Star Trek

[Buster's Uncle]

Right.  Too much math, but all that Golden Mean stuff was interesting.

[Buster's Uncle]

Custom ST figurines at a low, low price.

http://cubify.com/en/Store/StarTrek

If you think $70 for a little statue is low.  -I suspect the creation process will make an amusing custom photo, if anyone wants to try it and not finish...

[Geo]

Can we expect a change of avatar from you?

[Buster's Uncle]

Naw.  I tried it, and no pic - possibly, it displays if you sign up, but if I wanted to put a hippy head on a picture of Captain Kirk, I don't need them to do it.

[Buster's Uncle]

Fake Star Trek as The Love Boat

...I wish I had the foggiest about why video embedding works some days and not others.  It would have been funnier that way, and someone might have actually watched it...

[Unorthodox]

Star Trek as The Love Boat

[Unorthodox]

...I wish I had the foggiest about why video embedding works some day and not others.  It would have been funnier that way, and someone might have actually watched it...

I think I riddled it out one day, the forum don't like the https version of the videos.  Just cut the S and it autoembeds. 

[Buster's Uncle]

Let's try an edit...

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Uno sir, you da MAN!

   

[Impaler]

Love the guest list their, but I think they missed Doctor#4

I've always been a big Fan of Trek, but for me TNG is home, it was the series I watched in my formative years. 

Original series I saw only intermittently years later and while I certainly like it their is just so much less material that actually got shown as they only show the best most famous episodes like Balance of Terror or the Gorn episode, absolute classics but it hardly feels like a series, more like movies in a sense.

DS9 was also damn good and got better as it progressed, the writers had just enough darkness to satisfy the modern audience without going into the over-the-top masochist extremes that become the norm in the early 2000's.  It was Rodenbery's idealistic universe grappling with darkness, rather then being over-run by darkness, their morality fraying at the edges but the core was preserved.  This was just indicative of better writing then a all bright or all dark story.  I always felt their should have been a DS9 movie, particularly to resolve some of their final episode cliffhangers.

Voyager and the brief Enterprise thing were both abysmal primarily due to bad writing and character development, every Voyager character was made of wood, 7-of-Hawtness was a rather shameless addition for sex-appeal (which is neither here nor their) but then SHE was written even more woodenly then the rest of the cast.  The Enterprise series was centered around the Archer/T'Pol antagonism/respect relationship which while OK could not compensate for the wooden crew, nor could it be sustained for more then about 2 seasons, new dynamics were necessary to carry things forward.  Also the writers consistently resorted to techno-deus-ex-machina to resolve the plot by having the crew suddenly 'invent' a familiar TOS tech, this consistently betrayed the whole premise of the series as being set long before TOS in which the crew would not have these tech marvels, they did this in the series PREMIER for gods sake!

[Buster's Uncle]

Seven of Vulcan was, by far, -and I mean hands-down- the most horrific creative mistake they made with Enterprise.  It was just too plain what contempt they had for their audience.  And you are correct that she was, all of them were, written woodenly.  I would, however, point out that she eased up on the Jeri Ryan imitation in her performance as the series wore on, and got easier to take.  Scott Bakula was never wooden in his performance, even though the writing of Archer was; he and whoever played Trip were a couple of charismatic trooper turd-polishers.

I have nothing positive to say about the writing of the first three seasons - but I wish Manny Coto had been in charge from the beginning; that last season had its moments, and was a quantum leap better.

[Valka]

I always felt their should have been a DS9 movie, particularly to resolve some of their final episode cliffhangers.

Interesting. There's a current ongoing thread at TrekBBS on this very topic, and a couple of the arguments are centered on how well-known DS9 was/is in popular culture, along with "Is Nana Visitor too old to play Kira Nerys in a movie"?


I couldn't disagree with both of you more about Seven of Nine. She's my favorite Voyager character.

[Buster's Uncle]

[shrugs] Without Kes, there was nobody likeable left on that show, so why not the stripper wrapped in duct tape?

[Valka]

Yeah, well, I was GLAD when Kes was written off. I found her ungodly boring and not very likeable.

One measure of how good a show or character is, is whether or not you seek out fanfic about that show/character.

There are at least a dozen stories/series I'm following on fanfiction.net about Seven of Nine, as well as a damn good series of stories about Tom Paris (post-Endgame). I am reading/following exactly ZERO stories about Kes.

[Buster's Uncle]

I disagree: that's only a sign of how much a character gives nerdz the horn.

[Impaler]

I always felt their should have been a DS9
I couldn't disagree with both of you more about Seven of Nine. She's my favorite Voyager character.

Well their has always been a character 'searching for their humanity' in every series, from Spock, Data, Odo, Seven and T'Pol (though you might argue T'Pol is searching for an understanding of humanity rather then her own).  So I don't object to that premise, again it just comes down to bad writing, everyone on Voyager is badly written Seven included, is she the worst, no not by a long shot.  I think Harry Kim takes the cake on that one.  (Yes even worse then Kes, you actually REMEMBER Kes, you literally forget Kim even exists)

Buster:  I agree Bakula acting skill was good and he used that to compensate for bad writing, the rest of the cast was far weaker and could not compensate.  I think the writers even knew this on some level and the Archer character ended up shouldering a disproportionate share of the whole series compared to TNG which did a good job of spreading out the material among the whole cast and developing all the characters fully.  The wooden-crew syndrome was self-reinforcing, weak actors get lower quality writing and less screen time, leading to weaker character development and poorer writing in a downward spiral.  The Captain character alone can not sustain a Series for more then 1-2 years, a series lifespan is directly proportional to how many compelling characters it can develop, in TNG & DS9 it was the whole cast, in Voyager (in my opinion) no one and in Enterprise just 2.