Star Trek

[Buster's Uncle]

I'm aware of a few subtle hints that our leader likes Star Trek, at least fake Star Trek, and I know I LOVE the REAL Star Trek, so let's talk about it...



[EDIT:  I want to interject that I'm teasing my friend and forum co-owner for a page or two here, and I don't think I ever stated explicitly in this thread until today, nearly 3.5 years later, that I am a fan of TNG/DS9/Voyager/and even Enterprise who watched them all pretty much in full and enjoyed them and wished they were better - and that the original had flaws.  I have written professionally a little and acted professionally (if wildly underpaid semi-pro stuff) a fair amount, and I do have a high opinion of my own opinions, claiming extensive knowledge of the subject and what goes into making it work as I do - but I don't want to put fans of TNG-era ST off.  Love what you love, proclaim your love and engage me and the other fans courteously.  You're wanted here.

We love Star Trek, and want to talk about it.

AbramsTrek love will be treated with respect towards the member expressing, but your ideas will tend to need extremely vigorous and articulate defense, not least because you couldn't be wronger. ]

[sisko]

I'm aware of a few subtle hints that our leader likes Star Trek, at least fake Star Trek...

why fake?

[Buster's Uncle]

I'm just old-school with the Trek, and being nasty about it.

[Buster's Uncle]

I heard a rumor that you like the Commander/Captain from Star Trek: Babylon 5, but where's the evidence of that?

[sisko]

well, at that time, the national television in my country had no money to spend on some new Star Trek series so i had to watch the entire DS9 series on cable in Italian language. can you imagine Sisko "parlare l'italiano"? 

[sisko]

I heard a rumor that you like the Commander/Captain from Star Trek: Babylon 5, but where's the evidence of that?

you mean him?

[Buster's Uncle]

No, Bruce Boxleitner was actually good at playing a heroic lead character.  Avery Brooks is great at bad guys and anti-heroes, but they needed to have the balls to write Sisko dark, or cast someone who could play a convincing hero.

[sisko]

actually Bruce Boxleitner was the lead character in Babylon 5 (no connection AFAIK with Star Trek)
other than this, i think i don't get the full meaning of:

I heard a rumor that you like the Commander/Captain from Star Trek: Babylon 5, but where's the evidence of that?

and if you don't know Sisko's dark side, look at this picture:

[Buster's Uncle]

Sisko had a mirror problem to Kira - both were great ideas for characters that they miscast and/or handled poorly.  Nana Visitor, a very charming and apealing actress, was no good at dark, so they backed off on/failed to commit to her freedom fighter/terrorist past, disapointingly enough.  (Michelle Forbes as Ro Lauren would have been infinitely better.)  Avery Brooks is only good at dark, and they kept trying to write Sisko as a heroic good guy, failing to commit to the burned-out fellow he was supposed to be.

His finest moment was late in the run, when he was Dr. Noah in Bashir's holosuite Bond fantasy.  He was a very convincing supervillain.



The Babylon 5 reference was a cheap shot at DS9, is all.  Fivers always swore DS9 was a blatant rip-off; they HAD taken a pitch meeting with B5's creator/producer, JMS, prior to creating the show.

[Buster's Uncle]

-Also, here's a BA shot of a green Orion babe, 'cause who doesn't want to see that?

[sisko]

well, as much as i enjoied watching the series the first time (i think it was i my highschool years), i couldn't pass the fourth episode on the second attempt, that was last year.
i guess i'm not watching it with the same eyes.

[Buster's Uncle]

Are we talking about real Star Trek, DS9, or B5 now?

[sisko]

DS9 of course.

[Buster's Uncle]

It holds up to re-watching better than B5;  that, I liked a lot the first time, but can't get interested once I know how it'll end.  Good show, but written with all the subtlety of a 12 year-old with a sledgehammer.  DS9, I never liked as much the first time, but reruns hold up a lot better - it's just a more nuanced show.

(It was monolithic bullcrap how they ruined Bashir, though.  The fellow in the early seasons couldn't possibly have let himself get beaten up, and withheld his mental talents from near-death touch-and-go situations, so many times just to keep his secret.  I call shenanigans on that.)

[Zoid]

It holds up to re-watching better than B5;  that, I liked a lot the first time, but can't get interested once I know how it'll end.  Good show, but written with all the subtlety of a 12 year-old with a sledgehammer. 

Hey!! B5 is the greatest Sci-fi series ever written! Well, after Doctor Who of course...