Politics 2020

[Rusty Edge]

Well, maybe we can breathe a little-

It seems like [Sleezebag] is losing interest in actually governing.
[[Sleezebag]’s public schedule hasn’t included an intelligence briefing since Oct. 1. The White House hasn’t provided a “readout” of any call between the president and a foreign leader in weeks. He hasn’t met with members of the White House coronavirus task force in months. He also offered no public comment on Tropical Storm Eta lashing the Florida Keys.]

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-donald-[Sleezebag]-virus-outbreak-elections-voting-fraud-and-irregularities-2d39186996f69de245e59c966d4d140f

[Buster's Uncle]

Nobody's talking about it -even the liberals screaming on Twitter- but this is being created right now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stab-in-the-back_myth

My fascist cousins have lapped it right up.  I honestly believe this is going to be a serious problem for the rest of my life.

[Buster's Uncle]

-Noting that I have a 100% failure rate at predictions about the Pig, one hopes the Stealer lie is now well and truly jinxed.

[Elok]

[Sleezebag] is currently useless and will be discarded by and by--by the politicians who were supporting him, at least.  Electoral fraud myths will linger, but not in any major way, I don't expect.  Just another piece of liberal perfidy.  Trumpism, on the other hand, will survive and metamorphose into something I can't foresee.  [Sleezebag] will make some effort to shape the movement from exile, but I would be amazed if the media gave him any more play than it had to so he'll be restricted to one voice among many on the hard right, probably someplace like Parler.  Message will probably be adjusted accordingly, and [Sleezebag] will do his best to be a kingmaker once it becomes clear he'll never be king.

[Buster's Uncle]

[Geo]

[Sleezebag] allowing someone else taking the Kings' Seat in lieu of him?
Not really in his character set I think.


Frankly, I kinda hope he will be forced manu militari out of the White House. Besides the hilarious imagery on media it opens up (another?) path for prosecution. Isn't treason still a capital crime in the USA?

[Elok]

My instincts WRT [Sleezebag] have actually been pretty good, historically.  I anticipated that he might win starting in 2015 while everybody else was laughing off the thought, and continued to worry until the last minute when I allowed the popular consensus to lull me out of it.  When he did win, I briefly freaked out before concluding that he would govern by saying offensive things, stealing whatever wasn't nailed down, and little more--while everybody else was talking about fascist takeovers--and lo, it was so.  I concluded that Russiagate would come to nothing because only an idiot would make that sort of deal with Donald [Sleezebag] and Putin is no fool, and that bore out too.

From here on out [Sleezebag]'s options will be sharply constrained.  It would require a borderline miracle for him to come back in '24; conventional and mainstream social media will simply freeze him out if he attempts a comeback (I believe they've finally learned) and I don't believe he can run a winning campaign purely off rubbish like Parler.  Parler et al could grow by leaps and bounds, but their essential reason to exist is as a heretics' den and that's bound to limit their appeal.  He's stopped winning so the GOP leaders he humiliated to get to power have no more cause to cravenly cooperate and will rapidly shut him out.  Trumpism had its uses, but he was always its biggest liability; they need someone slightly less loutish and significantly less incompetent in the captain's chair, reshaping his ideas into something palatable to a broader working-class electorate.  He can use social media to build a brand for whatever new variety of thievery he cares to try, and as long as people are paying attention to him and he can make money off it he'll be content yammering on about the crooked basically-everybody who colluded to cheat him out of his electoral victory hey buy his new ghostwritten book.

All this is assuming that his finances are not in so dire a situation that he has to flee the country or just go bust, and that the Democrats calculate that it's not worth the risk of paying attention to him by prosecuting him for whatever.

[E_T]

Conjecture that I'm hearing is that [Sleezebag] is setting the stage for his "Media Empire" or some such that his followers will flock to after he is gone.  Despite what happens between now and Jan 20, he is still going to have a lock hold on the Republican Party because of his fanatic supporters and the Down-ballot results.  Some of the Republicans are starting to balk, but too few and not too loudly.

You know, I just read this https://getpocket.com/explore/item/the-true-story-of-the-death-of-stalin?utm_source=pocket-newtab
and I can't help but think that this is where [Sleezebag] was headed towards, someone similar to Stalin (not the Communistic part, either).  And if we are not careful in the next decade, this will be his legacy.

[Rusty Edge]

Isn't treason still a capital crime in the USA?

Yes, but...

The definition is treason during a declared war, and as I said , WWII was our last declared war.

Of course if he were to flee the country, I wonder what his prospects are for being tried for the crime against humanity of permanently separating hundreds of small children from their parents and putting them in cages.
Was that an outrage in Europe?

[E_T]

Wasn't there a few people, during the Vietnam War, tried for Treason? (or during Korea or the Gulf Wars)

[Rusty Edge]

Wasn't there a few people, during the Vietnam War, tried for Treason? (or during Korea or the Gulf Wars)

I don't think so. The definition and the case history is pretty narrow-
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artIII_S3_C1_1_2/#:~:text=Article%20III%2C%20Section%203%2C%20Clause,on%20Confession%20in%20open%20court.

I'm sure there are lesser charges that could have been applied, but treason seems to require organizing or conspiring resulting in actual armed conflict witnessed by two or more men. Of course, [Sleezebag] and his militias might actually succeed in meeting the definition where Aaron Burr and others have failed. There's a Million MAGA March on Saturday in DC. 

[Geo]

Of course if he were to flee the country, I wonder what his prospects are for being tried for the crime against humanity of permanently separating hundreds of small children from their parents and putting them in cages.
Was that an outrage in Europe?

Are you joking?
At the time there was the discusion here what to do with the children of European fighters' IS children in Syria. And that was only an issue for certain groups, suing their governments to bring them back and possibly their IS mothers.

[Rusty Edge]

I figured it was my duty as an American to use the time formerly spent on global current event awareness for actively opposing Cheeto Mussolini.
I still come across some information, but it's mostly headlines. I couldn't tell you if Britain is in or out of the EU now.

[Geo]

I figured it was my duty as an American to use the time formerly spent on global current event awareness for actively opposing Cheeto Mussolini.
I still come across some information, but it's mostly headlines. I couldn't tell you if Britain is in or out of the EU now.

 
UK is out, and we're within days of either a trade treaty between the EU and UK or a hard Brexit. Perhaps not surprising, but the main issues are Northern Ireland and fishing within the UK's EEZ.


Lemme give you back one: when will Puerto Rico become a proper state within the US? 

[Rusty Edge]

HA! Good comparison.
Actually, I think and hope that could happen next year IF....
The Democrats get control of the senate. District of Columbia statehood is a possibility at the same time. A flag with 52 stars is easier to design than one with 51 IIRC. It would further weaken the Republican grip on the electoral college, and strengthen the tenuous grip of the Democrats on Congress. Oklahoma, which was a native American territory, I think holds the record at 104 years to statehood. PR has been a territory for 122 years so far, and would rank 30something in population.

I think that the people deserve the equal treatment which comes with statehood. Secondly, it would be a delicious payback to Mitch McConnel for his heavy handed judicial appointments.

What say you Buncle?