What is wrong with these people?

[Unorthodox]

So, this has been headlining the local news for a few days now. 

This is just a more or less random link to one of the many stories.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/byu-honor-code-action-rape-victim_us_5714fa82e4b0060ccda3b7fa

To recap:

BYU student signs up for a dating service, goes on blind date with non-BYU student, where she is driven up a canyon and raped. 

She reports it to the police.

Police FOR GOD KNOWS WHAT REASON (because, Utah) reports it to BYU and tells them not to do anything until after the criminal case. 

BYU promptly places student on academic hold so she can't sign up for classes or transfer records pending her compliance with an honor code investigation.  Something she CAN'T do, legally until the criminal trial is over. 

Now, I'm not an honor code expert but you can wade into it if you want here:

https://policy.byu.edu/view/index.php?p=26

Other than a possible violation of the dress code (she says there were no drugs), I can't even think what there would be to bring charges ON unless rape = premarital sex, thus shunning. 

[Rusty Edge]

Perhaps they are concerned with the honesty aspect, and presume that if the trial doesn't endorse her claims, she is being dishonest.

Maybe their concern is that she wasn't wearing her special underwear at the time, and the criminal investigation proves so.

Okay, I'm being negative, but I can't see the good in the University's approach. Apparently they have no presumption of innocence.

[Unorthodox]

If I were to play devil's advocate, the concern is quite clearly that SHE HAD SEX.  MAYBE it was consensual, which WOULD be a violation of the honor code. 

Still could wait till after the facts are discovered in the criminal proceedings. 

[Buster's Uncle]

I have to suspect there's maybe relevant facts not available to us...

[Dio]

If John Kasich were in here, then he would she should not attend parties with alcohol so she does not become a sexual assault statistic.

[Valka]

Did the crime happen on BYU property? No. Was the perpetrator a BYU student? No. Therefore it's none of BYU's business.

[ColdWizard]

Facts and presumption of innocence are less important than maintenance of ideology.

[Buster's Uncle]

I still keep wondering if BYU could be that dumb/nasty -or know something we don't- or both.

[Unorthodox]

It's a mess of stories right now, I'll admit. 

What's come clear is this seems standard practice for BYU with others stepping forward that they were investigated for code violations after reporting a rape. I can't find that ANY of the rape victims were found in violation of the honor code, though.  Normally it blows over quickly, too. 

This latest case, it seems to be coming to light, a friend of her alleged rapist notified the BYU honor code office she violated the code after the criminal case was brought on the accused. 

From a legal perspective, I honestly don't know how "It was consensual, she's even under honor code investigation" would play as a defense at a trial in Provo. 

[Buster's Uncle]

...I read in one of Alan Dershowitz' books long ago that rape is both the most underreported, and over reported, crime...

[Valka]

I wouldn't put dumb and nasty past any faith-based educational institution.

Even when their adherents are teaching in a regular institution. My sociology prof in college was Dr. Brigham Young Card (yes, related to Orson Scott Card), and fairly early on in the class he'd had us do a survey regarding what was important in our daily lives.

Religion was so far down the list on my survey that it was well into the negative numbers - lowest in the class, and to my knowledge, I was the only one with negative numbers. At least I don't know of anyone else who got called into Card's office and had an attempt made to convert them to Mormonism.

I'd already had a couple of goarounds with this prof in my educational psychology class (turns out he couldn't wrap his mind around Star Trek or evolution; he thought that the concept of IDIC was chaotic). So this time I was less intimidated than I otherwise would have been. I tapdanced my way out of this by telling him truthfully that I had so much classwork and assignments that I couldn't possibly take on any extra reading, so I'd have to say "no, thanks" to his offer to loan me books and have conferences in his office so he could explain them to me. I also told him truthfully that I already had a Book of Mormon in the house because a couple of missionaries had left it when they came to the door (I think it was one of my grandparents who agreed to let them leave it; I still have it somewhere among my book collection).

Anyway, when I told a couple of friends from my class why I'd been called to the prof's office, they were appalled and said I should report him - since proselytizing was against the college rules. I told them I'd excuse it this time, since he hadn't actually threatened my grades or anything, and he'd taken my "no" for an answer. But if he ever tried again, I'd report it.

He never tried again, and even suggested that I do my term project on science fiction... as his relative Orson Scott Card was the GoH at the convention I was going to on Thanksgiving weekend that year. So I met OSC, was unimpressed, wrote most of the paper off the top of my head, and ended up with a B in the course. And later on, I ended up teaching this prof how to use the local transit system and we discussed artificial intelligence; he said he wanted to read the "2001" books by Arthur C. Clarke, and did I know where he could buy them? I said I had them in my personal library and would let him borrow them. I don't know if he learned anything from them, but I got them back and he didn't seem too upset by what he'd read.

[Buster's Uncle]

...I imagine he wouldn't have liked 3001 as well...

[Valka]

I have no idea. Even I've never gotten that far into the series. And Brigham Young Card has been dead for many years now. He was just 3 years younger than my grandmother, which is another reason why I cut him a little slack. He was still teaching at age 67, which is 2 years beyond normal retirement age in Canada (at least it will be once the current government repeals the change the old one made that increased retirement age to 67). I do think he genuinely meant well by this (as he saw it), but it was still pretty damned arrogant of him to think that he could convert the atheist student and she'd meekly go along with it. I'd already been through that other mess I've mentioned with doing my student teaching practicum in a public elementary school but the regular teacher still ordered me to participate in morning prayers. I wasn't going to be coerced by anyone else.

The thing is that during my practicum, we didn't have the Charter of Rights (it was enacted in 1982). My sociology class was after we had the Charter, which means people can't be discriminated against on the basis of religion (or lack thereof) by government/government institutions - including public schools and colleges. So he must have realized that he'd best back off for several reasons. I really could have made things messy for him if he hadn't.

[Buster's Uncle]

Well, 3001 was just not very good - and the atheism was laid on obnoxiously thick.

[Valka]

Did Clarke have a co-author for that? Do those sections sound like something he normally would have written? Remember, this is the same author who wrote "The Nine Billion Names of God" and "The Star" and those stories were pretty clear in saying that God is real.