Let's work out some official rules for this forum.

[ete]

Oh hey, you're here again at least for a moment. I'm.. eh. Well, if I was great I probably wouldn't be here, and it'll be good to finish off some bits of project. And yea, we could have young members, but they're going to be few and far between, and almost certainly pretty mature/intelligent youngsters if they have been introduced to this game and liked it enough to find this place. I'm not personally keen on loads of swearing, it just seems like an unnecessary and uncomfortable rule to ban it.

[Buster's Uncle]

Who said ban?  I asked y'all to keep it down, is all.

-Also; DUMMY! 

[testdummy653]

Oh hey, you're here again at least for a moment. I'm.. eh. Well, if I was great I probably wouldn't be here, and it'll be good to finish off some bits of project. And yea, we could have young members, but they're going to be few and far between, and almost certainly pretty mature/intelligent youngsters if they have been introduced to this game and liked it enough to find this place. I'm not personally keen on loads of swearing, it just seems like an unnecessary and uncomfortable rule to ban it.

i will take "eh"... I think its an improvement from the last time we talked! I got a few email notification reminding me how much i missed this community.

I'm personally not against swearing. I agree banning is not the answer, but if you make any rule against swearing such as "No excessive swearing", you open the rules up to interpretation, and disagreement.

[Buster's Uncle]

I'll burn that bridge when I see it.  Who mentioned rules?  I threw a low-key request out there, and I hope that's it.

[testdummy653]

I'll burn that bridge when I see it.  Who mentioned rules?  I threw a low-key request out there, and I hope that's it.

Haha, well we are in the rules thread....

[ete]

Requests by an admin on rulesy things tend to be seen as rules by most people.

[Buster's Uncle]

My default mode is [admin hat off].

-Not really, I'm always thinking about forum business, but I want the respect I've earned and my suggestions taken on their merit, instead of blind Obedience to the Badge.

[Buster's Uncle]

Because, and I hope this isn't me trying to have my cake and eat it, too, but heavy is the head, and all that.  I take my responsibilities seriously, but I wanna be able to shoot the breeze and express my opinions, and hang out like anyone else - without worrying any more than I already do that someone will get stepped on.  And if I can't enjoy myself, I'm wasting my time here.  Once in a while, I make policy statements, some of them while explaining/answering Why Things Are The Way They Are, but how often do I give anyone an order?  I feel like I've failed if I have to do that.  Good leaders, whenever possible, lead people where they want to go - and spend most of the rest of the time persuading them that they want to go there.

I wanna build this forum community some more.  I want those kiddies, if they can behave.  (I've known a few, and my first boy wonder was known to protest when talk got too dirty, honest.)  And I want to run a classy place.  I know keeping it clean is a pain -

-Oh, I give up trying to explain this.  I'm eaten up with forum business for several day now, and tense, and if me saying please isn't good enough, you're welcome to appeal to my partner.  I bet he won't say please.

Haha, well we are in the rules thread....

I didn't bring it in here.

[Kilkakon]

Also, Kilkakon, and that's not one of my jokes.

It's funny because it's true!

[ete]

Chill, I'm not trying to push you or attack you, sorry if me being direct made you feel that way. I was not in the best of states of mind so probably did not word things that well. I just understood an admin request (backed up by the implication of editing out swear words, even if the request was phrased politely) on a fairly mild swear word to mean that swearing was not allowed, and thought that was probably not ideal. I'm not one to swear much personally and don't massively care about the rule one way or another really, just felt it was worth bringing up for clarification and justification.

[Buster's Uncle]

I'm under a lot of stress ATM, and you know what?  The swear policy was already in place when I got here.  I've little idea what I would have come up with if I'd had to formulate a policy.  Probably not that different, though.

There ARE sites that rate your family-friendliness, I've seen them, and the search engines DO consult those. 

I've said my piece on this.  Being in charge sucks in a lot of ways that aren't obvious.  I let a lot (low-level stuff like "ass", that I wish people wouldn't use) slide, because I don't want to be in a place that's that strict, whatever side of the nerdbadge I'm on.  But certain words are just never going to be permitted here, and that's that.

[ete]

Please calm down , I'm not attacking you or telling you to change the rule, I was literally just bringing it up so it could be discussed and so that in future I+other people reading the discussion would have clarity on the policy.

I did look around a bit about the search engine thing, and came to the conclusion that it was unlikely to apply to the level of swearing we get around here based on various threads and sources. That may be wrong, but it seemed to make sense and fit with my experience.

And perhaps you're assuming I'm not familiar with the problems of being in charge? I created and ran a wiki for a ~50k member community for several years and have had at least my fair share of having to handle difficult situations there and elsewhere in leadership positions. There are always going to be tricky bits.

I can tell you're stressed and hope I'm not too much of a part of that. I'm not sure if you can tell my state of mind, but if you'd want to have a proper talk we can compare notes on issues on irc, I'll be hanging out there in an hour or two for the rest of the evening.

We both like building things, let's stay friends and both build more of the stuff we like?

[Buster's Uncle]

It took 20 minutes and lord knows how many tries to even load this thread this time, just so everyone knows one of the things wearing at my nerves.  Something weirder than the intermittent service I've been up against for a month with my internet is going on today.

[ete]

Right. Hopefully that gets sorted soon.

[Unorthodox]

Something to maybe consider is an official DL type.  So we got BU, and then we have ADMIN. 

I've considered it in the Halloweenforum.  It gets tiring sometimes to have to separate personal opinion from TEH MOD SAYS SO.  Course, the whole DL adds another pain of it's own. 

I know I've added to some of the swearfilter problems when it went down/whatever the Hades is up with it lately.  I kinda enjoyed the [insert thesaurus here] nature of it, so haven't been running things by my internal filter here.