Star Trek

[Unorthodox]

Sylar was just pissed ALL THE TIME.  And it was WRITTEN that way.  Can't fault the actor. 

Tuvock...I'd have to rewatch that.  (unlikely)  I thought he was one of the better parts of that show. 

[Buster's Uncle]

Disagree.

Still the same basic personality, if you can stand to watch some Voyager...

[Unorthodox]

Have you seen the latest movie?  Do I even want to redbox it?

[BlaneckW]

Have you seen the latest movie?  Do I even want to redbox it?

If you are referring to "into darkness", it wasn't quite the blah action film like the one before.  I would compare the plot to that of a cold war film or something, more than Star Trek.  Khan is Afghanistan.  Lots of wordy 'virtuous' talk/conceptualization and plot symbolism along with it's action, to try and resemble star Trek morality play or something.  If you want that, then get it.  Heck, it was better than Quantum of Solace...

[Buster's Uncle]

Haven't seen it, don't want to, and hate that thing that happened in New York slimeing my escapist fantasies.  I wish they'd stop that.

[BlaneckW]

I think they are trying to sell movies, but the second film redeemed somewhat what they are doing with the license.

[Buster's Uncle]

hate that thing that happened in New York slimeing my escapist fantasies.  I wish they'd stop that.

Passionately.

[BlaneckW]

hate that thing that happened in New York slimeing my escapist fantasies.  I wish they'd stop that.

Passionately.[/quote]
I found the affluence rather revolting.

[Buster's Uncle]

Beg pardon?

[BlaneckW]

Beg pardon?

The affluence of Star Trek, New York in into darkness.  I found it distasteful.

[Impaler]

Disagree.

Still the same basic personality, if you can stand to watch some Voyager...

By freakish coincidence when I was attending an Organic Gardening Fair in Asheville one day I was wearing my 'Many Moods of Spock' T-shirt (all the same picture, get it) and a Vendor saw in and started chatting with me about Trek, jumps to Voyager and the and then pointedly asks to what I though of the character Tuvok. 

I have to answer in all honest that Tuvok was (with the possible exception of Harry Kim) the most boringly written characters ever in Trek, he's ALWAYS in this narrow mold of being the 'pure' Vulcan and never gets to show any emotion and never has any growth as a character through the series.  In contrast Nelix and The-Doctor are radically different at the end of the series which puts them slightly above the morass which is Voyager.

Well it turns out the vendor is the brother of Tim Russ (the Actor who played Tuvok), feeling a bit embarrassed now that I've kind of trashed his brother I assure him that it's the fault of the writers and Rick Berman in particular (guys named Rick screw up everything, see Microsoft).  Also the vendor was selling some fufu mango-sunscreen lotion stuff, which in hind sight might have been a good buy as we did end up getting sunburn when working in the garden.

[Unorthodox]

See, I think the biggest 'problem' with Tuvok was that he was never given a foil.  Spock wouldn't have been SPOCK without McCoy.  Tuvok had nothing, save some irregular banter with Neelix later in the series.   

No, Chakotay easily takes the prize for worst Voyager character.  HOW the hell does the Chakotay of episode 1, badass hardcore Maquis terrorist/idealist with serious issues against the federation suddenly become this ideal by the book starfleet second in command by the end of the second episode?  WHAT the sam hell kind of crap was that?  And he just DISAPPEARS after that... except for the EMBARRASSING episode on Native American spirits. 

[Buster's Uncle]

As someone said of Voyager on TrekBBS a few months ago, Voyager was all about missed opportunities...

I may have a lot more to say when I wake up...

[Impaler]

Well if your judging my missed opportunity in the characters basic premise, then yes Chakotay takes the cake in the sense that what should have been a 7 year transition from Maqui rebel to a prim and proper Star-fleet Officer took place in 7 minutes, after which their was nothing left to develop, the other 'rebellious' characters in the crew Paris and B'Elanna at least took a while to really fall in line.

But contrast that with Harry Kim, a character with absolutely NO dramatic potential right from the get go, he was always going to just be the competent yet self-doubting, shy yet friendly stereotypical Asian male.  For me he is absolutely the worst character in Voyager because he literally fades into the background, can you honestly name anything he ever DID, not just done TOO him, something he actually did that was pivotal to the plot.

[BlaneckW]

Oh who really wants to be a rebel anyway.  The maqui are only rebels because they want to kick the cardassians out.  I find it more surprising that everyone buys into the whole get-all-the-way-back-to-earth thing.  I certainly wouldn't.  If we aren't being racist, there are plenty of species to throw your lot in with - like the borg.