Politics 2021

[Buster's Uncle]

My sister swears she saw something going around on Twitter Sun-Mon-Tue -she's only on there to tweet about a Victorian actress you never heard of unless it was from me, posts nothing political, does not follow politics on there- aimed at Antifa types to the effect of "DO NOT GO - IT'S A TRAP!".

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I read something last night -I'll come back with a link if I see it again- comparing The Turner Diaries to what happened Wednesday, making a compelling case that that was what some of the goons were going for.  The photos of the guy in the Senate Chamber w/ the big bundle of zip-ties and the gallows erected outside look pretty convincing in that context.  No speculation on how they thought they'd get Pelosi through the crowd with enough left of her body to hang.

It was credibly alleged that the plan, discussed openly in places like Fashbook Parler, was they break in, get their hostages, hang a few, and Glorious Leader sends in the troops under martial law and arrests all the Democrats and Romney and the VP.  Step three - profit.

Obviously, most of the mob wasn't in on any sort of plan at all.  Poop happens.

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And there's this:

@jimbourg
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23h
I heard at least 3 different rioters at the Capitol say that they hoped to find Vice President Mike Pence and execute him by hanging him from a Capitol Hill tree as a traitor. It was a common line being repeated. Many more were just talking about how the VP should be executed.

@AndrewFeinberg
 · 23h
There are multiple photographs of pro-[Sleezebag] rioters carrying law enforcement-style flex-cuffs.

Rioters went looking for @VP, @SpeakerPelosi, @SenSchumer.

It raises the question of whether there was an organized plan to take hostages. twitter.com/LukeRussert/st…

[bvanevery]

I calculate that if Biden is assassinated, [Sleezebag] will be assassinated.  Numerous people hate him, and someone would get up the gumption, to exact revenge.  I wonder if [Sleezebag] has ever seen through his narcissism enough to realize this?  Winding up a mob with an extremist core and setting it in motion, is a dangerous game to play.  I don't think the extremists care one bit if subsequent events result in their Fearless Leader's death.  What they want, is the boogaloo, and a martyr can provide that just fine.

I suppose [Sleezebag] could avoid consequences by living in a bunker, or leaving the USA.  Citizen animus to end his life, is probably not international in scope.  But [Sleezebag]'s public life in the USA would be over.  He wouldn't manage to stand in front of crowds forever, before suffering the consequences.

I wouldn't expect the assassination of Nancy Pelosi or another 2nd tier Democrat to have the same effect.  More likely, tensions run high enough that a public gun battle ensues at some protest somewhere.  Various people on both sides wind up dead.  I try to remind a few of the liberal gun owners that the 2nd Amendment doesn't guarantee you the right to survive your bearing of arms.  You've got guns, they've got guns.  They could possibly shoot better than you do, they could have more guns than you do.  Hatfields vs. McCoys doesn't end particularly well, for somebody.

The assassination of Republicans, by Trumpian fueled extremists - I think the rest of us all stand around shaking our heads saying, wow, just wow.

[Buster's Uncle]

Can anyone find video of that moment near the end of The Stand when the dude stands up and tells the Devil "This ain't right."?  I'm rolling goose eggs.

[E_T]

I calculate that if Biden is assassinated, [Sleezebag] will be assassinated.  Numerous people hate him, and someone would get up the gumption, to exact revenge.  I wonder if [Sleezebag] has ever seen through his narcissism enough to realize this?  Winding up a mob with an extremist core and setting it in motion, is a dangerous game to play.  I don't think the extremists care one bit if subsequent events result in their Fearless Leader's death.  What they want, is the boogaloo, and a martyr can provide that just fine.

I suppose [Sleezebag] could avoid consequences by living in a bunker, or leaving the USA.  Citizen animus to end his life, is probably not international in scope.  But [Sleezebag]'s public life in the USA would be over.  He wouldn't manage to stand in front of crowds forever, before suffering the consequences.

I wouldn't expect the assassination of Nancy Pelosi or another 2nd tier Democrat to have the same effect.  More likely, tensions run high enough that a public gun battle ensues at some protest somewhere.  Various people on both sides wind up dead.  I try to remind a few of the liberal gun owners that the 2nd Amendment doesn't guarantee you the right to survive your bearing of arms.  You've got guns, they've got guns.  They could possibly shoot better than you do, they could have more guns than you do.  Hatfields vs. McCoys doesn't end particularly well, for somebody.

The assassination of Republicans, by Trumpian fueled extremists - I think the rest of us all stand around shaking our heads saying, wow, just wow.

and claim that it wasn't expected...

[bvanevery]

Well it's like some kind of nasty game of Spin The Bottle with the unhinged.

[Buster's Uncle]

Watch this.  Wallpaper the nets with it.

Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger: "President [Sleezebag] is a Failed Leader"

[Buster's Uncle]

Cop killers:

[bvanevery]

Arnie's take is a good spin, might influence someone.  I don't doubt his sincerity, only the accuracy of the comparison as far as someone else's thinking is concerned.  A fair number of people in the mob, based on the interviews, are clearly paranoid and wrapped up deeply in conspiracy theories.  Although Arnie's phrase of "lies, lies" might reach a few of them who aren't too far unhinged and are just being swept along by their peer groups, there's a pile of people for whom these words don't speak.  More like water off a duck's back, and completely missing the point as far as they are concerned.

Telling in one of those mob interviews, is some lady who said Congress is the People's house.  They view it as a public space that they have a right to be in.  And that if their presence is opposed by force, they have the right to storm it.  Now I don't think that's very good legalese!  But it's what they feel and what they want.

"You don't practice good legalese" is easily answered, in political activism, by diversity of tactics.  A sit-in at a segregated lunchroom counter, is not following legalese.  Various Antifa groups burn 'capitalist' buildings whenever they can.  There are political groups in France, I forget what their cause is, that periodically light buses on fire as a kind of national sport.  They do it to empty buses, or tell everyone to get off the bus before they do it.

Do these actions get some kind of result?  The disruptive but nonviolent lunch counter protests certainly did.  They didn't follow good legalese.  Does the more violent stuff, like arson and smashing up windows, achieve something?  I don't know, but it's all "diversity of tactics".

Now of course, "we wanna be in this building" wasn't the only goal of the insurrection.  I'd say most of those people wanted to entertain a fantasy of stopping the confirmation of the electoral votes, or at least make a huge political theater out of it.  Many wanted to bully and harass congresspeople, including hanging them in effigy.  Some wanted to kill minorities, but I'm not convinced they actually wanted to do it right there and so obviously.  Some definitely want to kill some congresspeople, but it's not clear how dedicated they are to the action.  If the hardcore had been more dedicated, I would have expected more of a bloodbath, and less of just putting feet up on Nancy Pelosi's desk.

Were the cable tie restraints about taking hostages?  Dunno, they could have had another tactical purpose, like sealing off doors against counter-assault.  Actually taking hostages, is a totally unrealistic plan, given that the congresspeople had armed protection.  Maybe they thought they would need to incapacitate some police.  Do unto others before it's done unto you, that sort of thing.

In practice, didn't some cop just get beaten to death with a fire extinguisher?  I haven't verified and learned the details of that story.  EDIT: now I have.  Not so many details to be had yet.

[E_T]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/09/business/national-association-manufacturers-[Sleezebag].html

The statement was the culmination of months of mounting frustration in the organization over shortcomings in the [Sleezebag] administration’s response to the Covid-19 pandemic and, more recently, Mr. [Sleezebag]’s contesting of the election result. It was also the product of rising anger from Mr. Timmons, who has blamed Mr. [Sleezebag] and other political leaders for his father’s death from the virus last month.

The public rebuke was an extraordinary break between Mr. [Sleezebag] and a major business lobbying group that worked closely with him to secure tax cuts and regulatory rollbacks during his term and that the president has showered with attention and praise.

[Buster's Uncle]

I don't think this below was good grammar, even in 1868 lawyerese, but still.

[Buster's Uncle]

We kinda want the Republikkkans to sorta never go quite this far again.

There must be consequences, or there's never any end to this happening ad infinitum.  There must be political consequences for those in government who merely participated in the lying that led to a cop-killing putsch, and there must be more severe consequences for those who doubled down on that lying since Nazi Wednesday.  Those, government or private citizen, engaging in performative outrage that criminals kkkriminals were moderated off internet venues during this ongoing crisis should, at least, also be shunned and shamed.  -Likewise for the phoney-fakey pearl-clutching that impeachment would harm "healing" and "unity", like so many wife-beaters in the act repetitively screaming to ask why she made him beat her.

How DARE anyone this week repeat the lies, give aid and comfort to KKKRIMINALS, suggest the cop-killing kkkriminals, the TRAITORS TO OUR COUNTRY, not be PUNISHED? 

Impeach, investigate, prosecute - shame and shun.  When poop happens, you flush.

[E_T]

I don't disagree, as long as "someone" doesn't Pardon them before he/they is/are gone...  so wait until the 21st...

[E_T]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/09/technology/apple-google-parler.html

Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler, an App That Drew [Sleezebag] Supporters

The companies pulled support for the “free speech” social network, all but killing the service just as many conservatives are seeking alternatives to Facebook and Twitter.

Parler, a social network that pitches itself as a “free speech” alternative to Twitter and Facebook, is suffering from whiplash.

Over the past several months, Parler has become one of the fastest-growing apps in the United States. Millions of President [Sleezebag]’s supporters have flocked to it as Facebook and Twitter increasingly cracked down on posts that spread misinformation and incited violence, including muzzling Mr. [Sleezebag] by removing his accounts this past week. By Saturday morning, Apple listed Parler as the No. 1 free app for its iPhones.

But, by Saturday night, Parler was suddenly fighting for its life.

First, Apple and Google removed the app from their app stores because they said it had not sufficiently policed its users’ posts, allowing too many that encouraged violence and crime. Then, late Saturday, Amazon told Parler it would boot the company from its web-hosting service on Sunday night because of repeated violations of Amazon’s rules.

Amazon’s move meant that Parler’s entire platform would soon go offline unless it was able to find a new hosting service on Sunday.

[Sleezebag] Media Hosting???

[Buster's Uncle]

It'll fail spectacularly, like everything he's ever done.

I don't disagree, as long as "someone" doesn't Pardon them before he/they is/are gone...  so wait until the 21st...

Shun and shame you?

[E_T]

Another longtime ally of Mr. [Sleezebag], Chris Christie, said on Sunday that the president had committed impeachable offenses and that he would vote yes on articles of impeachment if he were in Congress.

“If inciting to insurrection isn’t” impeachable, Mr. Christie, the former governor of New Jersey, said on ABC’s “This Week,” “then I don’t really know what is.”