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Offline vonbach

Re: Dune
« Reply #135 on: September 01, 2015, 09:42:59 PM »
I liked the miniseries better than the movie. I'm curious if anyone realizes the movie
is about religion. Specifically the three middle eastern religions.
House Harkonnen are the jews. House Atredies is Christianity and the the Fremen
are the Muslims and Paul is Mohammed.
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Re: Dune
« Reply #137 on: September 02, 2015, 01:37:07 PM »
The others are obvious, but the Harkonnens as depraved homosexual Jews is an interesting take,  (with some resonance, leaving aside a bunch of issues with that- some of them that Herbert definitely intended, back in the day).
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Re: Dune
« Reply #139 on: September 02, 2015, 06:16:42 PM »
No, I'm thinking -other than the Fremen being overtly derived from Islam- on a purely symbolic level.  It's not like the Atredies were given to religious expression before.
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« Reply #141 on: September 03, 2015, 02:20:53 AM »
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I would ask vonbach to quote the relevant parts of the novel that point to the Harkonnens either being Jewish or portraying the same role that our real-world Jews did.

What isn't it obvious? You have the Harkonnens a depraved money hungry people oppressing the freemen in their land  and the Harkonnens offshoot, the Atraides. The whole thing ends in a revolution.
He's talking about Israel and the three middle eastern religions in general.
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« Reply #143 on: September 03, 2015, 12:08:20 PM »
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I'm seriously asking this: Point out which parts of Dune portray the Harkonnens as the Jews.
The book is about the rise of Islam and the religions in general. So the eldest house is the eldest religion
so house Harkonnen are the jews. At one point its revealed that the Atraides at an offshoot of House Harkonnen
hence Christianity. That leaves Islam with Paul as Mohammed. Never mind the whole book takes place in a sandy wasteland where a precious resource everyone needs is located.  Just like the middle east and the oil there.
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What did the RL Jews do that's analogous to what the Harkonnens did?

The Israelis haven't exactly been friendly to the local Arabs who's land they're on.
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