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Re: Fight The System
« Reply #45 on: October 24, 2012, 12:01:43 AM »
Libertarian ideas and Ideals are exactly like what I said about communism - makes sense on paper, hopelessly naive about human nature and completely unworkable in practice.  And unlike communism, nothing admirable about the base assumptions and motivational set.

And think about what you're saying, if you know the man's body of work as you seem to.  The line marriages, something that goes back to The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, have virtually nothing to do with the perversion I was talking about.  You can't possibly have that huge a blind spot - he was as bad as John Norman and the Gor books, only incest instead of bondage and domination.  Yes Bob; that turns you on.  We get it.  Shut up about your personal kinks, please.  I'd like to enjoy your excellent work without wading through quite so much filth.

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Re: Fight The System
« Reply #46 on: October 26, 2012, 02:23:22 AM »
Over the years I found anyone taking ideals to the level of idealism or strictly adhering to them to the point of dogma to be hopeless and destructive. I am a communist, and will be until the day I die, but I took the ideal because of personal motivations and beliefs on how to live.

- makes sense on paper, hopelessly naive about human nature and completely unworkable in practice. 

I find it applies to nearly all ideals when you think of it. Nearly every single ideal taken to an extreme, or even attempted to broached has not boded well either initially or in the longterm. Democracy has turned into a representative pie slicing contest with corporate sponsorships and media coverage, Communism and related socialist ideals have been subverted into totalitarian systems, im not even approaching Fascism, and Capitalism has rendered many nations little more then virtual slavery states feeding ultra consumerism.

Is it something I get depressed of? No. But its why I think idealism is flawed in within itself, regardless of the ideal. For me, I am communist and believe the system would be beneficial in operation, but the problem is is trying to achieve that state of operation, and then maintaining it. So instead I chose to embrace it with personal lifestyle and attitude then trying to change a whole system.


I find RAH seriously degraded as time and his age progressed, he started losing grip. And it was evident in his writings as I found. I think lots of philosophers become depressed or crackpot insane after a given period of time (or start out that way to begin with) because they just become grained down.  Even men like Socrates slowly degraded I noticed, as he started to become angrier with time, even before the city state of Athens started to chin him and force him to kill himself.



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Re: Fight The System
« Reply #47 on: November 02, 2012, 06:47:20 PM »
Jarl, please educate the American...

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Insight: Putin's Russia - more fragile than it looks
By Michael Stott | Reuters – 7 hrs ago.. .


MOSCOW (Reuters) - When Vladimir Putin celebrated his 60th birthday last month, a group of patriotic mountaineers unfurled a portrait of the Russian leader on a 4,150-metre mountain peak.
 
Hailing him as a guarantor of happiness and stability, the climbers' leader explained: "We have stuck Putin's portrait on a rock wall we see as unbreakable and eternal as Putin".
 
But as Putin nears the end of his 13th year ruling this vast country, Russians feel increasingly unhappy and worries over long-term political and economic stability are growing.
 
Russia is exporting three things in great quantity, says a leading Moscow banker: natural resources, capital and people.
 
Only the first could be regarded as healthy and sustainable; the other two imply that oligarchs and ordinary citizens alike are turning their back on Putin's Russia.
 
Almost a third of city-dwellers would like to emigrate from Russia, according to a poll in September. Among young people the proportion rose to nearly half. The most favored destinations were Europe, the United States, Australia and New Zealand.
 
The reasons for this exodus of talent and money? A growing sense among educated Russians that their country is heading in the wrong direction, and that no change is likely.
 
It all began very differently. Putin replaced Boris Yeltsin in the Kremlin on December 31, 1999. His early years generated hope as the chaos of the Yeltsin era was replaced by order, the economy grew strongly - Russia's GDP has grown nearly 10-fold under Putin - and a consumer boom created a new middle class.
 
A group of reform-minded ministers led by Alexei Kudrin at Finance and German Gref at Economy raised hopes of real change to increase private investment, modernize industry and infrastructure and reduce dependence on raw material exports.
 
Fast forward to 2012. Putin began a fresh six-year presidential term this March, with his supporters calling for him to stay in power until a constitutional term limit of 2024 - by which time the former KGB spy would have ruled longer than any Kremlin leader since Stalin.
 
Outwardly Putin's reform agenda continues. The president and his government repeat the mantra of modernization - a concept beloved of tsars for centuries.
 
Putin told Russia's main economic forum this summer that his government would implement a program of major transformation to build a new economy, create or modernize 25 million jobs and become an exporter of innovative goods and services.
 
But the facts on the ground point in a different direction.
 
POLITICAL THAW REVERSED
 
A brief and shallow political thaw under Dmitry Medvedev's 2008-12 presidency (in which Putin continued to wield ultimate power from the prime minister's office) is being reversed.
 
Opposition leaders have been arrested on charges which human rights organizations say are trumped-up, new controls have been clamped on the Internet and a Medvedev repeal of slander laws has been reversed.
 
Gref and Kudrin are both long gone from the government and unconfirmed rumors swirl in Moscow that Medvedev himself will be fired by Putin before the end of the year.
 
Growth presses on but at the same time Moscow has the world's biggest population of billionaires, corruption is rampant and the country's huge wealth is very unevenly spread.
 
Kudrin helped to fund a startling study from the Centre of Strategic Research think-tank, published last week. It concluded from interviews with focus groups in Moscow and regional cities that Russians saw little chance of changing their "predatory" ruling elite through the ballot box.
 
Most thought a revolution was possible and even desirable.
 
Medvedev cuts an increasingly lonely figure in Moscow, his credibility with voters gone after stepping aside without a murmur to make way for Putin's return to the Kremlin this year. His supporters privately despair of any chance for real change in an economy that looks increasingly Kremlin-controlled.
 
One recent mega-deal shows the trend. Last month, state-controlled oil giant Rosneft said it would take over the number three oil producer, TNK-BP. Rosneft will buy out the current owners - four Soviet-born oligarchs and Britain's BP - to create the world's biggest publicly listed oil company.
 
At a time when Russian oil production is falling and large-scale investment is badly needed to open up new fields, the Kremlin is instead spending $55 billion in cash and shares to acquire control of a major oil company from the private sector.
 
As the government splurges, Russia's oligarchs are shifting more money abroad because of the poor investment climate. Deputy Economy Minister Andrei Klepach estimates that $50-60 billion of private capital will flow out of Russia this year. Moscow bank Uralsib predicts the figure could hit $80 billion.
 
"MIXED FEELINGS"
 
Putin told a group of visiting academics and journalists last week over dinner at his residence that he had "mixed feelings" about the Rosneft takeover of TNK-BP because it increased state participation in the economy.
 
Russia-watchers, however, had little doubt that the takeover was scripted inside the Kremlin. Rosneft is run by Igor Sechin, a long-time close Putin ally and Kremlin hard-liner who has always favored extending state control over key assets.
 
The two-hour, seven-course dinner with the Valdai Group of Russia experts was held at Putin's Novo-Ogaryovo residence in an exclusive wooded suburb outside Moscow.
 
The occasion was billed as a chance to gain insight into the latest Kremlin thinking and learn Putin's ideas for his new term. But at dinner, the Kremlin chief surprised some attendees with an uncharacteristically flat performance, devoid of the quips and bravado for which he is renowned and lacking in new ideas.
 
Corruption is one of the biggest problems in Russia for ordinary citizens, businessmen and foreign investors. The country has slid to 143rd place out of 182 on Transparency International's Corruption Perceptions Index, tied with Nigeria.
 
Yet Putin shrugged off a question about corruption with a tired sigh, asking his audience what they expected him to say that was new about such a perennial topic.
 
Intimations of Putin's mortality have surfaced. The president's press secretary last week denied a Reuters report that the Kremlin leader needed surgery to correct a back injury, then days later squelched fresh rumors about Putin's health, saying he was working from home to avoid traffic congestion.
 
Such issues are no minor matter in a country where so much power is concentrated in the hands of one man, a man with no visible successor.
 
President Barack Obama memorably described Putin before their first meeting in 2009 as a leader with one foot stuck in the Soviet past, and signs of a drift backwards are visible in Moscow.
 
The Kremlin administration is now headed by 59-year-old former KGB spy Sergei Ivanov, who likes to describe himself as "rather conservative on national security but quite liberal on economics". Ivanov previously headed the Defence Ministry and the military-industrial complex.
 
ZASTOY AND PUTIN
 
On the lips of many educated Muscovites today is the word "zastoy" (stagnation) - an epithet which came to define the lackluster latter years of Soviet leader Leonid Brezhnev in the 1970s and early 1980s, but is now increasingly used of Putin.
 
Despite years of government promises, Russia has yet to build a modern pensions saving system, improve regulation to create a viable financial market trading centre to compete with Dubai or invest in its crumbling infrastructure.
 
Already weighed down by the cost of hefty public sector pay rises ahead of this year's presidential election, the Russian government's latest budget envisages spending $620 billion by 2020 re-equipping the country's military, while cutting spending on infrastructure and education.
 
These priorities have upset business leaders, who are desperate for improvements to the creaking road network.
 
And despite repeated Putin's pledges to cut the economy's dependence on oil and gas exports, the oil price required by the Kremlin to make its budget sums add up has more than doubled over the pasts five years to $110.
 
In foreign policy, Medvedev's much-vaunted plan to reset relations with the United States on a more constructive track has stalled. Instead Moscow has confronted the West over Syria and given priority to pursuing a free trade area with former Soviet neighbors Belarus and Kazakhstan.
 
Alexei Pushkov, chairman of the Duma's Foreign Affairs Committee, says Russia wants to be an "independent centre of attraction" for nations in its neighborhood and adds:
 
"The West made a major mistake wanting Russia to be like the West - Russia wants to be Russia".
 
PUNISHING [ladyparts, sissy] RIOT
 
One of the clearest signs of divergence between Russia and the West is the treatment of [ladyparts, sissy] Riot - a punk feminist band who staged a protest song in Moscow's main cathedral this year imploring the Virgin Mary to rid Russia of Putin.
 
Three of its members were jailed for two years - one later released on a suspended sentence - for "hooliganism motivated by religious hatred".
 
Putin said the women had "got what they deserved" because their performance amounted to a vulgar act of group sex and threatened the moral foundations of Russia. Western governments and human rights groups were outraged at what they saw as a grossly disproportionate punishment.
 
Yet the harsh treatment meted out to [ladyparts, sissy] Riot may signify something deeper than moral indignation.
 
Many analysts see the jail terms as a sign of something deeper - Kremlin insecurity amid rising popular discontent.
 
While the street protests which swept Moscow last winter have now abated, political analysts say the urban, educated population is increasingly unhappy with Putin's leadership.
 
Far from the grandeur of Putin's Novo-Ogaryovo residence, its wrought-iron gates topped with the double-headed Russian eagle, to the north of Moscow lies the featureless dormitory town of Krasnogorsk.
 
Inside a small, noisy McDonald's restaurant there, a diminutive 30-year-old woman energetically explained her prediction for Russia's future under Putin, as a snowstorm swirled outside.
 
"The system itself is crumbling," said Yekaterina Samutsevich, the released [ladyparts, sissy] Riot member. "It's becoming more repressive ... those in power have very strong fears and their behavior is more and more wild. We could end with a total collapse like the Soviet Union."
 
Whether the vision of the strong, stable, great power projected by Putin or the apocalyptic prediction of the young punk rocker come to pass remains to be seen.
 
But in the meantime Russia's people and its business elite are voting with their feet and their wallets. And Putin is not winning.
http://news.yahoo.com/insight-putins-russia-more-fragile-looks-060214902.html

Nothing here is new as far as Putin looking like a Commisar in a mask - or a new Tszar.  He's Cheney or Brezhnev with charisma, but the best that could be said of him is that unlike Yeltzin, he's competent, and unlike some of the Party Chairmen who preceeded him, not a big mass murderer.  Still not the right guy to be in charge of a just society, and never going to stand for justice or fairness, just power.

Set me straight if I'm reading the situation wrong.

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Re: Fight The System
« Reply #48 on: November 05, 2012, 09:18:47 PM »
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Insight: Hunger strikes in industrial Russia test loyalty to Putin
By Alissa de Carbonnel | Reuters – 15 hrs ago.. .


VERKHNYAYA SINYACHIKHA, Russia (Reuters) - Factory smokestacks tower over weathered wooden houses in this provincial Russian town, part of the industrial heartland that helped propel Vladimir Putin into the presidency.
 
Towns like Verkhnyaya Sinyachikha in the vast metals and manufacturing province of Sverdlovsk in the Ural Mountains, some 2,000 km (1,240 miles) east of Moscow, have long been regarded as the backbone of support for the former KGB spy.
 
But that loyalty has been tested by hunger strikes over unpaid wages in at least three factories in Sverdlovsk this year that have prompted authorities to step in to rescue the biggest employers.
 
The government subsidies recall generous industry bailouts that stemmed social unrest during the 2008-09 global economic crisis and signal Kremlin concern that support from working-class Russians, long inured to quietly shouldering hardships, could be at risk nearly 13 years after Putin rose to power.
 
"The first time he ran, we voted for him. The second too, but this time we didn't," said Igor Ilyukhin, 41, one of 47 steel mill workers who fasted for 11 days for unpaid wages, camping on the rotten planks of an abandoned building near the shuttered gates of their bankrupt employer.
 
It is not clear how widespread such rumblings of working-class discontent with Putin are. He won nearly two-thirds of votes handing him a third presidential term in May and told a TV interviewer before his 60th birthday last month that "the overwhelming majority of people still support me."
 
During his election campaign, Putin depicted blue-collar workers as the "real Russia" and pitted them against the mainly middle-class protesters who have staged big rallies against him in Moscow and were referred to by him as "chattering monkeys".
 
But the hunger strike in which Ilyukhin took part was the fourth this year by former workers of the plant that until recently employed 400 people in Verkhnyaya Sinyachikha, a town of 9,800 people 145 km (90 miles) from the regional capital Yekaterinburg.
 
Hunger strikes have also struck a truck-manufacturing plant and a smelter owned by Russia's largest aluminium producer RUSAL in two separate factory towns in the Urals region.
 
Another strike is threatened in the region by 98 workers of a small-parts manufacturer who have given their bankrupt employer until November 6 to pay the wages they are owed.
 
"Maybe we're tired of how we're living," Ilyukhin said.
 
A WAY TO GET PAID
 
The workers, hunched around a smoky campfire in padded state-issue overalls, said that striking was the only way to get paid, and that it was a safe bet the government would step in to ensure they were when they did strike.
 
"We strike and they pay us a bit. We strike again and they pay us a bit more. We don't know where the money comes from," said Andrei Zhukov, taking a pragmatic view of what may seem like a desperate tactic.
 
Zhukov, one of the organizers, said it was easy to gather a list of willing strikers by word of mouth - despite this being the fourth yet by former workers - and register the protest with the town hall.
 
A visit by police to the homes of two participants did little to dissuade them from striking.
 
"We're used to being paid late but we want what we are owed, nothing more," he said. For Zhukov, that meant 20,000 roubles($639) severance pay and back wages, though many who took part in the strike that left about half the group in hospital asked for much less. Monthly pay at the plant was about 9,000 roubles.
 
"For us, this is real money," Zhukov said.
 
Industry leaders and economists warn that the government's hands-on approach to resolving crises, including at privately-owned factories like that in Verkhnyaya Sinyachikha, is stalling reforms.
 
The tactic is short-sighted and increases the country's problems, they say, if there is a drop in the price of oil - the main driver of Russia's budgetary largess.
 
"The state is now taking ever more facilities, industries, entire sectors under its wing," metals tycoon Vladimir Potanin, Russia's fourth richest man, told Reuters in September.
 
"As long as the government has strength, it keeps them ticking over, then at some point - bam - it's a problem," he said. "Efficiency is not growing and there is no competition."
 
'WE ARE FOR STABILITY'
 
The hunger strikes in Sverdlovsk, a region that was once the power base of late President Boris Yeltsin, hark back to the economic mayhem that followed the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 and, with it, Communist central planning.
 
In the decade that followed, workers went unpaid for long spells and some lived off produce from their kitchen gardens.
 
"In the 1990s, everything was a mess," said Igor Kholmanskikh, a former tank factory foreman whom Putin appointed as his envoy to the Urals region this year.
 
A man of few words, the ruddy-faced 43-year-old offered during a television call-in show with Putin last December to travel to Moscow with "the boys" and wipe the streets clear of protesters.
 
"He is our 'Plumber Joe'," Kholmanskikh's spokesman said, drawing a parallel with the U.S. Republican party's championing of an American who questioned then-presidential candidate Barack Obama on tax policy during his 2008 campaign.
 
Clenching his broad hands and looking ill at ease with his sudden elevation from factory floor to the opulent, marble-lined halls of his seat of power in the region, Kholmanskikh stuck closely to the Kremlin's party line to woo blue-collar support.
 
Putin is owed gratitude for presiding over an oil-fuelled economic boom in his first two terms from 2000 until 2008, Kholmanskikh said, warning that protests in Moscow could throw Russia back to the turmoil of the 1990s.
 
"Life has changed, people now have work and social safety nets and life's got better," he said. "Obviously, this is due to Vladimir Putin becoming the country's leader. That is why one of our first campaign slogans was: 'We are for Stability!'"
 
Putin's government is now working to meet that pledge, turning to a host of stopgap measures to keep doors open at factories that have been mismanaged or are simply unprofitable.
 
When more than 85 workers at truck-maker AMUR held a second hunger strike in Novouralsk demanding nearly a year's worth of back salaries in September, local authorities ordered state-owned tank-maker Uralvagonzavod to hand over part of its orders.
 
Regional opposition deputies say the intervention - before mayoral elections in the region on October 14 - was little more than a move to plug the gap at the aged plant burdened by 4.5 billion roubles in debt, 28 million of which is wage arrears.
 
In another industrial town where three city council members joined hunger strikers, Putin ordered electricity tariffs lowered by 30 percent for the Bogoslovsky aluminium plant (BAZ), owned by RUSAL, in the town of Krasnoturinsk.
 
"Take any of our enterprises - they all rely on support," Potanin said. "The government encourages us to pass the hat."
 
CALLS FOR NEW POLICY
 
Built in 1770, the steel mill in Verkhnyaya Sinyachikha is a cornerstone of this factory town. A snow-dusted statue of Soviet state founder Vladimir Lenin stands at its gate and until recently it was still the second largest employer.
 
Like hundreds of other remote factory towns scattered from Russia's far north to eastern Siberia - where the closure of a single plant could throw a whole population out of work - it has seen little investment and struggled to stay profitable since the end of Soviet economic planning.
 
"They (industry owners) have no clear plan or understanding of development, they pass on the weight of incompetence onto the government's shoulders," Sverdlovsk regional governor Yevgeny Kuyvashev said at a televised government meeting last month.
 
He called for a new policy aimed at helping industry to modernize to remain competitive.
 
In a sign of possible trouble to come, the Kremlin's chief federal inspector in the Sverdlovsk region said last month some 50 more enterprises were on the verge of bankruptcy.
 
The town of Rezh may be the next hot spot, if workers are not paid before the November 6 deadline they have set.
 
"We need to anticipate the fires, not put them out when they are already burning," said Anton Danilov-Danilyan, a former Kremlin advisor. "But in some cases, the social cost of closing a plant is more significant to the state than the cost of maintaining the factory."
 
DIVIDED RUSSIA
 
The Kremlin's firefighting style of economic management has set Putin up as a champion of the working man - an image he has cultivated by publicly dragging wealthy businessmen over the coals when they face problems at their plants.
 
Such performances serve as a counterweight to accusations by critics of cronyism and anger simmering over the widening gap between Russia's rich and poor.
 
Putin's appointment of Kholmanskikh, dismissed by critics as a Kremlin puppet, has gone down well in his own province.
 
"If he is a man of the people, then he is better qualified than any official who ... learned from his businessman father how to take bribes," said Dmitry Fomenkov, 26, a construction worker in Yekaterinburg.
 
Despite frustration with the local authorities, and dissatisfaction with their lot under Putin, many workers still struggle to see any alternative to him - a factor which could play into the president's hands.
 
Many residents voice an almost visceral dislike for the largely middle-class, Moscow-centric opposition protesters, who they say have no understanding of what it is to grapple with everyday problems.
 
"At those protests, they insulted us - the workers," said Albina Tatarinova, 50, stamping her feet in the light snow by the campfire in Verkhnyaya Sinyachikha.
 
"They called us 'cattle'. We gave them their own back: Of course, we voted for Putin. There was no alternative."
http://news.yahoo.com/insight-hunger-strikes-industrial-russia-test-loyalty-putin-060436356.html

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Re: Fight The System
« Reply #49 on: November 05, 2012, 09:52:22 PM »
 ;domai;

If you want to fight the system, withdraw your labor as much as possible from the larger institutions. Governments and firms are not terribly different, despite what Nwabudike Morgan might say. As a passionate supporter of democracy and socialism in its purest forms, one of the best things you can do is:

1. Work freelance or among co-operatives with local scope.

2. Volunteer time at local radical organizations. I used to, for example, help out the Dry River Collective, and anarcho-syndicalist collective in my area.

The best thing one can do to enact change is to educate others. This is the approach of Antonio Gramsci, the Marxist whose ideas were applied to the affluent lifestyles of the first world liberal democracies where an actual class revolution was unlikely due to "bread and circuses". The biggest obstacle to revolution is a lack of class consciousness.

In the end, I am a believer that the thing that makes humans most happy is autonomy and creations. We all miss the days where our own handiwork was readily obvious to us. We used to be craftsmen and creators, but the industrial revolution brought about a society where we moved these craftsmen into factories where instead of being paid for their production, they were paid for their time, and their labor.

We need to take control of our own handiwork once again, or instead face a depressing life where our only compensation for our labor is a wage. Sure, money is nice, but the days when we could see the results of our work led us to lead happier lives.

I think I need that Foreman Domai avatar.
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Re: Fight The System
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Re: Fight The System
« Reply #51 on: November 05, 2012, 10:31:20 PM »
Well, the system in place is what it is, and killing the bosses is an unworkable solution for many reasons.  The goverment is entwined with business in a disgusting incestuous embrace that makes it increasingly difficult to distinguish the two.

The approach you articulate is good - but honestly, until a LOT more people can be persuaded to board the bus, a few hippies denying themselves is not gonna accomplish much.

So education is indeed KEY, this being technically still a democracy.  To my view, one of the few things government is really useful for is to play off against the robber barons.  Well that takes getting involved in the process on some level, to get a crowbar between the two and instigate a quarrel.  In my case, it's trying to articulate some ideas - plant seeds in a few minds.  Ideas have power to change the worlde.  The political right wing is the enemy of the people, and about half the people are collaborating in their own enslavement without even realising it.

We are all, with a few exceptions in the ruling class, the man caught on a cliff between the tigers of Government and Business - both want to eat/enslave us, and the solution is not eating strawberries, but getting the tigers to fight.

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Re: Fight The System
« Reply #52 on: November 05, 2012, 10:43:08 PM »
Well, the system in place is what it is, and killing the bosses is an unworkable solution for many reasons.  The goverment is entwined with business in a disgusting incestuous embrace that makes it increasingly difficult to distinguish the two.

The approach you articulate is good - but honestly, until a LOT more people can be persuaded to board the bus, a few hippies denying themselves is not gonna accomplish much.

So education is indeed KEY, this being technically still a democracy.  To my view, one of the few things government is really useful for is to play off against the robber barons.  Well that takes getting involved in the process on some level, to get a crowbar between the two and instigate a quarrel.  In my case, it's trying to articulate some ideas - plant seeds in a few minds.  Ideas have power to change the worlde.  The political right wing is the enemy of the people, and about half the people are collaborating in their own enslavement without even realising it.

We are all, with a few exceptions in the ruling class, the man caught on a cliff between the tigers of Government and Business - both want to eat/enslave us, and the solution is not eating strawberries, but getting the tigers to fight.

I agree, not because I have a distaste for violence, but because a violent revolution is just unfeasible in the USA.

That's why I think the best approach *is* education. Pamphlets, books, propaganda in general with a leftist spin. Our biggest problem is that, unlike corporations, we do not have the institutional backing.

I think the best approach is to create a sort of leftist alliance. A "union" of workers and cooperatives and collectives which help fund each other and support each other. It's the only tactic which I can envision affecting much change. It has even been tried before, but was sabotaged by the government during the era when socialism was not only a bad word, but viewed as downright traitorous.

In other countries (like Italy), however, it has had success in pushing out and out-competing capitalist firms. That is why I think it is worth trying again.
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Re: Fight The System
« Reply #53 on: November 05, 2012, 11:02:10 PM »
My sister Mylochka is generally more liberal than me, but hates when I launch into this sort of radical talk.  Thing is, I've been migrant labor (back in my showbiz days) and she hasn't.  The crap I put up with going from renaissance fair to renaissance fair did a lot to crystallize my thinking.  And anyone who's worked much in any factories in right-to-work states, and we both did in our youths, is a FOOL if they don't see what the Bosses are.  They want slaves.

You know, we have to focus our message somewhat to maximise political persuasion.  One of my grampas was a serious conservative bigot who enjoyed All in the Family because he thought Archie was right, but a lifelong registered Democrat.  Why?  He was a sharecropper during the great depression, and caught Roosevelt's act, and knew which side his bread was buttered on.

If he'd lived long enough, he'd have switched parties, 'cause the Democrats dropped the ball during the Regan years, and have never recovered it.  Tailor the message for my grampa, focus on labor issues, and you'll stop loosing contantly and being ineffective collaborators when you do win.  Stop playing the enemies' game and take it to the people.  I like to say that there hasn't been a Democrat in the White House since Jimmy Carter, and that's just pathetic.

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Re: Fight The System
« Reply #54 on: November 09, 2012, 04:05:08 PM »
Referencing earlier talk about personal finance...

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Americans’ Biggest Money Mistakes
By Chad Brooks, BusinessNewsDaily Contributor | LiveScience.com – 37 mins ago.. .

 
Unnecessary missteps with money can keep people from achieving financial security.  Whether it's over-using credit cards or not properly saving for unexpected expenses, financial experts see many errors that are relatively easy to correct. Here are 10 of the more common money mistakes American's make:
 
Budgeting
 
One of the most common financial mistakes is not setting and keeping to a monthly budget, said Kevin Gallegos, vice president of Phoenix operations for Freedom Financial Network.
 
"Budgeting may not sound exciting, but it is the number one, sure-fire way to stretch a salary and save money," Gallegos told BusinessNewsDaily. "Don’t do it, and you’re like a rudderless ship without a way to get where you want to go."
 
Creating a budget doesn't have to be a complicated process.
 
"The key is to set goals," Gallegos said. "Whether your goal is to take a European vacation, save for retirement, or budget time and money to train for a 10K, write down the goals and build your budget with the goals in mind."
 
Credit cards
 
Financial attorney Leslie Tayne believes many financial problems can be traced back to the use of high-interest credit cards.
 
"If you only pay the minimum on your balance, or miss credit card payments, you are perpetuating the debt cycle," Tayne said. "You are likely to continue accruing high interest and/orpenalties on your accounts, exacerbating your debt."
 
Keeping things to yourself
 
While talking about money might taboo, Nick Richtsmeier, a regional vice president for Trilogy Financial Services, said the number one mistake he sees is that too many people keep their financial moves a secret.
 
"If absolutely no one knows what you are doing with your finances then guaranteed you are fooling yourself into thinking you are doing better than you are," Richtsmeier said. "Have at least one person (in addition to your spouse) that can ask you honest questions about how your money decisions match your goals."
 
That person can be anyone from a reliable friend to a professional financial advisor, he said.
 
Credit reports
 
Credit coach Jeanne Kelly said a common misstep is not keeping track of a credit report.
 
"A big problem is people use credit and do not educate themselves on it," Kelly said. "Your credit report can change with you not even knowing it because you never look at it for accuracy."
 
Kelly’s first rule of credit is to regularly pull your credit report to ensure you are aware of what is being reported and how that can affect your financial well-being.
 
Not saving for repairs
 
Sally Palaian, a licensed psychologist who specializes in treating financial dysfunction, said too often people pretend they don't need to put money aside for maintenance, repairs and replacement of the things they depend on.
 
"I teach people that everything is going to break: dishwashers, car brakes, furnaces, teeth, computers and phones," Palaian said. "We need savings to handle these very predictable expenses that happen to everyone."
 
Buying a house
 
Buying a house that'smore than you can afford is the top mistake that will cripple a long-term financial plan, according to Ted Jenkin, CEO and founder of oXYGen Financial, Inc.
 
Jenkin advises his clients to only buy homes when the mortgage payments aren't more than between 28 and 34 percent of their total gross monthly income.
 
"It is impossible to squeeze into a home financially like you would a car or some other one-time purchase," Jenkin said. "Use that statistic in conjunction with putting 20 percent down on your home purchase and you will typically avoid this number one financial disaster."
 
Lending terms
 
David Rodriguez, a financial education advocate for Generations Federal Credit Union, says the biggest mistake he sees among his clients is their lack of understanding of lending terms such as APR, balance transfers and hidden fees.
 
"The most common issue I have come across in teaching my financial education classes is the lack of understanding on how to calculate monthly APR, one of the most critical components of any loan or credit card," Rodriguez said. "Not understanding these key terms can easily land consumers in jam very quickly."
 
Diversify investments
 
Thinking its okay to invest all your money in one place is a near-certain way to get into major financial difficulties, financial advisor Darrell Canby said.
 
"Investing all of your money in a single stock is like going to the track and putting all of your money on a single horse," Canby said. "Both are big gambles."
 
Prudent investors divide their investments between stocks, bonds and other investments, as well as keep a small amount in cash equivalents such as money market funds, Canby said.
 
Retirement planning
 
While the population is beginning to live longer, certified financial planner Damian Rothermel still sees many people planning their retirement based on living only until age 90.
 
"This is probably too short of a timeframe, as many individuals live longer," Rothermel said. "The concern is the plan put in place may not last as long as the client lives."
 
Life insurance
 
While it might not be easy to think about your death, financial advisor and insurance broker Liran Hirschkorn said a big mistake is not thinking about the financial wellbeing of loved ones left behind.
 
"I constantly hear stories of people who lost the breadwinner and are suddenly put into a very tough financial situation," Hirschkorn. "Protecting yourself with proper disability and life insurance is key."
http://news.yahoo.com/americans-biggest-money-mistakes-152733564.html

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Re: Fight The System
« Reply #55 on: November 10, 2012, 07:13:38 AM »
Putin isn't a bad leader BU, but the government overall is bloated and corrupt. Things are ignored and I will tell you something of personal experienced.

For all the flaws of the Soviet system, let me tell you something. When I have to drive and waste money on fuel for going from a great distance to another, and im alone in a car, I miss the transportation system, which used to transported not just one, but hundreds upon hundreds of people efficiently and safely from point a to b.

If I were to go to nearby Vyatka, and go out on the city streets, and mind you, Vyatka isn't a bad city at all, I would have a high chance of being mugged after dark.
In the old regime that thought never even came to mind.

When I have to get prescribed medicine now, I have to pay a substantial sum for a meager supply of it. I have to pay expenses now for dialysis, a thing that if I do not receive I will die. A service important to my very existence. In the old regime, you may have had to apply and go through a degree of paperwork and at worst, wait. But eventually your needs were met and you were taken care of.

There is god damn NeoNazi parties now, in a land that was once considered a beacon of internationalist supporter and champion of Socialism.

I'm surprised im not dead yet by how stagnated things are. And im just one perspective of this society. It's not any better for the "new" businessman going about now either. Business climates are so entrenched with corrupt circles and cliques it is impossible to have fair dealings, business here is scrupulous and unforgiven, and men leave each other to die. No loyalty or honour persists anymore. Its disgusting. I've seen honourable men reduced to nothing by unscrupulous positions, have everything taken from them and cast out as worthless. Men who had served with integrity in what some may have called a flawed, or brutal system. But these were men and women who served people for better or worse and the new system threw them away like they were garbage. I myself experienced this to extents, and it's outright abominable.

That's a bit of a view for you BU. As for Putin becoming an autocrat, that goes without saying. Russia was always autocratic, even under the Soviet system. It's how our culture is.
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Re: Fight The System
« Reply #56 on: November 10, 2012, 02:48:35 PM »
Some of that's Yeltsin, I would guess.  He always looked like a cynical opportunist to me, with no real beliefs.  That's a bad start for a new system to get off to.  Putin looks good by comparison.

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Re: Fight The System
« Reply #57 on: November 10, 2012, 11:17:40 PM »
Most of that's Yeltsin, I would guess.  He always looked like a cynical opportunist to me, with no real beliefs.  That's a bad start for a new system to get off to.  Putin looks good by comparison.

He looks good compared to a lying sack of lard, yes.
 Putin isn't a man who is gutless or has no integrity, but he's certainly not the head strong man that he's painted as.
 He does his job but the overall system's bloated structure is preventing progress, and democracy overall is just inefficient here.

Along with infrastructure and services being let down, the military has suffered from lack of discipline and now contract soldiers are being put in place where once conscripts filled that role. And while conscripts were not the most enthusiastic men and women, they had more integrity then some [progeny of unmarried parents] filing in for coin. They still have to opt in to show up. My daughter tells me many people duck out of the mandatory service now, and I know from personal experience that contractors are unreliable and if they had the chance would be something akin to bandits.

I'm no fan of the current system at all. It's funny how Western media may have said Russia and the Soviet bloc as a whole was "liberated" from the Iron Curtain, but honestly the system was better before. And the only freedom people really enjoyed under the new regime is the one to leave the cesspit of which my (and other's) nation(s) has become. I don't leave because I have nowhere else to go and I hope for better, and I am a stubborn man.


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Re: Fight The System
« Reply #58 on: November 10, 2012, 11:56:04 PM »
I know you're only one retired man, but isn't it your duty to your country to try to do something?  Remember that ideas have the power to change the world - you are articulate and intelligent, or I wouldn't have taked politics with you twice.  If you think there's no use getting involved in a fundamentally broken system directly -which is how I feel about the system in my country- you could still find somewhere on the web to talk about ideas that might help inhopes they'll influence people and spread.  It's something I'm doing in a modest way in the Election thread now.  Ideas have power.

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Re: Fight The System
« Reply #59 on: November 11, 2012, 05:05:01 AM »
Man, I just want to improve my lot in life so I can do fulfilling work and I can be comfortable. Maybe only have to work part time so I can do nothing but game, bike, and do yoga.

 

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