How Colleges Create Creationists

[Geo]

Yeah.  Although I think of it more as "what people were before this whole modern denomination business started."

When I hear about "orthodox" Jews, I always have the Chadisim (sp?) community in Antwerp in mind. They come over as living "way back in the dark times" to me. Now you make me wondering if these people are following the modern denomiation or not.

Basically, the way it breaks up is as follows:

Thank you.

Just wondering, but during my first vacation in Israel (back in the mid nineties), I took a walk through the Mea Shearim suburb in Jerusalem. Do you happen to live there? I was impressed with the way outsiders were approached to get a feel of their intentions visiting the suburb.

[Yitzi]

Yeah.  Although I think of it more as "what people were before this whole modern denomination business started."

When I hear about "orthodox" Jews, I always have the Chadisim (sp?) community in Antwerp in mind. They come over as living "way back in the dark times" to me. Now you make me wondering if these people are following the modern denomiation or not.

Basically, the way it breaks up is as follows:

Thank you.

Just wondering, but during my first vacation in Israel (back in the mid nineties), I took a walk through the Mea Shearim suburb in Jerusalem. Do you happen to live there?

No, I'm actually American, though I did go study for a year in Israel and then I did live in Mea Shearim.  (It's not a suburb by the way, but rather part of Jerusalem.)  It's also a substantially more right-wing community than my own position; in what I described earlier, it's firmly ultra-orthodox, whereas as I mentioned I'm on the right wing of modern orthodox.

[Geo]

I used "suburb" by lack of knowing a better word. Neighbourhood perhaps?
Anyway, to me back then everything outside the old walls was a suburb.

[Buster's Uncle]

Bumped for Elok...

[Valka]

Well, obviously there's a LOT I disagree with in this thread.

The article in the OP is incorrect, btw. Cats do not have 5 toes on every foot. They have 5 on their front paws and 4 on their back paws (at least that's the case with every cat I've ever had). And yes, I double-checked just 5 minutes ago - woke Maddy up from her nap to count the toes on her hind feet.

[Buster's Uncle]

Well, I believe the central thesis of the OP is that the Creator isn't in the habit of mowing people's lawn - that being omniscient, He created well, and doesn't need to cheat by intervening in the universe a lot.  Those who think otherwise are looking in the wrong places for His hand, and (sinfully) underestimating Him.

In other words, Science is not Faith's enemy, at least not of abiding faith not so (sinfully) arrogant as to assume that the faithful have all the answers already and Know His Will completley.  -That's pretty much what I'd concluded in my youth when I was still sure I believed.

Care to (respectfully) refute?

(I believe the same observation as to toe numbers applies to dogs, too.)

[Rusty Edge]

Science is not Faith's enemy.

Scientists have faith in dark matter. It's sort of like sin, it's pervasive, intangible, and at the same time immeasurable, and explains behavior that doesn't make sense otherwise.

Okay, I'm being flippant. But scientists do tend to have faith in the law, which sounds rather Orthodox... or at least most of them did when cold fusion was discovered.

[Valka]

It's disappointing to see hypothesizing being mistaken for "faith."

There's an article right now on CBC.ca about a possible gas giant planet out well beyond Pluto. Some of the speculation in the comments are nothing short of ridiculous, not to mention all the invocations of mythology.

A couple of astronomers have a hypothesis, based on observations of oddities in the orbits of several Kuiper Belt Objects, that there is another planet out there. If there is, that's cool (literally, as they hypothesize an orbit that takes 20,000 Earth years to complete).

If not... it wouldn't be the first time that people thought a planet should exist in a certain region of the solar system and were wrong.

[Buster's Uncle]

So you're just asking for proof?  I respect that.

http://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?topic=17406.0
http://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?topic=17403.0

[Valka]

Yes, I know they've announced their hypothesis. What nobody has done yet is actually find it. Right now they've got a hypothesis based on math and observations of Kuiper Belt Objects.

[Buster's Uncle]

So you're underlining Rusty's point, that there's a lot of faith to go around?

[Valka]

Which of my posts gives you that impression?

[Buster's Uncle]

The two previous.  I see we've managed to talk past each other...

[Valka]

I don't understand what faith has to do with the possible discovery of another planet in the solar system. The astronomers publicized their work, laid out the reasoning they used to hypothesize the existence of this planet, and asked for help from amateur astronomers.

The planet is either out there or it isn't. Faith isn't going to make a bit of difference as to whether or not it exists.

[Rusty Edge]

The planet is either out there or it isn't. Faith isn't going to make a bit of difference as to whether or not it exists.

It must be Schrodinger's Planet.