6 Reasons Civilization 6 Sounds Totally Different From Past Games

[Unorthodox]

http://time.com/4324490/civilization-6-interview/

Including game A.I. that's been rewritten from the ground up


Civilization VI will be with us in five short months, unveiled Wednesday and already locked into an October 21 release, when PC gamers can grab it for $60.

While the writeup off 2K’s threadbare press release makes it hard to see what’s worth getting excited about, having spoken with lead designer Ed Beach and gameplay designer Brian Feldges, I can say the game sounds less like a trickle of new ideas than a flood.

Here’s a rundown of what they told me.

Civilization VI‘s inception was grounded in differentiation

“We’ve had five different games in this series, and Civilization V is still very popular. It still has tens of thousands of people a day playing it on Steam,” says Ed Beach. “So we knew that we had to come up with an interesting angle for Civilization VI that would push the series in new directions and try out some things we hadn’t tried before.”

“In order to do that, the first thing we wanted to do was look at where we were with Civilization V. So we had some areas where the game wasn’t being played exactly as we’d hoped, or it was a little weaker than anticipated in those areas.”

Firaxis wants players ‘to have to think on their feet’

“The number one thing we found was that players of Civilization V tended to come up with a specific pattern for how they would play the game, and then they would follow that pattern,” says Beach. “They would play the game over and over again, which was great, because we had 43 leaders in the game and so many different civilizations to try. But players would always approach how they went about winning similarly.

“There were things you’d find on forums about how building your empire to four or five cities was the optimal strategy, and there was never any reason to go beyond that. There were tech tree assumptions that you always wanted to approach its beginning in the same way, and that you’d want to rush toward the National College or to the Great Library, get those built, get your science up, and once you’d done that there’d be other paths through the tech tree you’d always want to take in the same way.”

“We liked that our fans had done so much work analyzing these strategies. But we didn’t like that there were clearly identifiable patterns that you didn’t have to break out of, and that you could follow those through every single game. We wanted players to have to think on their feet more. We wanted players to have to come up with brand new untried strategies, to have to react to situations they might be faced with in Civilization VI. Or to put that another way, to make players play to the map they’re given.”

The new ‘unstacked cities’ are the first part of this approach

“We’ve gone away from what was true in all the other Civilization games, where creative buildings or wonders of the world wound up buried deep within cities, all within one tile of the map,” says Beach. “And you’d lose track of what you’d built in which cities because you couldn’t see it. So we decided to take all that interesting content that was stacked in cities and spread it across the map. And not just randomly. We want how you place each of these items on the map to be an important decision that’s going to shape how well you’re doing in the game.”

“You can see all the things you’ve built in your city, but you can also see all the things your opponents have built in their cities,” adds Brian Feldges, noting that this makes where you position scouts and traders (who can spot this city-building activity) around the map that much more crucial.

And the second involves mini-quests

“In the past, pretty much all the Civilization games worked the same way with research,” says Beach. “You’d pick a node on the technology tree, your scientists would start making progress toward that turn after turn, then you’d have to wait for it to happen. It was a very passive activity. We wanted to make sure your progress in the tech tree was something you had more control over, something where you could push your progress if necessary.”

“So what we’ve done is, for pretty much every technology in the tech tree, we’ve associated a specific activity that’s sort of like a quest. And if you finish that activity, boom, we give you a big credit, about 50% of the science that you need to unlock that particular technology is granted to you.”

“So the tech tree is now set up so that it adjusts itself based on your play style. If you’re playing the game militaristically, all of a sudden the militaristic path through the tree is going to open up and be easy for you. If you’re playing the game building a navy, all of a sudden all of these maritime technologies are going to open up for you. It rewards you for being active in certain parts of the game.”

Civilization V‘s oft-maligned A.I. is no more

“The number one thing to know is that Civilization VI is not built on the previous engine,” says Beach in response to a question about critiques of Civilization V‘s ability to play the game on its own terms. “All of the gameplay systems have been entirely rewritten and re-architected. We’ve specifically set it up to be very modifiable. And we’ve rewritten the A.I. from the ground up, learning all the lessons that we had from Civilization V, so we know how best to solve some of these problems in military combat and so forth.”

“It’s a much more goal-oriented A.I. than in the past. The A.I. in Civilization V was very much based on a flavored weighting system, and this one is much more able to follow all the chains of logic, like ‘I need these tech boosts to get to this part of the tree.’ So it’s a very different approach.”

“The other thing is that we’ve changed the way leaders work in diplomacy. In previous versions, all of the leaders approached the game in basically the same way. Here you have very different key triggers, with A.I. that’s now driven by what we call leader agendas. A leader agenda is a specific historical way of approaching the world that we assign to each of the leaders based on what they were good at when they were ruling their empire.”

“Each leader has a historical agenda that you’ll learn as you play the game repeatedly. But we also assign secret agendas to the leaders that you have to uncover through espionage. And so the diplomatic landscape is much richer. The more you mix all the different personalities into a big soup, the more you end up with a very interesting diplomatic landscape.”

The user interface has been overhauled to combat feature creep

“We’re aware that as we add depth, we have to make sure this game is just as easy to play as any of our other titles have been,” says Beach. “There’s a big push on user interface with this game. We’ve taken a whole new approach to user interface development, and there’s a lot that helps players understand what’s going on in the game.”

“A decision isn’t difficult to make if you have context for that decision,” adds Feldges. “I think it’s going to make it much more accessible, but that’s the balancing act you always have with a Civilization. If you make something accessible, you get criticized for dumbing it down. If you make it too complex, you run the risk of alienating new players. And so we’ve been very conscious of that, and I believe on a very good track.”

[Unorthodox]

The research change, especially, sounds interesting. 

[Buster's Uncle]

[DrazharLn]

“The number one thing we found was that players of Civilization V tended to come up with a specific pattern for how they would play the game, and then they would follow that pattern,”

Soren Johnson (co-designer Civ4, Offworld Trading Company, etc) commented on this: for Offworld, he says he wants to have as many of the decisions in the game as possible. He doesn't like the idea of coming up with detailed strategies in advance and then playing them through. Feels to much like a collectable card game: you're mostly playing the other person's deck design and luck: the real play doesn't happen in the match.

[Buster's Uncle]

Didn't Soren have a new game announced last week?

[Dale]

Interesting.

[Rusty Edge]

Civ V cured me of my fanaticism.

I don't assume that just because it's Sid or Civ it will be better. Before V was released we heard so much about how it was designed from ground up for multiplayer, and how it was made for modding. But it wasn't. It was made for STEAM. That was their DRM, and only method of multiplayer. STEAM is by nature, anti-modding.

But there are new people designing and speaking now, so maybe things will be different.

Of all of the articles so far, this one speaks of a game that would interest me.
Mini quests? Quests and random events make each game less predictable, all for it.

New A.I., New diplomacy , very moddable. YAY! YAY! YAY! But haven't I heard that before?

They're talking about a dynamic game that isn't played by a set formula. Much as I like that idea I'm reminded that they were in denial about V's problems in that regard. Well, I'm waiting to see.

On the positive side, the fact that they are retaining features mean that they at least should work on release. But whether we retain the social policy system as we know it, or switch to something more flexible like civics will tell me a lot about whether the game is more dynamic. What do I mean by that? In IV I could rival Napoleon, and sometimes when I sailed my Napoleonic invasion force to the New World I would discover that it was ruled by Shaka with Mech Infantry, and his vassal Gandhi. I guess Conquest/Domination is out... How about a cultural  or diplomatic victory? Well, easier to redirect with civics than a social policy tree.

I won't be ordering an advance Deluxe edition this time. Probably won't buy on release.  I think I can wait for a patch or two, provided the feedback is encouraging. But I'm looking forward to hearing more about it. Particularly the specs, because this laptop will need replaced before I load Civ.

[Buster's Uncle]

...I was told this morning by someone who tends to get included in things like beta testing -which he completely hasn't mentioned- that he had good reason to believe that Civ6 will be much better than 5, let alone BE...

[Dale]

New A.I., New diplomacy , very moddable. YAY! YAY! YAY! But haven't I heard that before?

Yes we have, a couple of times actually.  So is it:

- Third time lucky?

OR

- More fool me?

[Buster's Uncle]

Hey Dale - is yin26 the same Yin as I met at the beginning of WPC?

[Dale]

Yes. He is. And if he said that, I believe him. He and I had very similar thoughts on 5.

[Buster's Uncle]

He's talking getting a bunch of old-timers together in Poly's Civ 6.  I volunteered AC2 as neutral ground (hold your laughter until I'm finished) for non-SMACers.  Heck; something might come of it, and you already are the first one -bedsides Uno and I'm not sure staff counts- to post in this folder since I said five posts in a week and I'm willing to throw up a dedicated subforum, make a Community Elder usergroup and it's possible to make it private so y'all can tell tales and cuss yer hearts out...

[Rusty Edge]

New A.I., New diplomacy , very moddable. YAY! YAY! YAY! But haven't I heard that before?

Yes we have, a couple of times actually.  So is it:

- Third time lucky?

OR

- More fool me?

If I were cynical, I could say that they can easily read at CFC what the audience wants to hear, and turn that into talking points, that jobs and careers depend upon advance sales, and there is a lot of pressure to sell now and deliver later, another STEAM feature.

If it were Sid or Soren making the rounds and saying he got more hands on in order to restore his legacy, I'd be a fanboy.

As it is, I'm sticking to what I said when I ceased playing V. Next time I'll wait to take the player's word on the game, rather than the developer's.


But in the meanwhile, if they're going to stick with the tactical overlay on the strategic map, can we finally have unit facing, so that a flanking attack really is a flanking attack? So that combat is at least up to speed with the Sid's Pirates! city attack mini-game from 2004?

[Unorthodox]

he had good reason to believe that Civ6 will be much better than 5

Not entirely sure that says much. 

[Buster's Uncle]

He was definitely one of the ones who felt traumatically burnt by 5...