Interest Check for Covert Ops RP

[Yitzi]

The SAS are an option, their outfit here is pretty small and their goal isn't as unscrupulous as the others, least directly.

They're still not very nice.

Plus, they're british, so that gives them -10 points on the moral scale automatically.   

[JarlWolf]

The SAS are an option, their outfit here is pretty small and their goal isn't as unscrupulous as the others, least directly.

They're still not very nice.

Plus, they're british, so that gives them -10 points on the moral scale automatically.   

 
Of course, but then again no one here is nice. Children of Dayo included.

[Yitzi]

The SAS are an option, their outfit here is pretty small and their goal isn't as unscrupulous as the others, least directly.

They're still not very nice.

Plus, they're british, so that gives them -10 points on the moral scale automatically.   

 
Of course, but then again no one here is nice. Children of Dayo included.

How so?  They seem fairly well-intentioned...

[JarlWolf]

Well intentioned does not translate into well behaving. They are a paramilitary formed from the former military of the regime, and like any paramilitary group they are as deadly and violent as any other. They may claim to not bother with the locals or civilians, but when they need supplies, which they sorely lack, don't put it beyond them to rob and bruise up and boot down locals for food or other things if needed.

Might not be explicitly stated, but trust me on this. I've known paramilitary groups and similar groups in my actual personal life, and these men are ruthless when its called for and brutally effective at it.

Edit: Mind, I am not going for a "Good Guys Group" myself. I am going for Amadi's boys, who were, in my version of them, mostly comprised of former Child Soldiers who grew up in Amadi's army, and Amadi became their surrogate father figure, raising them in his army and they became diehard, grizzled battle hardened veterans of his warband. And they do his dirtywork. Whether that means killing a troublesome gang or burning down a village and shooting all of the men and women and dragging off the children to be conscripted, it doesn't matter. They do the job they are told.

[Yitzi]

Well intentioned does not translate into well behaving. They are a paramilitary formed from the former military of the regime, and like any paramilitary group they are as deadly and violent as any other. They may claim to not bother with the locals or civilians, but when they need supplies, which they sorely lack, don't put it beyond them to rob and bruise up and boot down locals for food or other things if needed.

Might not be explicitly stated, but trust me on this. I've known paramilitary groups and similar groups in my actual personal life, and these men are ruthless when its called for and brutally effective at it.

Edit: Mind, I am not going for a "Good Guys Group" myself. I am going for Amadi's boys, who were, in my version of them, mostly comprised of former Child Soldiers who grew up in Amadi's army, and Amadi became their surrogate father figure, raising them in his army and they became diehard, grizzled battle hardened veterans of his warband. And they do his dirtywork. Whether that means killing a troublesome gang or burning down a village and shooting all of the men and women and dragging off the children to be conscripted, it doesn't matter. They do the job they are told.

So no good guys?  I don't think I'm interested in playing then.  I might occasionally want to RP as bad guys...but only in a fairly light non-thinking game (which covert ops is not), or as diabolical masterminds (which also doesn't fit in very well here.)

[JarlWolf]

I never said they were all evil. Just that they weren't goody goody Paladins. They all have their goals, and you may or may not agree to them, but they are doing a job, their duty to their respective parties and governments. And as for diabolical masterminds, you can always try out a Intelligence Agency for that 

CIA, KGB, MSS are all here to try and achieve their goals of intelligence, groups like Amadi's boys and SAS are trying to secure their objectives and do their jobs. Its just who you like more in terms of theme, ideals or simply operation style is who you go for.
I went with Amadi's boys because I wanted a chaotic game full of action, and wanted to play a bit of a ruthless bad guy.

[Yitzi]

I never said they were all evil. Just that they weren't goody goody Paladins. They all have their goals, and you may or may not agree to them, but they are doing a job, their duty to their respective parties and governments. And as for diabolical masterminds, you can always try out a Intelligence Agency for that 

Nah...the KGB never managed to persuade the American populace that they were the good guys or anything like that, for instance.

[JarlWolf]

As much as the CIA even bothered trying to begin to persuade they were the good guys to the rest of the world. Seriously, intelligence agencies are ugly groups that cause massive amounts of harm. Most of Africa and Latin and South America has so many political problems and conflict because of the CIA, and the KGB has done it's number as well in other nations. Intelligence agencies are there to find out whats going on and then mercilessly exploit a situation and bend it the best way possible for their employers/party they work for. There has been no case in history where a intelligence agency/spy is ever a champion of morality, they are called black/covert ops for a reason, and that's due to the high profile and tense nature of their work.

I will state that any covert ops RP, or any covert ops in general is not a story of overwhelming heroism. Not saying heroism does not exist, there is something heroic within protecting people from harmful information and sometimes, a bit of sabotage is needed to protect people elsewhere or even within an area.

Of course, im not saying I root for intelligence agencies or agents in general. I've literally had men die due to "false" information before, and I'd like to see many of these "agents", or traitors as I like to think of them, shot for crimes and murder of their own allies and countrymen.

[Arbee]

Hope we're not making decisions before we hear from the GM.

The only faction that looks like one I'd be potentially interested in playing here is the Children of Dayo (or a small clandestine group thereof), but they're apparently nonplayable...

Honestly, the Children of Dayo were a group that I pulled out of my ass at the last second because I wanted the "official" rebellion to have multiple faces, and maybe give the SAS a run for its money, as far as that's concerned.  I honestly wouldn't mind having an excuse to play with the Children of Dayo a bit further, and since they are a smaller group, I think that handing over a five to ten-man team to a player might be an interesting idea.

That said, while they are well-intentioned, the Children of Dayo aren't squeaky clean sorts.  Because of their insistence on doing things for themselves, they are severely lacking in firepower and funding, and since they're considered enemies of Zandai by the current regime, it'll be hard for them to get their supplies without resorting to stealing them.  This means that they'll more than likely resort to raiding local villages as well as military installations.  With the lack of equipment, they're probably more likely to steal from civilians, especially early on, just to avoid getting tangled up in a costly gunfight.

If you're still interested, I'll give you control of a five to ten-man team operating for the Children of Dayo.  They're going to have to be locals, of course, and they'll all be former members of the Zandaiian Armed Forces.  A smaller team might consist of former special forces types, while a larger team would consist of a mixture of experienced veterans and not-so-experienced recruits.

[Yitzi]

Hope we're not making decisions before we hear from the GM.

The only faction that looks like one I'd be potentially interested in playing here is the Children of Dayo (or a small clandestine group thereof), but they're apparently nonplayable...

Honestly, the Children of Dayo were a group that I pulled out of my ass at the last second because I wanted the "official" rebellion to have multiple faces, and maybe give the SAS a run for its money, as far as that's concerned.  I honestly wouldn't mind having an excuse to play with the Children of Dayo a bit further, and since they are a smaller group, I think that handing over a five to ten-man team to a player might be an interesting idea.

That said, while they are well-intentioned, the Children of Dayo aren't squeaky clean sorts.  Because of their insistence on doing things for themselves, they are severely lacking in firepower and funding, and since they're considered enemies of Zandai by the current regime, it'll be hard for them to get their supplies without resorting to stealing them.  This means that they'll more than likely resort to raiding local villages as well as military installations.  With the lack of equipment, they're probably more likely to steal from civilians, especially early on, just to avoid getting tangled up in a costly gunfight.

If you're still interested, I'll give you control of a five to ten-man team operating for the Children of Dayo.  They're going to have to be locals, of course, and they'll all be former members of the Zandaiian Armed Forces.  A smaller team might consist of former special forces types, while a larger team would consist of a mixture of experienced veterans and not-so-experienced recruits.

Thanks, but I don't think I'm interested at the moment after all.

[JarlWolf]

Hope we're not making decisions before we hear from the GM.

The only faction that looks like one I'd be potentially interested in playing here is the Children of Dayo (or a small clandestine group thereof), but they're apparently nonplayable...

Honestly, the Children of Dayo were a group that I pulled out of my ass at the last second because I wanted the "official" rebellion to have multiple faces, and maybe give the SAS a run for its money, as far as that's concerned.  I honestly wouldn't mind having an excuse to play with the Children of Dayo a bit further, and since they are a smaller group, I think that handing over a five to ten-man team to a player might be an interesting idea.

That said, while they are well-intentioned, the Children of Dayo aren't squeaky clean sorts.  Because of their insistence on doing things for themselves, they are severely lacking in firepower and funding, and since they're considered enemies of Zandai by the current regime, it'll be hard for them to get their supplies without resorting to stealing them.  This means that they'll more than likely resort to raiding local villages as well as military installations.  With the lack of equipment, they're probably more likely to steal from civilians, especially early on, just to avoid getting tangled up in a costly gunfight.

If you're still interested, I'll give you control of a five to ten-man team operating for the Children of Dayo.  They're going to have to be locals, of course, and they'll all be former members of the Zandaiian Armed Forces.  A smaller team might consist of former special forces types, while a larger team would consist of a mixture of experienced veterans and not-so-experienced recruits.

Thanks, but I don't think I'm interested at the moment after all.

A shame, would've been good fun to have the .exe coding wizard himself among us... 

But I can understand your view on it, it's not exactly a friendly environment the RP is set in, to say the least.

[Green1]

i heard a mention of paladins a few posts up


The way I look at it, even the old DnD paladins (2nd edition/ 3rd edition. Not the alignmentless 4th edition ones) with the exception of Planescape are not all that friendly. If you are not "good" (of course according to their definition), they had powers and are directed to murder you. The higher level ones could even "see" what you were unless you had some way of hiding it.

Yes... face smiting in the name of your god!

[Yitzi]

i heard a mention of paladins a few posts up


The way I look at it, even the old DnD paladins (2nd edition/ 3rd edition. Not the alignmentless 4th edition ones) with the exception of Planescape are not all that friendly. If you are not "good" (of course according to their definition), they had powers and are directed to murder you. The higher level ones could even "see" what you were unless you had some way of hiding it.

Yes... face smiting in the name of your god!

As far as I can tell (and I actually own the 3.5 PHB) paladins are not directed to murder (and are prohibited from doing so); it is only the real villians whom they are to kill (and that's not murder, it's pre-emptive defense of their next victims.)

[Buster's Uncle]

Bumped for Flux...