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Re: WHITE Rameses II and the case for racial representation and why it matters.
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2023, 03:46:39 AM »
-Usually on wood, and I'm talking from memory.

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Re: WHITE Rameses II and the case for racial representation and why it matters.
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2023, 03:56:32 AM »
Sigh. 

You prefer dna results?

https://www.science.org/content/article/scientists-thought-ancient-egyptian-mummies-didn-t-have-any-dna-left-they-were-wrong#:~:text=Whereas%20the%20mummies'%20soft%20tissue,the%20power%20plants%20of%20cells.

TLDR found to be Levantine which would support a range of complexion. 

Or, you know the actual tomb carvings/paintings that have varied complexions within the same tomb such as the tomb off Nakht and Tawny among others. 



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Re: WHITE Rameses II and the case for racial representation and why it matters.
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2023, 04:06:11 AM »
I'm not sure what we're arguing?

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Re: WHITE Rameses II and the case for racial representation and why it matters.
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2023, 01:46:19 PM »
I mean, ancient Egypt was a lot of people for a very long time, and it would be outrageous to assume there wasn't plenty of variation, especially with that top corner of Africa being a natural crossroads.  (-But surviving pigment in art still being incredibly old and maybe not real reliable for reasons already mentioned and extreme oldness.)  This I believed from the get-go.

-And that a medium to light brown complexion for RamII was the best guess...  Do I need to burn a couple hours again cutting out the skin parts of the original to depict my best guess?  It's not real different than the intermediate alter, just somewhat lighter w/ original lips.
« Last Edit: February 26, 2023, 02:01:35 PM by Manic Monday »

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« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2023, 02:32:22 AM »
I agree a middle of the road coloration would have been the wisest course of action, but there are plenty of potential sources and motivations for what they chose.  Thus I don't know that I would come out and call it inherently wrong. 

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Re: WHITE Rameses II and the case for racial representation and why it matters.
« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2023, 03:28:13 PM »
Blue eyes, especially, seems hard to justify - I'm completely unaware of the merest HINT of Rams having any northern blood in him...

So I do stand behind my original remarks at this point....

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