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Big Bang or Big Bounce? Stephen Hawking and Others Pen Angry Letter about How the Universe Began
Newsweek
Hannah Osborne  May 12, 2017



Stephen Hawking and 32 of his fellow scientists have written an angry letter responding to a recent Scientific American article about how the universe began. In it, they declare their “categorical disagreement” with several of the statements made, and explain why the theory of inflation is still one of the best models for the origin of the cosmos.

The article in question was published in February. Titled “Pop Goes the Universe,” physicists Anna Ijjas, Paul J. Steinhardt, Abraham Loeb examine the latest measurements from the European Space Agency relating to cosmic microwave background (CMB).

CMB is the oldest light in the universe—light emitted just after the  Big Bang around 13.7 billion years ago. In 2013, a map of the CMB appeared to show how the universe inflated extremely fast, before settling down to become the universe we see today. This, many experts said, backed up models relating to inflation theories, where the universe expanded exponentially fast a fraction of a second after the Big Bang.



Stephen Hawking delivers a speech, Washington, D.C., April 21, 2008. Hawking was one of the signatories of the letter to Scientific American.   Paul. E. Alers/NASA via Getty Images


However, Ijjas, Steinhardt and Loeb disagreed with this interpretation. “If anything, the Planck data disfavored the simplest inflation models and exacerbated long-standing foundational problems with the theory, providing new reasons to consider competing ideas about the origin and evolution of the universe,” they write.

The three physicists argue that since the 2013 map was produced, more precise data has been gathered. And this data, they say, adds more evidence to the argument that the Big Bang and inflation do not adequately explain how the universe started. “Yet even now the cosmology community has not taken a cold, honest look at the big bang inflationary theory or paid significant attention to critics who question whether inflation happened,” they say.

Instead, they claim the idea of a “big bounce” is a more likely scenario. In this theory, the universe works on a cyclical basis of expansion and contraction. At the moment, it is expanding. However, when it runs out of energy (or whatever happens to stop its expansion), it will start contracting. Eventually, it will get to the point where it is so small it starts expanding again.

They point to several flaws in inflation theory, including that we are yet to discover primordial gravitational waves—ripples in spacetime created by the Big Bang. Another problem is that inflation requires the existence of “inflationary energy,”  for which there is no direct evidence.

“Given all these problems, the prospect that inflation did not occur deserves serious consideration,” they write. “Today we are fortunate to have sharp, fundamental questions imposed on us by observations. The fact that our leading ideas have not worked out is a historic opportunity for a theoretical breakthrough. Instead of closing the book on the early universe, we should recognize that cosmology is wide open.”


Categorical disagreement

Responding to the article, 33 scientists, including Hawking, have written a  letter of response to Scientific American in which they dismantle the arguments made by Ijjas, Steinhardt and Loeb.

In the letter, they say there is “no disputing” the fact that inflation is the dominant theory when it comes to cosmology. They point out that there are over 14,000 scientific papers by over 9,000 scientists relating to inflation: “By claiming that inflationary cosmology lies outside the scientific method, IS&L [the authors of the earlier article] are dismissing the research of not only all the authors of this letter but also that of a substantial contingent of the scientific community,” they write. “Moreover, as the work of several major, international collaborations has made clear, inflation is not only testable, but it has been subjected to a significant number of tests and so far has passed every one.”

They say there are many models of inflation and no one believes they are all correct. Instead, the theory is something of a work in progress, where scientists are working to find one that fits all the experiments and observations.

The scientists refer to a multitude of reasons why inflation is, at present, the best model for the origin of the universe. This includes there being testable models—including the observations from the 2013 CMB data.



Hubble picture of galaxy NGC 4013. A debate relating to the origin of the universe has started following a Scientific American article about inflation theory.   NASA


“Like any scientific theory, inflation need not address all conceivable questions. Inflationary models, like all scientific theories, rest on a set of assumptions, and to understand those assumptions we might need to appeal to some deeper theory,” they say. “This, however, does not undermine the success of inflationary models.”

“No one claims that inflation has become certain; scientific theories don’t get proved the way mathematical theorems do, but as time passes, the successful ones become better and better established by improved experimental tests and theoretical advances. This has happened with inflation. Progress continues, supported by the enthusiastic efforts of many scientists who have chosen to participate in this vibrant branch of cosmology.”


Disappointed response

Ijjas, Steinhardt and Loeb  responded to the letter with disappointment. They say they have “great respect for the scientists” who signed, but say they missed the key point of the article—how inflation theory has changed over time.

“We firmly believe that in a healthy scientific community, respectful disagreement is possible and hence reject the suggestion that by pointing out problems, we are discarding the work of all of those who developed the theory of inflation and enabled precise measurements of the universe,” they write.

Their main point, they said, is that “we should be talking about the contemporary version of inflation, warts and all, not some defunct relic.” They argue that even when different parameters are taken into account, there are an infinite number of outcomes relating to any model of inflation.

“Our article was not intended to revisit old debates but to discuss the implications of recent observations and to point out unresolved issues that present opportunities for a new generation of young cosmologists to make a lasting impact. We hope readers will go back and review our article’s concluding paragraphs. We advocated against invoking authority and for open recognition of the shortcomings of current concepts, a reinvigorated effort to resolve these problems and an open-minded exploration of diverse ideas that avoid them altogether. We stand by these principles.”


https://www.yahoo.com/news/big-bang-big-bounce-stephen-113222120.html

Offline Misanthrope

Speculation is useful for providing a forum to discuss an issue, compare notes and possibly come to a reasonable conclusion on a matter. Unfortunately, the beginning of the universe is something we tiny little humans have a woeful lack of scientific data on, so for now at least, the best focus would likely be gathering more information.  Having a collective comparison and examination of available data more akin to a laboratory than a political debate would (IMO) be more useful for filling in some of the gigantic gaps in our information and developing a more coherent structure to fill information into as we discover it.

For having such limited data, Hawking does quite well, but then again, like the rest of us, he is working on limited data; worse, he seems to have some unyielding preconceptions that shape his objectives, and worse still, at times, taint his theories.
Think pharma-company politics... if certain facts would hurt sales, they become very easy to ignore.  Also, some potentially harmful information is only discovered later, and if it threatens profitability, the temptation to quietly hide such liable facts is often greater than than the motivation to accept a distasteful conclusion and alter course.
Same thing: all too often, due to limited human perspective, limited information is a perpetual handicap, and selfish as most people tend to be, information that suggests are or were wrong is an affront to be ignored and/or belittled.

My observations.




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Offline gwillybj

Once upon a time, I was intrigued by Stephen Hawking's thinking and writing. Over the years, though, I have become more and more disturbed by what I feel is his unyielding attitude that whatever he believes is the be-all end-all truth. I have come to dislike the man and dismiss a lot of what he says and has said.
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I'm just a bit put off by how many headlines I see featuring him speculating about subjects far, far, far outside the cosmology stuff he's qualified to have his opinion listened to about...

 

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