Am not.
I just think the pod race was loud and dumb and - I take that back, come to think of it; he'll probably have at least two.
Show me where I've demonstrated bitterness about Star Wars other than Revenge of the Jedi then.
If I didn't know better, I'd accuse you of being very young. Loud and dumb, I say - did little to advance the plot.
Don't worry, Lucas is character writer, and LucasFilm is co-production. He's still in dangerous positions.
My prediction is they'll be as screwed up as I-III.
Don't worry, Lucas is character writer, and LucasFilm is co-production. He's still in dangerous positions.
My prediction is they'll be as screwed up as I-III.
Maybe we will get lucky and Jar-Jar comes back!
Don't worry, Lucas is character writer, and LucasFilm is co-production. He's still in dangerous positions.
My prediction is they'll be as screwed up as I-III.
Maybe we will get lucky and Jar-Jar comes back!
I doubt it would be Jar-Jar, but we could have Jar-Jar's son. Put him as star of the movie, and sure fire box office mega-hit!
Here's a better spin. Jar Jar joins the dark side, Yoda steals his son away, gives him to some farmer on a secluded planet. The boy finds he's strong in the force, enters training with Yoda, confronts his father and loses. Then in a big battle between Jar Jar's forces and the Republic (complete with Republic squid character pulling the entire series punchline of "It's a TRAP!"), Jar Jar and his son once again face off in front of the new Sith Lord. The Sith Lord starts whacking around Jar Jar's son, and when he's almost dead Jar Jar picks up the new Sith Lord and dumps him into the starship core killing him. Jar Jar dies, but not before repenting and everyone lives happily ever after!
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A Rumor, This Is: Disney planning ‘Star Wars’ spinoff film centering on Yodahttp://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/rumor-disney-planning-star-wars-spinoff-film-centering-165457169.html (http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/rumor-disney-planning-star-wars-spinoff-film-centering-165457169.html)
By Bryan Enk | Movie Talk – 2 hours 14 minutes ago...
"Yoda: Jedi Master" has a nice ring to it, doesn't it? Or maybe just "The Jedi Master."
Well, before it can have a title, it has to actually exist, and for now a stand-alone "Star Wars" film that puts the powerful pint-sized denizen of Dagobah front and center is just the latest rumor to come out of a galaxy far, far away (well, not that far anymore -- it's now at Disneyland, after all).
Ain't It Cool News brings word that Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy might be doing a lot more than just having secret meetings with J.J. Abrams as she's apparently in the early stages of what Disney does best: milking a brand for all it's worth. Sure, Abrams is going to be directing "Episode VII," but there's more than just a new "Star Wars" trilogy in store -- we might be getting a bunch of spinoff films as well, and if Zack Snyder's rumored (and since denied) Jedi-centric riff based on Akira Kurosawa's "Seven Samurai" isn't going to be the first one out of the gate, then maybe a Yoda movie will be.
The project is said to be in active development, though of course there are no plot details to speak of (our guess would be it's an origin story -- actually, how about "Begin, Yoda Shall" as a title?). Kennedy apparently has a whole slate of spinoff films in the works, including one focusing on Jabba the Hutt (potentially the "Goodfellas" of the "Star Wars" universe?) that was apparently pitched by George Lucas himself. And let's not forget that Joe Johnston, who's in good with Disney after directing Marvel's "Captain America: The First Avenger," once expressed his desire to call the shots on a movie featuring everyone's favorite bounty hunter, Boba Fett. Disney and Lucasfilm have not returned our calls for comment.
One bit of info that could lead credence to the rumor: Lawrence Kasdan, the screenwriter of "The Empire Strikes Back" where Yoda made his first on-screen appearance, has signed on to write one of the new "Star Wars" films. And according to a report in The Hollywood Reporter, he may be writing a stand-alone movie for a side character, rather than "Episode VIII" or "IX."
Let's not get too carried away, though ... and hope that Disney doesn't, either. "Star Wars" is not "The Avengers." Making a bunch of spinoff movies along with a new trilogy could very well make the Death Star explode before it's fully operational. Maybe it's best to see how it goes with "Episode VII" and evaluate from there, guys? We know you're excited about your new playset but you don't want to wear it out when it's still barely out of the box.
Anyway, we might be recommending caution in dealing with a potential danger that doesn't even exist in the first place. Again, for now, chalk all this up as yet another "Star Wars" rumor ... and know that it certainly won't be the last.
One time, two of my old gamer buddies back in the peak of my pencil and paper gaming days tried to round me up to run a short Star Wars d20 campaign set in Phantom Menace age. One played a Sith Gungan, the other a Sith Wookie.Oh lordie. Now you have me wondering what a Sith Hutt would look like.
One time, two of my old gamer buddies back in the peak of my pencil and paper gaming days tried to round me up to run a short Star Wars d20 campaign set in Phantom Menace age. One played a Sith Gungan, the other a Sith Wookie.Oh lordie. Now you have me wondering what a Sith Hutt would look like.
EDIT: But now that JJ Abrams is taking the helm, it makes me genuinely wonder what a Hollywood Star Trek/Wars crossover would look like. And no, I'm not advocating for one...but it's not outside the realm of possibility.
Fisher to Reprise Princess Leia in New 'Star Wars'http://tv.yahoo.com/news/fisher-reprise-princess-leia-star-wars-011500742.html (http://tv.yahoo.com/news/fisher-reprise-princess-leia-star-wars-011500742.html)
By Krista Wick | ET Online – 16 hours ago.. .
Not long after Luke Skywalker himself (Mark Hamill) revealed to ET that he was in talks to join the upcoming Star Wars: Episode VII cast, Carrie Fisher has confirmed she will indeed dust off the gold bikini, so to speak, and reprise her role as Princess Leia.
When asked point blank by The Palm Beach Illustrated whether Luke's sister would return for the much-anticipated J.J. Abrams-directed sequel, Fisher said "yes," but warns that filmgoers should not expect a sexy return from the screen icon.
"She's in an intergalactic old folks' home," imagines Fisher of her "elderly" reprisal in Episode 7. "I just think she would be just like she was before, only slower and less inclined to be up for the big battle."
Maybe we will get lucky and Jar-Jar comes back!
Harrison Ford On Star Wars Return: 'I Think It's Happening'http://omg.yahoo.com/news/harrison-ford-star-wars-return-think-happening-212035067.html (http://omg.yahoo.com/news/harrison-ford-star-wars-return-think-happening-212035067.html)
Access Hollywood – Wed, Mar 20, 2013 2:20 PM PDT...
Dust off the Millennium Falcon - Han Solo might be back for the new "Star Wars" film after all!
Amid constant speculation about whether the franchise's original big three - Harrison Ford, Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher - would return for the upcoming seventh big screen installment (directed by [hack]), Ford seemed willing to throw fuel on the fire this week, when he was asked if the old gang was getting back together.
"I think it's almost true. I'm looking forward to it," Ford told WGN9 News, after being asked if the original "Star Wars" actors would make an appearance in the new film.
"It's not in the bag yet, but I think it's happening," he added.
Casting rumors began to fly back in February, when the Latino Review claimed the now-70-year-old Ford would, in fact, reprise his iconic role.
Next came a quip from the original Princess Leia (Fisher) about her return to the franchise, who after saying she would be back, joked that she envisioned Leia "in an intergalactic old folks' home."
Disney has yet to comment on any of the casting rumors.
"Star Wars: Episode VII" has a tentative release date of 2015.
New 'Star Wars: Episode VII' to be filmed in Englandhttp://omg.yahoo.com/news/star-wars-episode-vii-filmed-england-234910869.html (http://omg.yahoo.com/news/star-wars-episode-vii-filmed-england-234910869.html)
Reuters – 19 hours ago...
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Filming of the new "Star Wars" movie will take place in England, returning the franchise to its British roots, Disney's Lucasfilm said on Friday.
"We've devoted serious time and attention to revisiting the origins of 'Star Wars' as inspiration for our process on the new movie, and I'm thrilled that returning to the UK for production and utilizing the incredible talent there can be a part of that," Kathleen Kennedy, Lucasfilm president, said in a statement.
The six previous "Star Wars" films were all partly filmed in the UK at famed studios including Pinewood, Elstree and Shepperton.
Disney announced three new "Star Wars" films in October 2012, when it purchased George Lucas' Lucasfilm company for $4.05 billion.
The news was welcomed by the British finance minister, George Osborne, who tweeted on Friday: "Great news for our creative industries. May the force be with us."
"Star Wars: Episode VII" will be made by director [[jerk, sphincter] hack], and will further boost the British film industry that has been regenerated by the popular James Bond and Harry Potter film franchises.
The "Star Wars" franchise has grossed more than $4.4 billion at the worldwide box office since the first film was released in 1977.
"Star Wars: Episode VII' is scheduled to be released in 2015.
Luke's Change: an Inside Job (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dvv-Yib1Xg#ws)
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As for Star Wars... as far as I'm concerned, there's not much point in continuing the movies, plot-wise. All the Evil Bad Guys are dead
, Yoda's dead, our Original Heroes should be raising their children/grandchildren, Luke should be training more Jedi...
I don't read the novels, so I don't have a clue what the writers had happening after Return of the Jedi. And if JJ Abrams is making any decisions, I don't want to know.
Yeah, there's a power vacuum. But honestly, to me the IV-VI movies make a complete story. I don't care what happened before, and unless at least one of the Luke/Leia/Han triumvirate is in the next movie, I really can't be bothered to care what happens next.
It's like the Dragonlance fantasy series, which was based on a series of AD&D modules: Dragons of Autumn Twilight makes a decent standalone book, the two sequels make a satisfying trilogy, and the rest of it is gravy and fans can take or leave whichever parts they want of the dozens more books and gaming modules that were published over the ensuing 25+ years.
I agree - the Twins trilogy is more adult-fare Dragonlance - Tika and Caramon having marital problems, Caramon suffering from depression, Raistlin fully committed to Takhisis and having further dark ambitions, the issue of good, evil, and moral grey areas with Crysania and the Priest King of Istar...Quote from: ValkaIt's like the Dragonlance fantasy series, which was based on a series of AD&D modules: Dragons of Autumn Twilight makes a decent standalone book, the two sequels make a satisfying trilogy, and the rest of it is gravy and fans can take or leave whichever parts they want of the dozens more books and gaming modules that were published over the ensuing 25+ years.
See, I think it would be a disservice to not read the Twins trilogy there. Outside of those core books it gets really wildly varying, with the only other book I cared for being Legend of Huma.
it was always Anakin/Vader's story.Bullcrap. In the '70s, Lucas was telling interviewers it was about the life of Luke - he was to get born by the end of the first movie, die in his fifties in the 12th. The
it was always Anakin/Vader's story.Bullcrap. In the '70s, Lucas was telling interviewers it was about the life of Luke - he was to get born by the end of the first movie, die in his fifties in the 12th. Thelierevision you're credulously regurgitating this time goes back to around the time Sith came out.
Dude, you're so much better than believing everything anyone at Lucasfilm shovels.
Ford, Fisher, Hamill join newcomers in 'Star Wars' castMax Von Sydow is the best possible news, aside from if Jar Jar Abrams went away. Von Sydow will polish the turd they hand him until it shines, no matter what the part.
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Disney announced the cast of "Star Wars: Episode VII" on April 29. The list includes the original Luke, Leia and Han as well as a few new faces. Here, director J.J. Abrams, center, meets with the cast, including Adam Driver, Oscar Isaac, Andy Serkis, Domhnall Gleeson, Max von Sydow, John Boyega, Daisy Ridley, Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, Mark Hamill, Anthony Daniels, Peter Mayhew and Kenny Baker.
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Adam Driver, perhaps best known for his part on HBO's "Girls," will be joining the cast.
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The cast will include Oscar Isaac, who starred in last fall's "Inside Llewyn Davis" alongside Driver.
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Andy Serkis is perhaps best known for his motion-capture characters: Gollum in "The Lord of the Rings" and "Hobbit" movies and Caeser the ape in the recent "Planet of the Apes" movies.
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Irish actor Domhnall Gleeson previously appeared as Bill Weasley in the final two "Harry Potter" films.
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The cast will also include veteran actor Max von Sydow, who was nominated for an Oscar in 2012 for "Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close."
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British actor John Boyega has already battled aliens in the 2011 film "Attack the Block."
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Daisy Ridley is a relatively unknown actress. She has only seven credits on her IMDB profile. She's probably about to get a lot more famous.
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Favorites from the original trilogy will also be a part of the new sequels, including Han Solo himself, Harrison Ford.
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Carrie Fisher will be back as Princess Leia.
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Mark Hamill will reprise his role as Luke Skywalker.
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Anthony Daniels has played droid C-3PO in all six "Star Wars" movies so far and will be back for another.
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C-3PO's constant companion, R2-D2 will be in the sequel, played by original actor Kenny Baker.
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Peter Mayhew will return as the furry wookiee, Chewbacca.
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Disney announced the cast of "Star Wars: Episode VII" on April 29. The list includes the original Luke, Leia and Han as well as a few new faces. Here, director J.J. Abrams, center, meets with the cast, including Adam Driver, Oscar Isaac, Andy Serkis, Domhnall Gleeson, Max von Sydow, John Boyega, Daisy Ridley, Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, Mark Hamill, Anthony Daniels, Peter Mayhew and Kenny Baker.(Photo: Lucasfilm)
Han, Luke and Leia are back, and they're bringing company.
Original Star Wars stars Harrison Ford, Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher officially returned to George Lucas' galaxy far, far away with an official announcement from Lucasfilm and Disney on Tuesday.
The three actors, plus returning actors Peter Mayhew, Anthony Daniels and Kenny Baker, are part of the large cast of the upcoming Star Wars: Episode VII movie, which will also feature John Boyega (Attack the Block), relative newcomer Daisy Ridley, Adam Driver (Girls), Oscar Isaac (Inside Llewyn Davis), Andy Serkis, Domhnall Gleeson (About Time) and Max von Sydow. They begin filming in London next month.
"We are so excited to finally share the cast of Star Wars: Episode VII," says director J.J. Abrams. "It is both thrilling and surreal to watch the beloved original cast and these brilliant new performers come together to bring this world to life, once again. We start shooting in a couple of weeks, and everyone is doing their best to make the fans proud."
Ford, Hamill and Fisher have been rumored to reprise their roles as lovable rogue Han Solo, Jedi master Luke Skywalker and Princess Leia, respectively, for a while now, and presumably Daniels and Baker are returning as droids C-3PO and R2D2 (who were also a part of the prequel trilogy) and Mayhew as Chewbacca.
John Williams will also be returning as the Episode VII composer, filling the same musical role he's had since 1977's original Star Wars.
Reports have mentioned Driver as a possible villain in the new movie, and von Sydow — who played tyrannical Ming the Merciless in the 1980 Flash Gordon movie — may be joining him. Also of note: After being a part of The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit movies, Serkis joins yet another geek-loved franchise.
Abrams and Lawrence Kasdan wrote the screenplay for Episode VII, which is being produced by Abrams, Kathleen Kennedy and Bryan Burk and is slated to hit theaters Dec. 18, 2015.
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The Star Wars Expanded Universe is Dead, Long Live the Star Wars Expanded Universe
The Mary Sue
by April Daniels | 12:30 pm, May 2nd, 2014
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So Disney has decided that they’re going to nuke most of the previously established Star Wars canon. I think this is as good a reason as any to finally bury the destructive concept of canon in fictional works. Note that this does not mean that I am against stories in continuity with each other, that’s not my position at all. I love continuity, and the story options that it enables. But even as I enjoy continuity, I don’t see why we should be judging stories as more or less significant than another on any basis but their merits. And that’s all canon does, it arbitrarily privileges some continuities over others. Why should we recognize that kind of a distinction? Why should we give a soulless corporate entity that kind of power over our culture? Because that’s what we’re really talking about here.
Canon is, at its root, only a way to designate this story as more important than that story, more significant, more “true.” The term canon, as applied to fictional works, initially came about as a manner to draw a distinction between the Sherlock Holmes stories written by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, and fan works that used the same characters. It was initially more or less a joke, a way of reifying and exaggerating the importance of Doyle’s work when compared to his imitators.
But since that initial, half-in-jest start to the concept, it has gained an almost unholy amount of power. People started believing in this, as if it somehow mattered. Arguments about canon have become one of the great plagues of fandom, a billowing swarm of cognitive locusts that threatens to swoop in and strip any conversation of fun at any time. Canon means that if someone writes a story in your favorite setting that you don’t like, and they have the mojo to get it declared canon by the mystic copyright fairies in the sky, that now they haven’t just told a story that you don’t like, they have defaced your childhood. And when that happens, especially to long running properties, the consequences can be dire once someone with a grudge gets in the writer’s seat.
Spider-Man used to be a good comic, but then the Clone Saga kneecapped it, and it’s never recovered. For the next twenty years, Spider-Man lurched from half-baked story to the next as different writers and editors fought a decades-long battle about what deserved to be canon in Spider-Man. At one point we found out his origin story wasn’t true, and he was actually possessed by a mystical spider ghost. Then there was the time he made a literal deal with the devil just so that the writer at the time could give a big middle finger to the parts of Spidey canon that he didn’t like. So now the Spider-Man comics are a wasteland, the narrative equivalent of a landscape the day after a nuclear war. The most interesting Spider-Man stories of the past 20 years have been the ones that happened after Peter Parker was dead.
And it doesn’t necessarily hurt just a single storyline, or set of characters. It can corrode and disrupt entire companies. Witness the slow, lingering demise of DC Comics: death by canon misfire. The New 52 has been a catastrophe, a wholly unneeded self-inflicted wound premised entirely on the notion of designating one continuity to be more important than another. They had to kill the old setting so that the new one could be canon, because like the Highlanders there can be only one, so why not have a petty, destructive fight to the death, no matter how much carnage that leaves strewn across our cultural landscape? (And of course, predictably, DC began chickening out almost immediately and started seeding escape hatches to let them bring things from the old canon back into play. All this work and stress to satisfy the canon fairies. It seems a waste.)
So now Episode II‘s “I don’t like sand” speech is canon, but Bastila’s fall to the Dark Side isn’t. Disney would have us believe that this means Anikin’s whining is more important than the actually touching and painful story in KOTOR. I’m sure Disney has all sorts of compelling financial interests in making such a stupid proclamation. I’m less clear about why any of us would care about their opinion on the matter.
No, really: why the hell do we care what Disney thinks about this? They don’t own Star Wars. We own Star Wars. They just hold the licences.
Go back, way back to the folklore and mythology that modern pop culture is descended from, and you’ll find stories of gods and monsters and heroes that simply don’t care about which one of them is “more true” than the others. Take Lilith, for example. In some tellings, she is the incarnation of sensual femininity. In others, she’s a bird-footed demon. In still others, she’s a hairy, intersex deity.
There are more modern examples of stories and settings which benefit from a disregard for canon. Neon Genesis Evangelion basically gave up on the concept of canon when they did End of Evangelion. The new movies they’re making to retell the whole series are a big, fancy gravestone to the idea that there is one way to view and understand that story. This gleeful disregard for which is the “real” telling of the tale hasn’t stopped it from being the most successful anime Gainax has ever produced.
Canon serves no narrative function. The cues and signals that creators can use to delineate one continuity from another are wholly unimportant to the actual quality of the stories contained within those continuities. What’s worse is that the modern concept of canon is almost entirely a tool of big business, used to privilege one of their product lines over the others, even as they make money on other, non-canon story-lines. Star Trek gave up on its 24th century setting years ago, but that hasn’t stopped the Star Trek tie-in books from continuing telling the story of, for example, Deep Space Nine long after the TV series stopped running. None of those works are canon, no, but the money from them still makes its way to Paramount.
So here we see how hollow canon has become: now it doesn’t even apply to all of the works created by whoever owns the copyright to the stories. When canon was created, it was a means to differentiate professional works from fanfic, but now, even work that isn’t fanfic, work that’s actually making money for the entities which hold the copyright, isn’t necessarily considered canon.
Please note: I have nothing against fanfic; I got my start writing in fanfic. But if canon at least had a function of distinguishing fanfic from professional work, then it might still be useful. But it doesn’t, and the fact that some (ignorant, blinkered, elitist) people deride tie-in fiction as “glorified fan fiction” kinda shows how arbitrary and meaningless the distinction of canon and non-canon can become when the ownership of copyright gets divorced from the actual people who created the stories in the first place.
So, so very much of our culture is now owned by corporate entities which consider them little more than assets to balance a ledger. To them, canon is only a tool that can be used to enhance one product line at the expense of another. It’s an absurd state of affairs to let someone else’s accountant tell us which stories we are supposed to pay more attention to.
This tragic farce has recently reached a crescendo with the story of L.J. Smith’s Vampire Diaries. L.J. Smith was a writer who hired by a company to do some work-for-hire writing to create a “Interview With a Vampire for Kids” series back in the early 90s. Then when the books blew up huge in the wake of Twilight’s success and they got a TV show, Smith and her publisher started having creative differences. Because it was a work for hire deal, the publisher owned the copyrights, and so they kicked her off of the series and brought in another to finish the series in her place. But then the publisher also cut a deal with Amazon to allow Amazon to sell licensed fanfic of the Vampire Diaries, so Smith started and selling novel-length fanfic of the series she created through Amazon’s Kindle store. Now many of the fans consider her fanfic to be the true continuation series, even though the copyright owners disagree. So which Vampire Diaries books are canon?
Answer: it doesn’t frakking matter. Fans continue to support both lines. Some say they’ll only read the stuff that Smith wrote, others don’t care either way. But the idea that one of the three Vampire Dairies continuities is the “true” one has been thoroughly discredited, and that’s a good thing. The fans will support whichever of the continuities they prefer, either because they have affection for the author, or because they like one more than the other, or maybe some of them will support all of them because they like all of them. That’s how it should be.
We should get rid of the concept of canon entirely, since all it does is give copyright holders (many of whom are immortal, inhuman entities which view us as nothing more than a resource to be exploited) a tool with which to exert control over our culture.
And it is our culture. We’re the ones who care about it, who find meaning in it. We’re the ones that give it life. We should be the ones who decide which parts of our culture we think are the most important. Not some boardroom where rich people decide what kinds of stories get privileged in our spaces. There’s a reason why fanon and headcanon are so popular these days; we’re getting sick of being told which fiction is “true” and which “false.” We’re getting sick of seeing the stories and characters we love being debased, spun off, re-branded, and mutilated.
This latest absurd declaration from Disney about what is and isn’t true in the Star Wars galaxy should be canon’s epitaph. Let it die. Let it all die. And when it’s gone, and we’ve danced around the pyre, let’s build something new in its place. Something better. Something we control.
I'm probably REALLY overthinking this, but was it ever even addressed when the troopers STOPPED being clones and became volunteers? (Luke was pestering his uncle about joining the academy at the start of episode 4)That's not that big an issue. Just let regular people sign up. Cloning is probably expensive anyway.
Report: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens teaser trailer comes this week (update)http://www.polygon.com/2014/11/24/7274573/star-wars-episode-vii-the-force-awakens-teaser-trailer (http://www.polygon.com/2014/11/24/7274573/star-wars-episode-vii-the-force-awakens-teaser-trailer)
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The highly anticipated teaser trailer for Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens will release later this week, according to sources close to Slash Film.
The upcoming teaser will reportedly be shown in a limited number of theaters during the Thanksgiving holiday weekend, with a limited number of theaters participating in a "preview" for the film.
Support for this claim has also appeared on Reddit, with one user stating a 90-second teaser trailer for the film will debut in 100 theaters across the U.S. next week. According to the source, participating theaters will show the teaser ahead of every film this holiday weekend, and at every showtime. Additionally, Disney's Big Hero 6, from the same studio as Star Wars, will be the first film shown at the earliest showtime as part of this deal.
As was previously reported, principal photography has been completed on the J.J. Abrams-directed movie, which is set to hit theaters Dec. 18, 2015. Filming began in May 2014. Episode VII is set approximately 30 years after the events of 1983's Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi.
The Force Awakens will feature numerous returning characters from the original Star Wars trilogy, including Luke Skywalker (Mark Hamill), Han Solo (Harrison Ford), Chewbacca (Peter Mayhew) and Princess Leia Organa (Carrie Fisher). Actors new to the series include Oscar Isaac, Andy Serkis, Adam Driver and Max von Sydow. John Williams will once again compose the score for the film.
Update: Regal has confirmed (http://www.polygon.com/2014/11/24/7275535/star-wars-the-force-awakens-heres-where-you-can-catch-the-trailer) the trailer hits on Friday, here's the list of where you can catch it.
Stupid name...Yeah. But whatever. I'll wait for the trailer.
You should. The Empire Strikes Back took us to all new places, and it was best of the lot. Revenge of the Jedi took us back to Tatooine, and it kinda sucked.I guess Empire Strikes Back did have higher production value. Or as other people say, the last movie was about furry midgets. I can't remember what they're called. Ewoks. That's not to say it might not be impossible to decently incorporate midgets. They're still less irritating than Jar Jar.
wandering around the wilds of Tatooine fits, too.Doesn't anyone have more purpose in life than to wander around in the desert? The Moses/Jesus thing gets old. Moses and the Jews weren't holed up in the wastes by choice.
Looks dangerous to the wielder, don't it?
I didn't read in the wiki that Luke retired to the desert (at least in the comic), and it wouldn't make any sense for him to. Obiwan would (I suppose) be there out of exile. But with the Empire on the backburner, Lucas would be in an involved role. If nothing else it would be at odds with his responsibilities as a spiritual leader (high Jedi).
I didn't read in the wiki that Luke retired to the desert (at least in the comic), and it wouldn't make any sense for him to. Obiwan would (I suppose) be there out of exile. But with the Empire on the backburner, Luke would be in an involved role. If nothing else it would be at odds with his responsibilities as a spiritual leader (high Jedi).Luke establishes the Academy on Tatooine, for all we know.
Luke establishes the Academy on Tatooine, for all we know.Nice try. Tatooine is a backwater.
Yes.It doesn't work like that.
So?
Why do you assume a dusty, dangerous, out-of-the-way hellhole is a bad place to train Jedi?Because even if you have the time and advisability to send advanced trainees there it would be too out of the way for a central base of operations, which is why the academy was on Coruscant in the prequels.
Hopefully, if there's any flaws in the film, they can fix it in the Lego version.This. watch TNG recut.
How about a rabbi with a light saber minora ?
Somebody on TrekBBS has an avatar of Han Solo wielding a menorah instead of a blaster.
'Star Wars' Stand-alone Movie to Star Felicity Jones (Exclusive)http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-stand-alone-movie-768582 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-stand-alone-movie-768582)
Chris Weitz was just hired to write the new draft.
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After a series of hush-hush readings and tests, Lucasfilm and Disney have zeroed in on Oscar-nominated actress Felicity Jones for the female lead in the Star Wars stand-alone film.
Jones is now in talks to star in the project, which Gareth Edwards is directing and Chris Weitz — who was just hired last week — is writing. Weitz is replacing Gary Whitta, who penned the first draft.
Actresses were meeting, reading and testing last week in Los Angeles for the role, with Tatiana Maslany and Rooney Mara among those in the mix.
The secrecy surrounding the project is thicker than the mists of Dagobah, and it is even unclear which character the stand-alone is focusing on. Sources say that Aaron Paul and Edgar Ramirez are on the interest list for the male lead.
Disney had no comment.
The movie has a release date of Dec. 16, 2016.
Jones is currently making the awards season rounds for The Theory of Everything, for which she snagged a best actress Oscar nomination for her portrayal of Jane Hawking, the first wife of physicist Stephen Hawking.
True Story, in which she stars with James Franco and Jonah Hill, just premiered at Sundance, and she is also shooting A Monster Calls, a family fantasy directed by J.A. Bayona that also stars Liam Neeson and Toby Kebbell.
She is repped WME.
I love that imperial cruiser in the background about 40 seconds in!
‘Star Wars: Episode VIII’ Gets Release Date; Spinoff Movie Called ‘Rogue One’http://variety.com/2015/film/news/star-wars-episode-viii-gets-release-date-spinoff-movie-called-rogue-one-1201451449/ (http://variety.com/2015/film/news/star-wars-episode-viii-gets-release-date-spinoff-movie-called-rogue-one-1201451449/)
New attractions at Disney parks to
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Disney and Lucasfilm have announced details of the upcoming “Stars Wars” films at its annual shareholders meeting in San Francisco.
Rian Johnson has also been confirmed to write and direct “Star Wars: Episode VIII,” which will hit theaters May 26, 2017.
Gareth Edwards’ upcoming standalone film, starring Felicity Jones, will be called “Rogue One.” The movie starts filming in London this summer and opens Dec. 16, 2016.
“Rogue One,” based on an idea by Oscar-winning vfx supervisor John Knoll, was written by “Cinderella” scribe Chris Weitz.
Kathleen Kennedy will produce the standalone film alongside Knoll, Tony To and John Schwartz.
Plot details of “Rogue One” are unknown.
Edwards’ spinoff movie is one of two known “Star Wars” spinoffs in the works at Lucasfilm and Disney. Director Josh Trank (“Chronicle”) is developing another top secret feature.
It’s unclear how both spinoff features will play into the upcoming seventh chapter “Star Wars: The Force Awakens,” if at all. Speculation has Edwards’ and Trank’s movies focusing on the early days of original characters Princess Leia and Han Solo.
The J.J. Abrams-directed “Force Awakens,” which opens Dec. 18, features original cast members Harrison Ford, Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher as well as newcomers like John Boyega and Adam Driver. It will take place 30 years after 1983’s “Return of the Jedi.”
Disney is banking heavily on the “Star Wars” franchise after acquiring Lucasfilm in 2012 for $4 billion. The studio is also planning “Star Wars”-themed attractions at Disney parks across the globe.
(and no brainer cash cow)QFT
'Star Wars' Anakin Skywalker Arrested After Crazy Car Chasehttp://www.tmz.com/2015/06/21/jake-lloyd-star-wars-anakin-skywalker-arrested-car-chase-south-carolina-jingle-all-the-way/ (http://www.tmz.com/2015/06/21/jake-lloyd-star-wars-anakin-skywalker-arrested-car-chase-south-carolina-jingle-all-the-way/)
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Jake Lloyd, the actor who played the young Anakin Skywalker in "Star Wars: The Phantom Menace," was arrested, TMZ has learned, after an insane car chase that ended when Jake plowed into some trees.
Cops say Lloyd was driving in Charleston, South Carolina, when Sheriff's deputies began pursuing him. The chase was underway and it went on for miles, into another county.
Deputies say Jake began passing cars on the double yellow line and began driving recklessly, at high speeds.
Cops say eventually Jake lost control of his car, which ran off the road, through a fence and into a wooded area where it struck several trees.
The 26-year-old who also starred in "Jingle All the Way" was arrested for reckless driving, failure to stop, resisting arrest and driving without a license.
He's currently in custody.
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I watch a lot of Uno posts about it. Me and Geo luvs the Uno Kerbal paostz.
I saw, UnO's got some big rockets...
Would be curious as to the learning curve of that game when I get a 'round tuit
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Does it occur to anyone else that he grew up to actually look more like Darth Skywalker should than the prettyboy they mistakenly used? Not the scowl and the sinister little whiskers, either, but hella-lot more like he could grow up to be Luke's dad, and, provided good grooming and a smile, potentially a FAR more convincing hero that Cristiansen's brooding punk?
&^%$#@! innerwebs ate the whole post while I was waiting for the second gallery pic to load in another tab.
People need to get their &^%$#@! page-coding skills in order, because this crap borks up my entire machine for five-ten minutes at a stroke sometimes. It's always the &^%$#@! ads doing it. I need to find a good adblock. Three &^%$#@! minute copy/paste job has taken 45 minutes so far. $#@!
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I'm in IE, and I'm pretty sure my sluggish machine isn't helping, but I don't think it's AC2. Spare me the browser snob speech, too; most people use IE, so I have to to see what they see here onsite.
... I mean, do you want Jaxxon Rabbit from the old Marvel Star Wars comics? Some stuff is kinda ridiculous in the EU.
I personally do not think that any thing they come out with will please everyone.
It looks like it will be a pretty decent movie. But, I can tell it has that JJ-ish vibe to it and not a Lucas vibe by looking at the effects.
As far as the EU, I really do not care about a lot of the novels and other print media that came out after RotJ and the prequels. I am gathering most mainstream geeks did not read them or maybe read one. Discarding them is a good idea. I mean, do you want Jaxxon Rabbit from the old Marvel Star Wars comics? Some stuff is kinda ridiculous in the EU.
Plus, if everyone already read the story, you end up with the one of the problems the prequels had. There was no tension because everyone already knew what happened.
LOS ANGELES – Marilyn Monroe and Freddy Krueger were trying not to look annoyed. But their mood was obvious on Monday afternoon as tourists paid little heed to the celebrity impersonators on Hollywood Boulevard, instead focusing their curiosity on more than 100 people camped out in the courtyard of the historic Chinese Theater.
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“We’re lining up for the new ‘Star Wars’ movie,” an Australian woman at the front of the queue, Caroline Ritter, told an incredulous-looking couple visiting from Ohio who stopped to inquire and take photos. “Yes, we still have a very long time to wait,” Ms. Ritter added. “No, we’re not crazy.”
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Coming-of-age ritual: Jude Wilson, 6, watching “Star Wars” for the first time with his father, Michael Wilson, at the K2imaging screening room in Brooklyn.
‘Star Wars’: A 6-Year-Old Fan Sees the Big Picture and AwakensDEC. 6, 2015
“Star Wars: The Force Awakens” will arrive at the TCL Chinese Theater Imax, as the site is now officially called, on the evening of Dec. 17 — meaning that Ms. Ritter and her fellow die-hards will have waited for 12 unwashed days before the first light sabers flicker to life. (They began to assemble here on Saturday afternoon.) The question, especially in the age of reserved movie theater seating, is why.
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Even with hundreds of opening-weekend show times for “The Force Awakens” already sold out, analysts predict there will be more than enough seating capacity on opening weekend. For instance, AMC Theaters, the second-largest multiplex chain in North America (behind Regal Entertainment), last week said that 1,600 opening-weekend screenings were sold out, but that 3.5 million tickets remained available. At least 36 AMC theaters will run “The Force Awakens” around the clock.
It’s just not like the old days, when movies were shipped on reels and people could buy tickets only at box office windows. Most theaters now sell tickets online — many offering reserved seating — and rely on digital projectors, which means the number of screenings can be more easily adjusted to meet demand.
But that’s missing the point, the “Star Wars” campers said Monday.
“At night you freeze and in the daytime you cook, but you come for the camaraderie and the chance to be a part of cinematic history,” said Erik Murillo, who was sitting in a lawn chair near two large plastic crates packed with supplies (clothes, food, a tent). “Besides, there are traditions to be upheld.”
The Chinese Theater holds a special place in the “Star Wars” pop culture galaxy. The first “Star Wars” movie was only booked into about 30 theaters in May 1977 in part because some executives at 20th Century Fox were skeptical of the film’s box office potential. Instead, swarms of people turned out; the throngs were especially large outside the Chinese, which has long been a symbol of Hollywood, helping to generate global news coverage.
Ever since then, particularly in 1999, with the arrival of “Star Wars: Episode I — The Phantom Menace,” camping out here became just another part of the pageantry that accompanies each “Star Wars” release. In 2005, in anticipation of “Star Wars: Episode III — Revenge of the Sith,” fans started lining up at the Chinese six weeks in advance. (As it turned out, however, Fox had not booked “Revenge of the Sith” into the Chinese, so they were waiting in line for nothing; whoops.)
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“We made sure not to make that mistake again,” said Stefanie Vance, who was in line here Monday with her daughter, Amanda.
Theaters everywhere have been preparing for similar lines, advising fans in advance that costumes are fine, but masks, face paint and space weapons are not. Extra security will be in place at some theaters to manage crowds.
Here at the Chinese, the line experience is all very civilized, insisted Ms. Vance, who was dozing near a sign that read, “The line awakens!” There are rules — tents must be erected by midnight and dismantled by 6 a.m. — and there is a system that allows people to leave for short periods while keeping their place in line; fans take turns managing a clipboard system for checking in and checking out.
Everyone wears a name badge, and some fans created a line-related website. They even have a charity partner, Starlight Children’s Foundation, which is focused on helping seriously ill children and teenagers. (Those gawking tourists are encouraged to contribute to the foundation by sending text messages; some give cash on the spot.)
There is rarely a dull moment, however, on Hollywood Boulevard, land of roaming costumed characters, colorful panhandlers and the occasional person trapped in an alternate mental dimension. “The other night, somebody dropped off two live rabbits and disappeared,” Mr. Murillo said. “What are we supposed to do with two live rabbits?” (City employees were called to deal with them.)
Despite their intense fandom, the people lined up outside the Chinese do seem to have their limits. When a reporter mentioned that a Texas-centered theater chain was holding an endurance contest involving a marathon screening of the previous six “Star Wars” movies (no sleeping allowed), Ms. Vance made a skeptical face.
“That sounds unpleasant,” she said.
Best: Kylo Ren is night and day better than Hayden's Vader at showing a young man falling to the dark side.
Worst: Practically no back story, you're just expected to go with it.
I didn't have a problem with this, except insofar as I would have liked a little more detail on the situation between the First Order, the New Republic, and the Resistance. I mean, we were thrown into the thick of things in ANH, and no one was bothered by that.
The worst for me was it trying to hit all the beats of the original. I think some of the comparisons are a little far-fetched (oh no there was desert in both movies!), but I agree with the overall complaint that after a while, you get tired of seeing the same general plot rehashed.
Maybe there's some backstory in the books, video games, and other related media that excuses them. But I'm not inclined to go digging.
Also: Han's little encounter on the bridge. Not cool, JJ. Not cool.Best part of the movie. Especially my 8 year old quipping "saw that coming" while half the adults were crying.
Yeah, my wife noted how odd it was that they hadn't upgraded their military technology in thirty years, despite now being an established government and not a bunch of poorly-funded insurgents.
It's kinda sad that (IIRC) Kylo Ren kills exactly two people in the whole movie, and both of them are unarmed old men who aren't fighting back.
He does eventually disable a force-blind guy who's handling a lightsaber for the second time in his life, after much effort.
Then gets beaten by a girl handling a lightsaber for the very first time, and who doesn't even remember to use the force until the fight's almost over.
The rest of the time he's taking out his anger on machinery, which isn't "evil" so much as "a persistent nuisance to the maintenance crew." Like a cat who won't stop clawing the furniture, only more so. One hopes they don't allow him near anything too vital, like life support or the hyperdrive.
They didn't just NOT UPGRADE, they took a step backward. Y Wings and X Wings were piles of junk in episode 4. They were mostly replaced by A Wings and B Wings by ROTJ.
That said, I understand the need to have the X wings as center stage, being the most iconic "Star Wars" visual, and I think there was some effort to make it appear they were upgraded X wings. But, the complete lack of capital ships and only a couple dozen X wings being all they could muster from the "rebels" who according to the opening crawl, are now "Backed by the republic" was a little too far. They COULD have easily explained a lot of this by having starkiller take out most of the fleet around one of the planets.
I couldn't say why I was reading in the first place, or why I didn't read more; it wasn't bad or anything, if not terribly interesting...
I think it was a Zahn SW novel that was the only one I ever read a bit of -something about a tall crimelord of a green-scaled species who had pheromones that made him attractive to humans- and I couldn't say why I was reading in the first place, or why I didn't read more; it wasn't bad or anything, if not terribly interesting...
the plot revolved around the green alien wanting to kill Luke (to spite Vader) and hump Leia (to hump Leia).;lol, BTW. -Joke nailed (presumably unlike Leia). ;b; ;leia
dumb 'splosionfests.Isn't that all SW was ever supposed to be, on some level?
Also, if nothing else, the OT had cool villains.
The only legitimately entertaining moments in Rogue One came at the very end, when Vader went on a rampage through the hallway and only got held up by the sheer number of corpses he was generating. Because Vader was cool.
The Emperor was cool, with his gravelly voice and sinister leer. Then came Darth Maul, who was fun to watch but had no personality
, and (sigh) "Count Dooku," who fences for some damn reason and also has no personality
General Grievous, who was a weird attempt to have Vader again but with TB.
Finally, we have "Kylo Ren," who had a boring character design, a silly weapon, and a whingy personality he apparently inherited from his grandfather. Blecch.
(I really don't find spoilers a problem, honestly).
Podracing, for example, had the potential to be an interesting riff, before they put in Jake Lloyd and daft attempts at comedy. Ben Hur with turbojets for horses--sure, it's dumb, but it's also kinda fun.
Why is he angry at his parents?
Podracing, for example, had the potential to be an interesting riff, before they put in Jake Lloyd and daft attempts at comedy. Ben Hur with turbojets for horses--sure, it's dumb, but it's also kinda fun.
I hated, hated, hated the !@#!@#!@#!! pod racing. I do not want to hear about !@#!@#!@!!!! Vader as a !@#!@#!!!!! kid. I'm not stupid, I was that kid when Star Wars came out. Star Wars is about Luke watching his uncle and aunt fried to a crisp outside of their desert igloo on Tatooine, not some !@#!@#!!!! goofy pod nonsense. We had landspeeders in the original and we don't need any !@!#!@!!@!@@@!!!!!! pods.
Why is he angry at his parents?
Do we really want to know, or care, about that? Frankly, we had to suffer it already in Ep. I..III, and I do not want to be subjected to that tripe again. "How he got there" presumably has something to do with wanting to get in some girl's pants, nasty sand people, and an evil teacher who seems real good. We spent 3 movies on it and "how someone slides down" does not bear repeating. They got this one right, to assume that in the intervening years "he's turned" and go from there. Spare us the indignity of the psycho babble!
"I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back home." The T-16 was a racing version of his landspeeder. (briefly seen when C3PO is hiding behind it after R2 runs off) Essentially a pod racer.
He even mentions to Biggs Darklighter the trench run would be just like Beggar's Canyon back home. The pod race HAPPENS in beggar's canyon.
Unfortunately, we don't get to see threading the space needle, which is how Luke beats Biggs in their race early in the radio drama (which also fried his power converters, and why he wanted to go looking for new ones later).
It DID make it into the radio drama, and I was that kid who memorized the damn radio drama.
"I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back home." The T-16 was a racing version of his landspeeder. (briefly seen when C3PO is hiding behind it after R2 runs off) Essentially a pod racer.
Noooo it is essentially a landspeeder. And bullseyeing womp rats means Luke is a redneck blowing away varmints from the back of his pickup truck. There's no (legal) weapons fire in a pod race.
And when in Episode IV is the T-16 declared to be a racing version of a landspeeder? I don't remember any discussion about that sort of thing.QuoteHe even mentions to Biggs Darklighter the trench run would be just like Beggar's Canyon back home. The pod race HAPPENS in beggar's canyon.
They recycled the reference. It doesn't mean that the concept even existed in the original movies IV..VI.QuoteUnfortunately, we don't get to see threading the space needle, which is how Luke beats Biggs in their race early in the radio drama (which also fried his power converters, and why he wanted to go looking for new ones later).
Now I'm given to wonder if a radio drama about pod racing was also retroed when Lucas started !@#$!@#@!!!! with Episode IV to bring it up to modern standards of glitz.QuoteIt DID make it into the radio drama, and I was that kid who memorized the damn radio drama.
Now I'm realizing what you mean by "radio drama" is something outside most of our experience of Star Wars. You aren't talking about overhearing something on a radio in the original film. You're talking about a fullblown radio dramatization of Star Wars.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_(radio) (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_(radio)) A lot of that stuff was not canon.
Now I'm finding out that people don't think a T-16 was a landspeeder at all. They think it was this light spacecraft, a "Skyhoppper". http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/T-16_skyhopper (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/T-16_skyhopper) I do remember Luke playing with something in his hand in the original movie, and also that toy being available. It was very confusing because I'm like WTF did this thing ever actually get used?
Anyways this thing is not a pod racer. It's a kind of atmospheric spaceship.
This was arguably needed to explain why Luke is such a good pilot (the X-wings are a T-64 by the same manufacturer).
One of those people happens to be George Lucas.
This was arguably needed to explain why Luke is such a good pilot (the X-wings are a T-64 by the same manufacturer).
Nah. Obi Wan said Luke's Dad was a good pilot.
Luke proves to be strong with the Force.
Really not a hard sell, he blows up the freakin' Death Star for Pete's sake.
Quite a bit harder than just flying a ship. Oh, and since I just watched Star Wars again, he also gets uppity with Han in the cantina about how he's not such a bad pilot himself, doesn't have to take this, etc.
I am severely disappointed that a "T-16" isn't some kind of souped up landspeeder. Really ruins my redneck image of Luke bullseyeing womp rats. I always assumed he just did it with a rifle out of his cab. The idea being, you can hit something small and at high speed manually, it's not impossible.
QuoteOne of those people happens to be George Lucas.
But in many ways he sucks, so.... I wish all the prequels never happened. I object an order of magnitude more strongly to the 1st, but they are all bad. I'm happy to the extent that Disney stylistically sweeps them under the rug and forgets them. I've been waiting for someone to redo this material properly.
Mr. Lucas brought us Star Wars, for that I am thankful.
Piloting is not genetic.
Force does not a great pilot make by every measure we've had since. Nor is it required to be a good pilot.
Which is bad storytelling without proper foretelling, which the race provides.
Which comes off as him being a whiny punk without the foretelling of him being a GOOD pilot.
Hell, he even has 3PO driving while looking for R2.
Makes much more sense he's been practicing on what amounts to a training rig for an X-wing. Also makes more sense him commenting on it at the briefing.
I think people are way too harsh on the first one in particular. Baby Anakin was too far, but otherwise it's nowhere near terrible. Put teen Anakin in baby's shoes, and it would be just fine.
Plus Maul kicks ass.
But The Force is, and that's what makes Luke a good pilot. Sorry, it was beaten over everyone's head many times in the movie. Darth Vader is trying to blow up Luke Skywalker and says "The Force is strong with this one." Please refer to King Missile song "Jesus was way cool" for the array of powers likely to be bestowed by The Force. Baking the most delicious cakes, dancing better than Baryshnikov, etc.
Did you miss the disaster called The Phantom Menace where Anakin's natural piloting skills are showcased?
No, plenty of setup has been given for Luke's piloting skills. You're just ignoring the instances because you're married to a pod race, that most of us didn't even know was ever supposed to be in the original movie.
Yeah but lo and behold, go figure, he actually is a good pilot. You know sometimes when people run their mouths, they actually have the skills. And it turns out to be your own ego in the way, when you say things like "Oh no so-and-so can't have the skills, because..." you don't like how they talk? Not a good enough reason.
Pretty sure that's because they accidentally flipped the scene. I remember something about that in "the making of" stuff. I seriously doubt 3PO is actually driving.
He's commenting on so-and-so's negativity about the impossibility of the task. Luke has The Force. Obi Wan taught him to be a positive thinker. Of course he's not perfect at it: the theme of positive vs. negative thinking is highlighted when Yoda asks Luke to pull the X-Wing out of the swamp in The Empire Strikes Back.
Also, why do you presume that Luke is supposed to shut up in a meeting? He just saved Princess Leia. He has firsthand knowledge of the Death Star. I think not running his mouth in general about stuff and not taking center stage, shows great humility on his part. He knows he's there to play a role in something much bigger than himself.
Jar-Jar Binks is unforgiveable and bordering on racist. That whole planet of Naboo and the droid-only combat is the biggest stinkingest pile of nerfing crap. Should all be flushed down a toilet through the center of some distant planet.
He does, but also has no personality and is boring except as a combatant. Some people object strongly to Maul. I don't because he's the only Star Wars in the whole goddamn thing.
Disagree. Force can HELP, but does not MAKE. Obi Wan was NOT a good pilot even with the force.
Han was excellent without the force.
So was Wedge, Lando, Jango Fett, and presumably Boba Fett.
What set up? Literally he SAID he was a good pilot. That's it. You never see him pilot a thing until he gets in the X-Wing.
I didn't say he couldn't, I said it's poor storytelling.
If anything, "Because the force" is even weaker storytelling.
Yep, that's why he tells 3po to step on it.
Yes...explain where Obi Wan imparted this wisdom? In the 5 minutes with the training droid?
Bit of trivia for you, the one complaining was Wedge, who goes on to destroy death star v2.
He arguably outflies Luke in the snow speeders in Empire, even.
Sans force.
I prefer the gungans fighting the droids to the teddy bears fighting the imperial army.
But that got cut because the plot got leaked before #2 and Lucas changed it.
I suppose Boba Fett is just as boring?
"Master" piloted just fine in Attack of the Clones. In the original Star Wars, Obi Wan's possible piloting ability simply isn't addressed.
Han has the Force. At least after he didn't get blown away by Greedo's 1st blaster shot, the idea of Han having the Force is very much extant. Not as much Force as Luke or Leia obviously, but enough to get "lucky" often. In Obi Wan's experience, "there's no such thing as luck." To further follow up on this theme of Han having some Force, his child is the most powerful villain in the galaxy in the new movies. That's not all Leia.
No comment. But the proposition isn't "being a good pilot makes you strong with the Force". It's the other way around.
Darth Vader is so good that he doesn't get blown up when everyone else on the Death Star dies. That's another instance of "Han Solo style luck". In Obi Wan's view, not luck at all.
Setting things up verbally is allowed in screenplays. It wasn't the only time Luke's piloting abiltiy was talked about either. You're just choosing to ignore it.
You are seeing the movie through your pod racer radio play bias, which most of us haven't experienced and don't care about.
Now let me ask you this. If the orignial Star Wars had such "poor" storytelling... are you saying that when Luke climbs into an X-Wing, you said "nuh-uh!" ? And how old were you when you saw it? Later he blows up the Death Star; did you express your incredulity once again?
The whole universe is absurd if you really get down to it, so why not just criticize Star Wars in general as being weak? Presumably because you've accepted some of this universe's premises somewhere along the way. This hasn't happened for you regarding piloting, whereas it's bloody obvious to most of the rest of us who watched 6 movies without external stimulus. Normal people get killed in dogfights. They crash into canyon walls. Amazing Force powerful superpeople perform heroic feats of piloting.
Oh well, you remember a detail better than I do, on a scene that was still flipped. Why does this matter? Pilots can't ever be chauffered? Actually it is kind a weird that 3po is doing the driving. I don't think he ever does anything like that again in any of the movies. Hmm... wonder if they changed the dialogue to match the scene flip?
Like every single waking second they were together. Musta done a lot because in the scheme of things, they didn't have a lot of time together before he bit it. Anyways the specific line you're looking for is "That's your uncle talking."
"I" don't like foreshadowing? I think you're projecting. What rule of speech says he's not allowed to talk about spaceships in the meeting?
Bit of a milk run once they got there. Not like it was a small target.
He's not nearly as good at gutting Walkers with a lightsaber though.
And you know that for certain because... he doesn't become a Jedi apprentice? There are presumably piles of people in the galaxy who have some Force ability that is never trained. Heck, Luke would have been one of them if not for circumstance... which in Obi Wan's view are the Force anyways.
They were both horrid, and the Ewoks were the beginning of the end.
He is pretty boring as a character. He's all suit / action villain / screen presence / gear. Sort of a mini Darth Vader, no Jedi magic.
I didn't know we were going down the fan theory lane.
Right, so these non-force users being better than force using pilots ins problematic to the other way around. Even with your Han head-canon.
Darth wasn't near the blowing up death star, and that had nothing to do with his Force ability.
I disagree. So did Lucas, which is why he added the Biggs meeting in the hangar back into the film.
I was 5. No, such things weren't in my head at 5. After learning about things like plots and good storytelling, I wasn't such a fanboy that I couldn't see the flaws.
I was genuinely confused by people complaining of the crappy dialog in the prequels as it wasn't any WORSE than the originals. Acting maybe worse, but the actual dialog, no.
You are ignoring all those super force jedi getting their asses handed to them by the droids,
and later not seeing order 66 coming at all,
Which has nothing to do about being positive. It's about not being able to leave.
You're the one saying it's a comment about the general negativity. I'm the one saying he was making a relevant comparison to something he's done with a similar military craft. He's not trying to be positive, he's bragging how he's already done it.
QuoteBit of a milk run once they got there. Not like it was a small target.
And yet getting there was much more difficult than anything we see Luke manage with his super force piloting skills.
Cause he's still airborne.
Obi Wan is a proven twister of circumstances to his own point of view. Not a reliable source
QuoteHe is pretty boring as a character. He's all suit / action villain / screen presence / gear. Sort of a mini Darth Vader, no Jedi magic.
And sometimes there's nothing wrong with that.
Anyhow. Going to see the new one tomorrow.
What possible reason can you offer for Han Solo surviving Greedo's point blank attack? Other than that Han is lucky with the Force. Per Obi Wan's statement that there's no such thing as luck.
The only other "explanation" I'm seeing is theme based, not reality based. Lucas decides he wants Han to be less of a "bad guy", that shooting first isn't culturally acceptable. Which frankly by itself, doesn't work. The original "gunslinger" approach, does work. Han knows they're about to start shooting, so Han shoots first, under the table where his enemy can't see what's happening. I mean really, Greedo's got a gun on Han the whole time. Where is the moral dilemma here?
Not dying right there had everything to do with Darth being strong with the Force. The Force is the in-world plot armor. What should have happened, rationally, is Han should have easily picked off all 3 tie-fighters from behind. Darth got super, super lucky, and there's no such thing as luck in this universe.
I'm not buying that it was some huge weighty "fix the movie" decision on Lucas' part. Rather, he has the footage, might as well throw it in. This is in an era where the business model of releasing "Director's Cuts" with 5% additional material is becoming a solid business model for DVD sales. I really wish they'd all stop bothering with this Theatrical Release stuff, but there are probably some business factors why it will keep going for awhile. Maybe indefinitely.
Actual fixes, look at what was substantially changed (Greedo), or completely added from scratch (stupid CGI beast comedy). The latter was clearly done to make the movie have more continuity with the CGI prequels.
Rather than trying to label people and push that you're somehow the best / most financially successful screenwriter ever, perhaps you will concede to a screenplay being plenty good enough? Just because you're having an "icebox moment" now, doesn't mean you were having one when you were watching the film.
Um.. WAT? Name one battlefield example that isn't an ambush per order 66.
and later not seeing order 66 coming at all,
It's about "I can't..." vs. "You can". Obi Wan sets Luke on a big character arc about what is possible or not possible. "You have taken your 1st step into a larger world."
He can chew gum and walk. And I don't agree about it being bragging. For Luke it's a statement of fact. "It's not impossible" is the emphasis.
WAT? You think they had a harder time "on approach" in VI than in IV? Surely you jest.
Does the phrase "on any given Sunday" mean anything to you?
Oh good grief. Obi Wan is evil. You have joined the Dark Side. Whatever.
If you can find the original. Han doesn't shoot first...he's the only one that shoots, period.
Here's the script for you, in case you don't believe me:
So, wait, Han shoots one tie fighter. It bumps Vader, causing him to fly out of control, then slams the second one causing both to crash. This is Vader's force ability?
But the fact it was there to put in proves it's in the screenplay to begin with.
Greedo was someone feeling bad about gun violence, not a change to make sense of anything.
Everything I've mentioned was in the screenplay.
QuoteUm.. WAT? Name one battlefield example that isn't an ambush per order 66.
Let's see. Jango single handedly murdering green jedi guy on the balcony when jedi guy jumps up there to be awesome.
All the assorted dead Jedi in the battle referenced by Lee. Various wounded Jedi crawling around during the pause in battle. Lukes hand getting shot...
Skywalker told Organa to aim the cannon at the deck of the barge, at which point Taym Dren-garen shot his right hand, exposing his mechanical limb, but the Jedi quickly recovered and continued to prevent any guards from reaching the cannon.
QuoteIt's about "I can't..." vs. "You can". Obi Wan sets Luke on a big character arc about what is possible or not possible. "You have taken your 1st step into a larger world."
None of which is positive thinking.
QuoteOh good grief. Obi Wan is evil. You have joined the Dark Side. Whatever.
I never joined the light side.
You may recall that when I saw the original movie, I was 2 years older than you, and had 2 years better memory for such details. Not to mention all the years in between of seeing it again and again and again, before Lucas took a hatchet to it. When I say "Han shoots first", it is literally correct. Greedo never gets any chance to shoot second, he's fried to a crisp. That's good gunfighting in my 2nd Amendment / Wild West view of things. On a quick draw your enemy is not supposed to get the chance to shoot you.
Yep. 'Cuz in another 3 seconds, without that lucky break, Han would have fried Vader. But I guess 3 seconds is a long time in combat. A lot of things can happen.
You really honestly never figured this out, the 1st time around watching these films? Even my 7 year old self thought there was no way Vader should have survived that. It was a complete ass pull. Superficial explanation is "we want Vader for the next movie". In-world explanation is Vader is lucky with the Force, in a world where there's no such thing as luck. All of the other bad guys on the Death Star, die. Vader is somehow bigger than that.
Yeah, and it got cut to begin with. Which means it wasn't critical, it could be trimmed.
Hey newsflash, the film is the film. Sorry if you think everyone was supposed to be watching a screenplay and not the final film. There's this thing called editing in postproduction. The Cutting Room Floor.
"Luke?" He isn't even born yet! Well I guess you're skipping through movies. I don't even remember Luke getting shot in the hand, I remember his hand being cut off by Vader in a duel. I can't bear to go over details of the atrocity film that shall not be named, but I will look for a reference to Luke's hand getting shot. Ok, found one (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_the_Great_Pit_of_Carkoon):QuoteSkywalker told Organa to aim the cannon at the deck of the barge, at which point Taym Dren-garen shot his right hand, exposing his mechanical limb, but the Jedi quickly recovered and continued to prevent any guards from reaching the cannon.
This incident exists to demonstrate that Luke has a mechanical hand.
Then you're a loser.
Exactly, so he didn't need force powers to dodge anything at point blank. My point again.
Actually Han's best move is to stay up top and keep Luke clear, not chase Vader now that he's not a threat to the mission.
It always made me wonder why the other rebel ships weren't doing that on the previous runs, actually.
QuoteYeah, and it got cut to begin with. Which means it wasn't critical, it could be trimmed.
But was added back to the radio play because it was deemed important and canon.
And there's this thing called well, I don't know what Disney calls it anymore, but there was the Holocron for the original canon.
The radio play was in it. Sorry.
Fact: Luke gets his hand shot rescuing Han despite super force powers. Oh, you found it. How many things is that now you've found during our conversation. Tell me again how much better your 2 years older memory is.
QuoteThis incident exists to demonstrate that Luke has a mechanical hand.
Already covered in Empire.
QuoteThen you're a loser.
Ok.
In the original theatrical release -I'm older than either of you- Vader was shown spinning away for a slit second after the Falcon's intervention. I believe him stabilizing and flying off was a very early Lucas edit/fiddle.
-But there was still nothing to 'correct', even for the sake of Empire.
He didn't need luck in the cantina in the original movie. He definitely needed luck in other instances, like not being summarily executed by Stormtroopers in the Death Star. Maybe he had some luck piloting The Millennium Falcon and not getting shot up too badly as well.
Given what actually happened. But what should have happened, is the 1st wing pilot is blown to bits, then the 2nd wing pilot is blown to bits, then Vader is blown to bits. In about 5 seconds of Millenium Falcon strafing. Oddly, it didn't happen that way, even though it was the obvious way it should have happened. It's exactly what happened to everyone else who had firepower right on their tail in that trench. Just that Vader was doing the from-behind executions before.
That's great, but again, most of us have never heard it and don't care. Our view of Star Wars isn't colored by screenplay tidbits or radio plays. We went with what was in the films, and for the most part, they're internally coherent. Don't need a radio play to figure out that Luke can pilot an X-wing.
I remembered what bugged me. I had trouble swallowing "The Plan". Why didn't they do what they eventually did in the 1st place? However, on further reflection about the events, I realized it was a good plan at the beginning. Then eventually it wasn't. Then they had to do something else. So I had to let go of this, that it wasn't actually a plot hole. Which is why I had trouble remembering my objection.
I'm left with the much more minor objection, of wondering why someone has to be on the bridge. Seems hand-wavy. There was a line of dialogue explaining why, but I don't remember it. So I don't know if it was a good explanation or not.
Did you miss the entire point of Darth Vaders plan was to LET THEM ESCAPE to find the rebel base. Of course they weren't going to kill them.
Actually, if I'm following you, they had several opportunities to do what they eventually did, and instead 'wasted' those to no benefit.
Actually, if I'm following you, they had several opportunities to do what they eventually did, and instead 'wasted' those to no benefit.
But "sneaking off" would have been a better outcome. You have to stay sneaky to sneak off.
So Ben and Rey are reincarnations of Anakin and Padme. When I started to look at it this way, I actually started to like the new trilogy.
So Ben and Rey are reincarnations of Anakin and Padme. When I started to look at it this way, I actually started to like the new trilogy.
Also every SW fan I know makes queasy faces when I mention it.
I don't do conventions or cosplay; I've never written SW fan fiction, collected toys, or any of that other stuff that constitutes membership in a geek subculture. It was a fun set of movies in an interesting setting about characters I liked. Now the characters I liked are dead, their replacements are boring, and the stories they're telling in that setting don't interest me any more. That's all. You don't need to (badly) psychoanalyze my deeper motives.
I love Firefly, except of course for the whorehouse rescue episode.
Well, it had a guy in a very shiny jacket mounting a military assault on a whorehouse from Luke's landspeeder, firing a laser pistol out the open top. With the Serenity crew boarded up inside, shooting out the windows. There were some powerful shark-jumping vibes about that episode. Like Mal's wince-inducing sexual healing with the madam. To be fair, it also had some fun moments with Jayne, because whorehouse, but when I revisit the series, I watch that episode last. Even after the one that's all flashbacks.
EDIT: Also, that episode was naturally rather heavy on the Inara. Inara was always at least a little bit annoying just from Baccarin's acting, and when you throw on her lah-di-dah space geisha hokum, uck. She was most tolerable when she was fighting with Mal. Heart of Gold had her trying to be serious and dramatic. Which was simply painful.
I think Stargate Atlantis had better ... acting than most things out there now.
I think it was just budget Stargate, and written by people who'd already said everything they had to say.Budget what?
I think it was just budget Stargate, and written by people who'd already said everything they had to say.Budget what?
It had perhaps my most favorite (isn't that a double superlative?) scene of all time: nothing beats this space-launched MIRV attack! 8)
(ok, GI Joe 2 had a space-launched 'rod from God' kinetic attack but it was a movie, not just a...budget...serie :D )
The MIRV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAjAdQpprgg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAjAdQpprgg)
My god that was mind numbingly horrible science...
So much wasted weight that could have been spent on more warheads that could have hit a broader target area.
Fuel is for exit, not re-entry.
And ooooo 6 whole warheads.
This was science fiction that was using lower technology than we had at the time of it being made?
That's false. The missile needs to go as fast as possible to minimize the chance of enemies shooting it down. The ship just dropped out of warp and wasn't going fast. It might be a good idea to release the missile before coming out of warp, but I bet the accuracy of ending warp is not guaranteed. Also, that missile may have need to have been launched under any possible contingency. If you were expecting your ship to "throw" it and something got in the way of that, you'd have a problem. So again, "must not fail".
When the reentry vehicle is falling, gravity accelerates it until air gets in the way.
Not to mention that ship had a very good railgun, so no sense in packing MIRVs in the first place...
Maybe it's worth it to overcome that, but doing so is very costly (energy-wise).
I've already done some rough calculations of terminal velocity for the warheads and have more than enough free time to waste brain cells on the thought experiment.
"Science guys", like Grognards, expect to be taken seriously and they're so basically wrong often enough, that why should an author even bother?
Your preferred simulation has 8 warheads accelerating using fuel on the final approach. So I think you should check yourself before making pronouncements of "bad science". The science fiction here is fine. I think the only real critique is too much air drag on the launch rocket. It's not streamlined, it's made to look spaceship kewl.
How do you know it didn't need to be armored to protect the warheads? Nothing did shoot at the incoming MIRV launcher, but something could have. AFAIAC it's reasonable to hand wave that this thing was ruggedized for one time, "must not fail" use.
That's false. The missile needs to go as fast as possible to minimize the chance of enemies shooting it down. The ship just dropped out of warp and wasn't going fast. It might be a good idea to release the missile before coming out of warp, but I bet the accuracy of ending warp is not guaranteed. Also, that missile may have need to have been launched under any possible contingency. If you were expecting your ship to "throw" it and something got in the way of that, you'd have a problem. So again, "must not fail".
Ten. Freeze the frame, there's a full frontal view that shows it quite clearly.
Saw this on Twitter-
"The Packman
All of the Star Wars movies come down to one simple fact: Yoda was right. They should not have trained Anakin Skywalker, nor Luke Skywalker. They ignored the guy with 900 years of experience.
Death of experience in a galaxy far, far away."
Saw this on Twitter-
"The Packman
All of the Star Wars movies come down to one simple fact: Yoda was right. They should not have trained Anakin Skywalker, nor Luke Skywalker. They ignored the guy with 900 years of experience.
Death of experience in a galaxy far, far away."
Meh. The Emperor already had his eyes on Anakin prior to training or not being decided. Probably just would have hastened his fall to the dark side.
Same trouble with Luke. Don't train him, he was already learning and had gained the attention of Vader by the time Yoda got involved.
In fact, you can make the argument Yoda is most the problem. Hard ass wouldn't let Anakin be trained, so he ends up with a rookie. Too blinded to riddle out the sith are right under his nose. Fails to stop Dooku OR the Emperor in straight up fights. Then hides away like a coward.
Yes, "Solo" maybe is not on the level of original trilogy, but the overall story was good. I am not sure as for consistency with canon, be it new, old or whatever they cook for SW Canon now.
Hungry for more.
People criticize the train in the first part of the movie, but for me it was nice variation for whatever reason there is a train instead of anti-grav ships.
It reminded me of a Firefly episode, where they robbed a train.
I can't find a clip, there is whole episode though on YT.
Well, yes, the last fight in ROTJ is comically bad. I'm pretty sure even I could beat Luke, the way he flails that thing around against Vader. But standards have raised a good deal since then, and if you're going to make a movie that craps all over not only the original trilogy, but even the setup of its immediate predecessor, you should at least be able to get the action scenes right. I mean, that's all most modern sci-fi movies have to lean on anymore. Phantom Menace was rubbish, but even that had Darth Maul against the two Jedi.
It's possible that I've written a fairly length treatment of how I would redo the prequels...
I think the prequels never had any reason to exist, mostly because they came out after we already knew both their broad outlines and how they ended.
Maybe they're Force horses.And the avatar style force bond with them. Yep.
Am told Skywalker is actually worse, and suspect we will not get a clear explanation for the space horses.
If you were over the age of ten, first time, and didn't think belching monsters were funny, none of the Tattooine sequence worked.
Fett went down like a [complaint or disagreeable woman]
and the Hutt has no clothes.
The teddy bear picnic on Endor had offensively cute teddy bears, put that whole part was tight. Aboard DSII --- anything but, and THAT should have been the thematic spine.
Buster, incidentally, tells me Luke said the same thing I've been saying in one of these new Star Wars; the Jedi are where new Sith outbreaks always originate, and that's a real. bad. problem with the Jedi existing.
-So what're you gonna do? There'll still be force sensitives>some super-powered sociopaths even w/o Jedis and jedi lore around...