Star Trek

[Vishniac]

Generations:  All but unwatchable

       

[Buster's Uncle]

I'm with Uno, there - I'll talk about it in detail soon, but I do hope you noticed the more generous tone I was taking to TNG, etc., on the last page, since you've complained in the past.

Actually, you've morally obligated yourself to do that review of Generations you've previously been a horrible tease about.  I'm gonna show you mine, Vish, and you shouldn't chicken out.  (Bockbock bock baBOCK! )

[Vishniac]

STAR TREK: GENERATIONS
was on TV tonight and despite all the things I have to do I chose to watch it again and come here posting.

A moving movie!
It's about youth and about old age. About time and what it means.
About the choices we made, what we've gained from them and what we had to let as we went ahead, and so it's also about regrets. It's about duty and its contingencies, having children or protecting those who have. About sadness and pride and hope.
The past and present and future and whether we accept them or not.
It's about passing the baton instead of keeping it forever.
Of course there is a Deus ex Machina at the end but, hey,  this is Star Trek.

What kind of man could hate this movie without hating all movies?

You'll have to do with that.

[Buster's Uncle]

No really; I think you're a man of principals and I hope when I've written up my analysis, I will not.

I want you to acknowledge that I've done better recently, too...

[Geo]

Just finished watching Star Trek: Borg on YouTube.

[Buster's Uncle]

Sure hope you feel like writing it up when work stops kicking your butt next week...

[Geo]

Writing it up?

[Buster's Uncle]

Writing about what you thought in a little detail, and what (and why) you liked or disliked in different parts.  What we were doing on the last page.

You enjoyed it, of course; it's rather good.

[Geo]

Well, I kinda like the movie "Next", and this one kinda follows in its tracks with all the retries and so on. I think the thing that got old quickest was the 'first person' camera angle all the time.
And the speed at which a 'borgified' crew member attained implants well away from a regular Borg 'outfit shop' was a bit over the top.

I do wonder, do all those 'regular' actors from the 'official' ST movies/series get a similar pay check for performing in these 'fanmade' productions?

[Mart]

Wasn't that a game, or interactive movie? Not really fan made, but made for franchise?

[Buster's Uncle]

Oh.  I'm stupid and thought Geo had watched First Contact and called it a silly name... 

Got a link to that YouTube vid, Geo?  I don't know whether I've seen that.

[Valka]

It's my understanding that any professional actor appearing in a fan film is paid something (since the union they belong to insists they be paid), but it's a substantially reduced fee. Fan films are not allowed to make a profit, so they can't do anything that would make them professional in the sense of competing with CBS or any other company licensed to produce Star Trek.

[Buster's Uncle]

I'm pretty sure nothing but scale would satisfy SAG - or some good pretext under which to work for free, but nothing in between.  Seriously doubt the pro names are getting their accustomed rate, mind, so we may be saying the same thing.

[Valka]

Some of the producers of these fan films post at TrekBBS so I don't have any reason to doubt their word about keeping these productions just on this side of nonprofit to satisfy the legal requirements of CBS while still satisfying whatever legal requirements there may be to pay SAG members for their participation. I don't think they're allowed to work for free, but there is some provision for productions that are not-for-profit.

[Buster's Uncle]

I check the TBBS Fan Productions subforum at length from time to time -I did about a month ago when the latest Continues was released- and I don't think we're all that far apart.  I do seem to recall that there are some (fairly stringent) conditions under which some free work is condoned; charities would be an easy example, and I'm not sure that something like a non-profit fan film would be completely out of bounds, necessarily.  Now, whether any of the fan productions meet such union requirements, I don't know; but I assume the issue of whether any pros have any interest in working for free renders the question moot.