Politics 2020

[Bearu]

And the thing is, once the polls close, is when the real fireworks are going to start.  I predict that [Sleezebag] will declare Victory before even half of the ballots are counted; that he will lose anyway, but do as much as he can to attempt to invalidate the results; refuse to leave office until they have to drag him out, kicking and screaming like a spoiled brat, being lead out by the ear...  and afterwards, create such a stink that will even further tear the country apart!

Thus taking our Democracy to the brink and possibly shattering it...

I enjoy watching the United States of America's envelopment in destructive moral and political crises! Perhaps some needed changes might develop from these crises!;excite;

[Buster's Uncle]

[E_T]

Well, definitely not something that you will ultimately be happy with, Bearu, because whatever comes out of it all, will not be friendly towards such things...  maybe even worse....   better to have stability than trying to upset the cart, because in the process, it might roll over on you and crush you...  i.e. be very, very careful what you wish for, because you just might get it...

[Bearu]

Well, definitely not something that you will ultimately be happy with, Bearu, because whatever comes out of it all, will not be friendly towards such things...  maybe even worse....   better to have stability than trying to upset the cart, because in the process, it might roll over on you and crush you...  i.e. be very, very careful what you wish for, because you just might get it...

I know the stability of the status quo has not served many people well in the United States of America over the last couple decades. An openly fascist or authoritarian government in the United States of America will create more unrest and crises for most Americans. I know crises will create suffering for many Americans; suffering people provides fertile grounds for recruitment of discontented people into radical left and right groups. These radical people's ideologies will subvert the legitimacy of the core values of the United States of America from the 1776 constitution.

I also think the present crises in the United States of America will provide fertile opportunities for social change since radical reform often arose from times of prolonged unrest and crisis. A radical dual government often developed after people observed an old government could not or would not resolve the problems seen in places like Weimar Germany, Imperial Russia, and Republican China in the 1910s through the 1940s.

[Buster's Uncle]

You want bad times to happen to hasten the revolution?  Get lost.

[Elok]

In about 24 hours, we ... start to enter the next stage of the drama.  I voted for Jorgensen a few days back.  Stay safe, all.

[E_T]

You want bad times to happen to hasten the revolution?  Get lost.

* E_T agrees

[E_T]

In about 24 hours, we ... start to enter the next stage of the drama.  I voted for Jorgensen a few days back.  Stay safe, all.

I did the same...

[Geo]

Ah, she's this year's third candidate for the elections?
Is there a fourth?
Here on the western shores of the pool, only the GOP and Dem's get mentioned in the news.

[Elok]

There are a whole bunch of candidates, really, but it's accepted that only the big two have the slightest prayer of winning.  Jorgensen is the Libertarian candidate, and frankly I think she's a bit bonkers but I voted for her anyway to signal-boost the Libertarian Party.  And to send the message that neither big-party candidate is satisfactory, which is the main reason anybody votes for a third party--as a protest.  I think Jo Jorgensen was the only candidate who was on the ballot in all fifty states, so technically there's no obstacle to her winning.  But she won't, of course.  Third-party support is expected to be lower this year because the election's so polarized and everybody feels it's important to "make every vote count" against whichever bugbear they're more afraid of.

[Lorizael]

...suffering people provides fertile grounds for recruitment of discontented people into radical left and right groups.

Suffering people also suffer.

These radical people's ideologies will subvert the legitimacy of the core values of the United States of America from the 1776 constitution.

The what?

[E_T]

There are a whole bunch of candidates, really, but it's accepted that only the big two have the slightest prayer of winning.  Jorgensen is the Libertarian candidate, and frankly I think she's a bit bonkers but I voted for her anyway to signal-boost the Libertarian Party.  And to send the message that neither big-party candidate is satisfactory, which is the main reason anybody votes for a third party--as a protest.  I think Jo Jorgensen was the only candidate who was on the ballot in all fifty states, so technically there's no obstacle to her winning.  But she won't, of course.  Third-party support is expected to be lower this year because the election's so polarized and everybody feels it's important to "make every vote count" against whichever bugbear they're more afraid of.

One of the things that the Libertarians believe is having a "None of the Above" thing on the ballot for the elected offices.  As there are people whom voters would rather leave their ballot blank than to vote for the other party, even if the person that was running in their party as Hitler himself.  This sort of disenfranchises someone, even though they did cast a ballot.  The ability to say, 'I don't like any of you slubs that are running and I will make my voice heard in this respect, no matter what' is mainly what it is for.  And truth to tell, if that turns out to be the majority position, then we start over and get someone else up to the position until there is a sufficient majority for them to win. 

And it also signals that we are watching them...

[E_T]

...suffering people provides fertile grounds for recruitment of discontented people into radical left and right groups.

Suffering people also suffer.

These radical people's ideologies will subvert the legitimacy of the core values of the United States of America from the 1776 constitution.

The what?

Hehe, Those whom don't learn from History are doomed to repeat it....

[Buster's Uncle]

I take the bold and courageous stance that I'm against destroying America - it's where I keep all my stuff.

Wanting disasters to happen to hasten the revolution = the revolution has become more important than people, which entirely misses the point.

[Geo]

Time for a name-change? The Fragmented States of America anyone?
Hey, blame Robbie Heinlein for putting the idea in my head all those decades ago!