Politics 2021

[E_T]

[Buster's Uncle]

[damnit E_T, once in a while I'd like to answer the post just above me when I started typing]

[E_T again a Japanese stealth assassin] [twice]

'Lok - You haven't answered my questions.  I was really asking.

As for this morning's post, I'll mostly cosign Brandon's reply and add that the Schwarzenegger tape points the way to one of the very best things that can happen - the Pig is not the party, and ALL prominent Republicans need to make the same speech, LEAD, say it was a lie.  Nut up and say - I'm Not With Him, He's Not A Conservative.  That's the most healing, unifying thing that can happen.

What, and lose the next election (primary, mind you)??  Never...

Eh.  If everybody does it, maybe they'll start a fad for telling the truth and doing what's best for the whole country and small government and taking personal responsibility - all the genuine admirable conservative values -aside from small government being the wrong thing half the time- that Reagan crowded out.

Good leaders lead their people where they want to go - and also sometimes decide what the people want and talk them into it.  I'm dead serious.  Good leadership could theoretically fix this.  Sales and focus-group governance that forgot what the point of attaining office is, good governing, broke things almost as much as greedy bigots drawing the votes/money/support of greedy bigots.

Leadership.

[E_T]

hehehe.....   complaining about traffic on here.... 

Black Woman named interim Cap Police Chief
https://www.npr.org/sections/congress-electoral-college-tally-live-updates/2021/01/11/955598516/in-historic-first-u-s-capitol-police-name-yogananda-pittman-as-acting-chief

[Buster's Uncle]

I've been very entertained this week, and I've enjoyed your company.

And you irritate me.  A lot.


Watch them cut the sistah off at the knees.

[E_T]

And you irritate me.  A lot.

I love you to BUncle....  :Smoochies:

[Buster's Uncle]

Backatcha.  No homo.

[Elok]

My answer is that you're arguing based on assumptions I don't share.  I guess the short answer would be that it's satisfying to punish [Sleezebag], and he would deserve it many times over, but there are a whole host of reasons why it would be tactically unsound.  He deserves punishment, yes, but Saddam Hussein deserved it even more and we know how that turned out.  Also it just plain ain't gonna happen, in terms of impeachment and conviction.  We don't have the time or the votes to do it before he's gone anyway, and if we do he'll be gone like two days early.  He won't be holding elected office again unless the country gets so dysfunctional that formalities like censure or impeachment will be an irrelevance.  You could in theory get him to jail, but it'd be a real long shot unless you did something to rig it, which aside from being wrong would give extra ammo to his followers and--I can't stress this enough--would see him promptly replaced by somebody less stupid.  Fuhrers don't have to actually be capable of solving any of the problems they promise to solve.  They're only idols, after all.  Finally, it's no good talking about making examples when a third of the country's lost faith in the system (when Dems are in charge; another third loses faith when they aren't) and we're working on pure will-to-power politics.

Now, as for Cruz and Hawley, open season.  They're doing nothing useful and they're both transparently terrible.  Provided they can disappear into a deep hole without hurting rule of law, obliviate away.

[bvanevery]

He could not get the presidency, but it is highly unlikely that anyone from that faction could get the presidency at this point.  Doesn't matter.

I say it does.  You have continued to dismiss the power of a troublemaker who holds the Presidency.  If your average village idiot in the global village cannot in fact hold the Presidency, then they are not a threat equal to [Sleezebag].

I wonder what kind of "wound up person" will make a Presidential run in 2024, other than [Sleezebag]?  Although, since Biden isn't a freak, it is far more likely that he'll get 2 terms.  So, what knucklehead makes a run in 2028?

No-platforming or silencing is ridiculously impracticable.  You can't keep a tenth or more of your population from talking without turning into a duplicate of China.

They'd straight up call it censorship if that was the intent.  "No platforming" means that various entities do not allow their private resources to be used for equal air time.  The Trumpian mob is not owed a platform.  First Amendment only protects from interference by the government.  Private entities can boycott and silence you however they like.  In which case, you have to come up with your own media resources to run your silly propaganda campaign.

Shutting down Parler, or [Sleezebag]'s Twitter account, is a joke.  Early signs are that they've already started switching to special encrypted apps.  If those are shut down, they'll find other means,

That's fine.  Let them keep dancing with the logistics of running successful media networks.  It's not entirely easy.

and each new protocol will make it more difficult to keep an eye on them.

No reason to care.  Even when their intentions are broadcast loud and clear for all to see and know, even when the date of an insurrection is announced, it matters not.  Arresting them after the fact wouldn't proceed any differently either.

[Buster's Uncle]

McConnell is said to be pleased about impeachment, believing it will be easier to purge [Sleezebag] from the G.O.P.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/us/mitch-mcconnell-[Sleezebag]-impeachment.html

-What I figured out for him on Nazi Wednesday.

[Elok]

https://www.russellmoore.com/2021/01/11/the-roman-road-from-insurrection/

From Russell Moore.  Thought BUncle might like it, old Southern Baptist that he is.

[Buster's Uncle]

[ninja'd - will click]


b? FWIW, I've been pretty satisfied with your behavior/level of civility in this thread.  Keep up the good work.

My answer is that you're arguing based on assumptions I don't share.

You indicated long before this that it wasn't an argument you've dreamed all your life of being in for very long, so I call your attention to the point I'd already made about more Schwarzenegger speeches and leadership, and don't engage the rest of this latest post.

However, in the name of I Want To Understand, I'd be obliged if you'd expand considerably on those assumptions you mention.  I made two, in the same sentence about his thoughts while he addressed the mob, that I'm not in love with defending, but I think I definitely want to stand behind the rest.

[Buster's Uncle]

https://www.russellmoore.com/2021/01/11/the-roman-road-from-insurrection/

From Russell Moore.  Thought BUncle might like it, old Southern Baptist that he is.

Me or Moore?  Both, I guess.

I went in with my cringe reflex armed, 'cause I ain't see a public political statement by a Southern Baptist who didn't answer to Dr. Carter that didn't provoke embarrassment/disgust/rage/etc. in decades.

-I have quibbles, but I'm emailing the link to Rev. Dr. Buster's Daddy.  Moore seems to have his head straight.  Thanks for sharing.

[Buster's Uncle]

Now if we can make it through the next 24 hours w/o the treason amounting to anything other than -clown- theater, and no political murders/martial law, I'll be able to relax a little---

-In 15 days - maybe.

Guess not.

[Buster's Uncle]

Liz Cheney: "The President of the United States summoned this mob, assembled the mob, and lit the flame of this attack. Everything that followed was his doing. None of this would have happened without the President...I will vote to impeach the President."

[Buster's Uncle]

I should make clear that my stance has actually shifted - I was anticipating martial law on account of Antifa-did-it if he was still President Thursday morning.  I still find it unbearable that he's Traitor-in-Chief with pardon powers and not under arrest since Wednesday afternoon.  However - I'm persuaded that he can't pardon himself, and Pence would --- since they've already drag-assed around this long like the Brave Heroes they are, let 'peachment take a month or whatever.  Too late to do it right.

But then throw the whole law library at him, from Georgia election tampering to cop-killer to the Treason thing, don't spare going through every felony he committed as President-Elect and every felony since, get Rudy, get everyone, send him to prison so hard anyone who shook his hand in the last five years bleeds from the butthole.  Selah Amen.