Author Topic: Astronomy/cosmology questions...  (Read 52424 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline ColdWizard

Re: Astronomy/cosmology questions...
« Reply #75 on: September 09, 2016, 06:20:12 PM »
Part the first: correct or incorrect?
Yellow Hypergiants are theorized to be either post-Red Supergiant of moderate instability evolving blueward one or more times, or relatively more stable stars evolving towards Red Supergiant for the first time. And where the stars of the former type are losing mass [due to various reasons I'm not interested in trying to re-learn/remember right now].

Offline Lorizael

Re: Astronomy/cosmology questions...
« Reply #76 on: September 10, 2016, 11:14:10 PM »
Correct, although you can get that part just from wiki.

Offline ColdWizard

Re: Astronomy/cosmology questions...
« Reply #77 on: September 11, 2016, 05:31:50 AM »
Sometimes wiki is too hard.

But what do the post-Red Supergiants stars become? Luminous blue variables? Supernovae? Other?

Offline Lorizael

Re: Astronomy/cosmology questions...
« Reply #78 on: September 11, 2016, 02:37:44 PM »
That is a relatively easy question to answer, as the ultimate fate of a star is almost completely determined by its initial mass. Small stars blow off their outer layers and become white dwarfs; large stars explode as supernovae, leaving either a neutron star or black hole behind. Yellow hypergiants are initially massive, so they go the supernova->neutron star/black hole route.

(Before supernova, there is some variety of slightly unpredictable evolution through red supergiant and luminous blue variable and the like, all of which represent the star fighting a losing battle against gravity by finding more things to burn. When the battle is lost and outward pressure cannot match inward pressure from gravity: boom.)

Everything else is just a stage in the process of stellar evolution (yellow hypergiant, Cepheid variable, T Tauri star, etc.), whether that stage is long or short. If it's a short stage (or a stage not all stars go through for whatever reason), then we are unlikely to see many stars in that stage. This is why yellow hypergiants are observationally rare; they don't spend much time in the wacky yellow hypergiant phase. But they are (probably) not intrinsically different from any other star of the same initial mass (except in details).

Figuring out what all those stages are is hard, but linking the beginning and the end stages is relatively easy.

Offline ColdWizard

Re: Astronomy/cosmology questions...
« Reply #79 on: September 11, 2016, 09:34:30 PM »
It's the intervening stages that are interesting.

Offline Lorizael

Re: Astronomy/cosmology questions...
« Reply #80 on: September 12, 2016, 03:14:12 AM »
Indeed, but very complicated. It's easy-ish to say what can happen but much harder to say what will happen. For example, there's a famous 60 year old paper in astrophysics known as B2FH that describes in detail the process of stellar nucleosynthesis all the way up to iron. You can accurately model how all that will happen in a star without actually having precise models for the evolution of stars, despite the fact that some of those weird evolutionary stages are necessary to produce some of those elements.

Offline E_T

Re: Astronomy/cosmology questions...
« Reply #81 on: September 12, 2016, 05:12:53 AM »
what is required is detailed observation over very long periods of time...
Three time Hugo Award Winning http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php
Worship the Comic here
Get your schlock mercenary fix here

Offline Buster's Uncle

  • In Buster's Orbit, I
  • Ascend
  • *
  • Posts: 49271
  • €440
  • View Inventory
  • Send /Gift
  • Because there are times when people just need a cute puppy  Soft kitty, warm kitty, little ball of fur  A WONDERFUL concept, Unity - & a 1-way trip that cost 400 trillion & 40 yrs.  
  • AC2 is my instrument, my heart, as I play my song.
  • Planet tales writer Smilie Artist Custom Faction Modder AC2 Wiki contributor Downloads Contributor
    • View Profile
    • My Custom Factions
    • Awards
Re: Astronomy/cosmology questions...
« Reply #82 on: November 13, 2016, 07:25:00 PM »

Offline Lorizael

Re: Astronomy/cosmology questions...
« Reply #83 on: November 14, 2016, 04:23:44 AM »
Taking cosmology this semester, so I've seen the equations of MOND (Modified Newtonian Dynamics, the main dark matter alternative). They work well for that one thing dark matter was originally proposed to explain (galaxy rotation curves) but not anything else where dark matter seems to be having an effect.

For example, right now we're working through the formation of large scale structure in the early universe. If the early universe is composed only of regular matter, then it acts basically like a fluid. That is, it has pressure and doesn't want to be compressed (by gravity), which slows the formation of structure. If the universe is mostly dark matter, however, then matter collapses without any impeding force and structures do form (when we observe them to form).

Offline Rusty Edge

Re: Astronomy/cosmology questions...
« Reply #84 on: November 14, 2016, 04:46:33 AM »
Taking cosmology this semester, so I've seen the equations of MOND (Modified Newtonian Dynamics, the main dark matter alternative). They work well for that one thing dark matter was originally proposed to explain (galaxy rotation curves) but not anything else where dark matter seems to be having an effect.

For example, right now we're working through the formation of large scale structure in the early universe. If the early universe is composed only of regular matter, then it acts basically like a fluid. That is, it has pressure and doesn't want to be compressed (by gravity), which slows the formation of structure. If the universe is mostly dark matter, however, then matter collapses without any impeding force and structures do form (when we observe them to form).

SO...by turning to the Dark Side the Universe could unleash the power of The Force. ;-)

How goes the teaching part?

Offline Lorizael

Re: Astronomy/cosmology questions...
« Reply #85 on: November 14, 2016, 05:54:05 AM »
SO...by turning to the Dark Side the Universe could unleash the power of The Force. ;-)

Current models of dark matter say that (a) it's everywhere, (b) it can pass right through us, and (c) galaxies wouldn't exist without it. So then you could say it surrounds us, it penetrates us, it binds the galaxy together...

Quote
How goes the teaching part?

I'm enjoying it. Grading is a hassle and kind of nerve-wracking. But getting up in front of a class and breaking down complex topics and answering questions and trying to share a little bit of what I'm passionate about... it's stimulating and fun.

Offline Rusty Edge

Re: Astronomy/cosmology questions...
« Reply #86 on: November 14, 2016, 06:36:11 PM »
SO...by turning to the Dark Side the Universe could unleash the power of The Force. ;-)

Current models of dark matter say that (a) it's everywhere, (b) it can pass right through us, and (c) galaxies wouldn't exist without it. So then you could say it surrounds us, it penetrates us, it binds the galaxy together...

Quote
How goes the teaching part?

I'm enjoying it. Grading is a hassle and kind of nerve-wracking. But getting up in front of a class and breaking down complex topics and answering questions and trying to share a little bit of what I'm passionate about... it's stimulating and fun.

 I'm delighted to hear that you're hitting your stride. Besides, explaining is  good practice for when you write a book.
« Last Edit: November 14, 2016, 11:02:39 PM by Rusty Edge »

Offline ColdWizard

Re: Astronomy/cosmology questions...
« Reply #87 on: November 14, 2016, 08:36:04 PM »
Quote
How goes the teaching part?

I'm enjoying it. Grading is a hassle and kind of nerve-wracking. But getting up in front of a class and breaking down complex topics and answering questions and trying to share a little bit of what I'm passionate about... it's stimulating and fun.

How long before we can watch you on TV and learn about space/get beguiled into your cult?

Offline Buster's Uncle

  • In Buster's Orbit, I
  • Ascend
  • *
  • Posts: 49271
  • €440
  • View Inventory
  • Send /Gift
  • Because there are times when people just need a cute puppy  Soft kitty, warm kitty, little ball of fur  A WONDERFUL concept, Unity - & a 1-way trip that cost 400 trillion & 40 yrs.  
  • AC2 is my instrument, my heart, as I play my song.
  • Planet tales writer Smilie Artist Custom Faction Modder AC2 Wiki contributor Downloads Contributor
    • View Profile
    • My Custom Factions
    • Awards
Re: Astronomy/cosmology questions...
« Reply #88 on: November 14, 2016, 10:37:04 PM »
Ooh! Ooh! OOH!  Can I join your evil science cult Mister Vandewalle?

Can I, can I, huh huh huh?

Offline Lorizael

Re: Astronomy/cosmology questions...
« Reply #89 on: November 15, 2016, 04:12:28 AM »
How long did it take Bill Nye to become Bill Nye the Science Guy after he got his degree?

 

* User

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?


Login with username, password and session length

Select language:

* Community poll

SMAC v.4 SMAX v.2 (or previous versions)
-=-
24 (7%)
XP Compatibility patch
-=-
9 (2%)
Gog version for Windows
-=-
103 (32%)
Scient (unofficial) patch
-=-
40 (12%)
Kyrub's latest patch
-=-
14 (4%)
Yitzi's latest patch
-=-
89 (28%)
AC for Mac
-=-
3 (0%)
AC for Linux
-=-
6 (1%)
Gog version for Mac
-=-
10 (3%)
No patch
-=-
16 (5%)
Total Members Voted: 314
AC2 Wiki Logo
-click pic for wik-

* Random quote

The prevalence of anoxic environments rich in organic material, combined with the presence of nitrated compounds has led to an astonishing variety of underground organisms which live in the absence of oxygen and 'breathe' nitrate. Likewise, the scarcity of carbon in the environment has forced plants to economize on its use. Thus, all our efforts to return carbon to the biosphere will encourage the native life to proliferate. Conversely, the huge quantities of nitrate in the soil will be heaven to human farmers.
~Lady Deirdre Skye 'The Early Years'

* Select your theme

*
Templates: 5: index (default), PortaMx/Mainindex (default), PortaMx/Frames (default), Display (default), GenericControls (default).
Sub templates: 8: init, html_above, body_above, portamx_above, main, portamx_below, body_below, html_below.
Language files: 4: index+Modifications.english (default), TopicRating/.english (default), PortaMx/PortaMx.english (default), OharaYTEmbed.english (default).
Style sheets: 0: .
Files included: 45 - 1228KB. (show)
Queries used: 39.

[Show Queries]