Star Trek

[Lorizael]

If you're going to draw a dividing line, I think the most sensible place is pre- and post-Roddenberry.

[bvanevery]

I couldn't get into DS9.  There's something weird about Sisko, the lead character.  I don't know if it's how he's written, how he's acted, or both.  I don't get what he's on about or why he is the way he is.  Edgy without purpose?

I think I had other objections to DS9, the few times I've tried it.  But it's been awhile and I can't put my finger on it, without sitting down to try again.  Which I'm not gonna do, anytime soon.  There's a lot of competing TV out there.

I like Voyager.  I haven't managed to complete it.  Probably have seen half of it.  I only fully completed TNG during the pandemic.  That was a big watch, and left me somewhat Trek burned out.  Was gearing up for finishing Voyager when the streaming licensing changed.  I'm guessing CBS took everything behind their paywall.  You could still get episodes here and there through BBC America, but that's appointment television and I'm not doing that anymore.

Enterprise is ok, not the best not the worst.  Passable, has some merits.  Don't expect me to instantly enumerate what those are lol.  That documentary series I saw, was this the show that had like 4 different writers on it or something?  Like basically turning it into 4 different shows.  Or was that DS9?  I forget.

I've already enumerated my contempt for J.J. Abrams style Trek.  The sad thing is, they actually did a good job casting it.  The actors really cared about their Trek.  They were just wasted on stupid action stories.  I'd really had it when Spock was playing a Donkey Kong platformer game on some shuttle above the city.  Spock was good at plenty of things, like strength, mind powers etc., but he was never some action superhero!  Totally ridiculous and illogical.  He should have easily plummeted to his death.

[Buster's Uncle]

If you're going to draw a dividing line, I think the most sensible place is pre- and post-Roddenberry.

That leaves in all the 6 movies and the first season of TNG.

Your suggestion is logical until you watch In Search of Spock through S1 TNG - all dreck, and it's MY headcanon.

Gene wouldn't want me even including Wrath, at that.

[Buster's Uncle]

And Sisko?  I've said many years ago in this here very thread, that Avery Brooks was miscast as a troubled hero - he's great as scary dudes and villains, a little weak at this.  Likewise, Nana Visitor, an attractive and charismatic performer, was wrong for a former revolutionary killer/terrorist w/ a considerable dark side.  Too wholesome and cuddly, and Michelle Forbes as Ro Lauren, for whom the part was created, would have been a LOT better.

These are the people who had to carry the show before the rest, miscast.



-Colm Meaney, on the other hand, is possibly the finest actor ever associated with anything called Star Trek.  Really.  Never a single false note ever.

-So come at me about that, bros...

[Geo]

-Colm Meaney, on the other hand, is possibly the finest actor ever associated with anything called Star Trek.  Really.  Never a single false note ever.

What do you expect, he's got that 'good ol' bloke' vibe radiating in spades.

[Buster's Uncle]

Yes.

[Buster's Uncle]

I mean, natural-seeming performance that fits the character is GOOD acting.  Meany's O'Brian is always that.  Mr. Nimoy was a few episodes working out Spock's character - Meany hit the ground running full speed.

[Buster's Uncle]

I should clarify that I'm well-aware that Rodenberry lost control of the movies after the first, and the timeline's a little confusing, what with Worf's grandpa Worf was in The Undiscovered Country, I believe well after Gene had been pushed out of TNG, too.

There's a million sad stories to tell about the studio politics involved in all that, and a lot of them don't reflect well on Roddenberry at all - he pulled some pretty savage moves that his lawyer, Richard Arnold, still gets blamed for.

It's just cleaner, ultimately, to stop at the last thing I really liked.

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Another attempt at a controversial thesis, related:
Disappointing TMP and Dire S.1 TNG were the last attempted Star Trek that really GOT the style and spirit and themes of Star Trek, w/o -alas- much of the Good Quality of the real show.

I will fight on that hill - be civil.

[Buster's Uncle]

-Strange New Worlds and, for that matter, Lower Decks, don't count, remember - I ain't seen them, can't much discuss, and nothing since 1982 really happened.


-That way, my suffering -profound- on pages 102-104 of this thread watching/live-blogging Nemesis for the first and only time never happened...