Politics 2021

[Rusty Edge]

I mean, if 45 republican senators already vote its essentially unconstitutionally, what are the chances they'll vote for impeachment after the ninth next month?

According to Lawrence O'Donnell, the vote simply meant to table/defer the discussion on the Constitutionality of an impeachment trial for a former president.

Obviously most Republicans would prefer to avoid the trial and forget about this, one way or another, but they won't get their wish. The trial will happen. Unlike the last time, evidence will be presented. Because it will not be a secret vote, I expect [Sleezebag] will win. The evidence will continue to make it awkward/impossible for corporations to openly support Republicans. It's a bad look with consumers. Also, corporations like things stable and predictable. Insurrection doesn't fit with that.

That leaves small donations from [Sleezebag]'s multitude of minions as the alternative funding source for Republican politicians. HE holds the mailing lists. So they have to kiss the ring and get the blessing for that. BUT these [Sleezebag] voters believe that the election was stolen from [Sleezebag], and that voting, donating, and volunteering in political campaigns is therefore pointless. GOP Senators are in a lose-lose position long term.

A lot depends on Mitch McConnel. He likes being in power. [Sleezebag] cost the GOP both houses of Congress, the White House, and it's corporate sponsors. If Mitch decides to cut his losses, [Sleezebag] will lose the senate trial by exactly the amount of votes required. His senators vote as he dictates, or get cut off from campaign financing, endorsements, and lucrative committee assignments. While the US Senate used to be known as "the world's greatest deliberative body" they are now more of a 2 party parliament.

[Rusty Edge]

I don't know the odds, but I think they're in [Sleezebag]'s favor.

[Geo]

I guess quite a few senators would look with envy at the British House of Lords.

[Rusty Edge]

  He started Nazi Wednesday, basically.

Well in terms of personal experience, thinking back to the influx of people to the party after he secured the nomination..... True. That was a turning point or a starting point.

Now I'll have to contemplate if the Reaganites really stood FOR anything then, or if it was all ANTI. ANTI-Commi, tax, gov, abortion..

So far FOR prayer in school is all that comes to mind.

[Geo]

I'd thought its hardly possible to let a kettle bubble for 30 years before it woul boil?
Would it even be possible for young radicals of the eighties to remain more or less low key before coming to a head now?

[Buster's Uncle]

The Nazis have been working from the Reagan playbook ever since.  Period.  Blaming the political opposition for everything, blatant obvious lies, mostly.  Republicans don't much talk about personal responsibility anymore -it was a central idea for them when I was a lad- not with Rusty gone.

[Geo]

Well, a number of them are going to face the fact personal responsability still counts for something when invading government buildings.

[Buster's Uncle]

Ah, but it makes me so sad and angry that SO many of them are still talking the Usual Crap, Blame of Others and Big Obvious Lies.  They really ought to be still laying low only a month after the swastikas came out in public, just to not want to look like Nazis.


Y'all mind if I throw the politics into the politics thread?

[Rusty Edge]

Good idea.

[Buster's Uncle]

Done.

I hope I have your kind indulgence, Geo...

[Geo]

It was in fact kind of you to ask, Sir.

[Buster's Uncle]

It's how I roll when I'm in a decent mood...

[Buster's Uncle]

  He started Nazi Wednesday, basically.

Well in terms of personal experience, thinking back to the influx of people to the party after he secured the nomination..... True. That was a turning point or a starting point.

Now I'll have to contemplate if the Reaganites really stood FOR anything then, or if it was all ANTI. ANTI-Commi, tax, gov, abortion..

So far FOR prayer in school is all that comes to mind.

Not FOR funding school, though.

You put a finger on what I've always thought.  Those people are against all KINDS of things, but FOR almost nothing.  Shabby lip-service to Jesus, maybe, that doesn't understand his teachings.  At all.  They are the textbook definition of -not conservative but- reactionary.

I blame Reagan for SO many crapulent things - and that's not poo-slinging.  Well not just poo-slinging...

[Rusty Edge]

I mean, if 45 republican senators already vote its essentially unconstitutionally, what are the chances they'll vote for impeachment after the ninth next month?

According to Lawrence O'Donnell, the vote simply meant to table/defer the discussion on the Constitutionality of an impeachment trial for a former president.

That seems to have been the case. Yesterday was officially about the constitutionality question.
All agree that the House made a clear case for trial, while [Sleezebag]'s team meandered, hurt [Sleezebag]'s cause, and suffered from contradictions in logic. The House managers declined their 30 minutes of rebuttal time, the [Sleezebag] defense was so weak and incoherent. [Sleezebag] was reportedly an 8 out of 10 on his rage scale.

In the end when the vote was taken, one more Republican flipped. Of course, the vote was really a fig leaf for an exit strategy.
Now the trial will proceed and the evidence will be presented. It's going to get awkward for the Republicans, but deservedly so.

[Rusty Edge]

Well, I've seen much of today's presentation on MSNBC and listened to some coverage and analysis on FOX satellite radio. They're both pretty damning.