If Catcalls Were Cheeseburgers

[Buster's Uncle]

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(One bit of didn't-see-it-coming-and-was-shocked after I posted and then finished watching NSFW.)

Thoughts?

[Lord Avalon]

She can haz cheezeburger, amirite? 

[Buster's Uncle]

Sir, if you're pointing out that the actress is of such a cetain quality that you understand, and even sympathize with on some level despite disaproval, the rationale for such boorish treatment as she receives, well, yes - I, in watching, experienced the urge to find a pretext to respectfully offer her a cheeseburger myself.

Seriously, the behavior portrayed is alien to my own experience and observations, but it's certainly what you hear about going on a lot.  And I'm definitely not trying to claim I've never hit on a woman.  Random hottties on the sidewalk, though?  I believe it, but find it hard to believe, y'know?

I did think the vid made its point well...

[Lord Avalon]

I haven't seen it a lot myself, but I don't frequent bars & clubs, where I suspect it might be more common. Also, I wonder if one lived in a big city, if that would provide more chances to observe such behavior.

[Buster's Uncle]

I am not so much with the urban experience myself.  One does always hear those sidewalk stories placed in a city context.

[Metaliturtle]

This hasn't been my experience, as someone who did learn how to pick up women (long strange trip lol) there are cues and clues that should prevent you from making these kinds of bonehead approaches. 

[Buster's Uncle]

I WOULD like to assert, at this point, that sometimes hello just means hello, not here's a cheeseburger.  I have often been bitten on that account - I am not aggressive pretty much ever in approaching women outside performing in renfaires, where I flirted a lot outrageously, and I do deeply resent being so rarely guilty of offering a meat sandwich w/ dairy topping, but so often running into the lady in the restaurant who was already full and tired of it.

[Metaliturtle]

True, and maybe we as a society get highly offended at stupid [male cow poop].

[Buster's Uncle]

The very presumption that hello is anything else is insulting to me, and inherently conceited, let alone some of the rude rejection strategies.

People gotta learn to chill and be cool to each other, is all.  None of this is cool.

[Buster's Uncle]

I mean, it is just a fact that you just don't get a lot of eating with women if you don't offer a few cheeseburgers.  I totally see what the video is saying, and I'm sold - boys, just offering cheeseburgers to strangers never got anybody in the history of the species laid without money changing hands on, at least, some level.

You have to say "hello" first and observe the courtesies.  It's a game, and the rules say you have to be indirect, or the burger goes in the trash.  -Even in a bar, which is lax(er) party rules.  Even I know that.

I was a funny one to end up flirting for a living for a while, that's for sure - and it was edumacational, to say the least - and I was very good at it, to my surprise.

But if you make the mistake I have IRL of not working up the courage to offer the sandwich much, you're not exactly going to have a proud and impressive history of fast food meals shared to happily reflect on.

So, sucks for women, sucks for men - especially the men trying to be chill gentlemen.  Sucks for everyone.  That's all I'm trying to say.

[Valka]

I had something to say about this, but have decided not to say it. Just please don't let this sort of thing cross over into the Lolcat thread.

[Buster's Uncle]

I wish you would say it.

[Valka]

It would require being rude, and I don't wish to be rude.

[Buster's Uncle]

Okay, here's the thing; I posted that video for you and I want your input.

This place is a locker room, and we instantly went to a piggy joke - I think Avalon, a decent man, would admit that, and I do freely.  The video only gave examples of stranger offers, and my remarks focused on that and my own experience/observation related.  It's more complex issue than the video displays, but then it was about a woman's frustrations, not the frustrations that feed into the men acting like such buttholes, and that's okay.

The forum courtesy issue is another complex one where context is crucial, and I worry that I've been too militant in the past about steering members away from discussing disagreements for fear of acrimony to the ultimate detriment of a robust OT community.  Let me say that I don't think we're really pigs, I mean not hopeless ones.  (Except metaliturtle.)  I've never been a woman, and I want to understand better.  I'm willing to listen, and the standard of courtesy among friends is different; I wouldn't have taken that swipe at Gamera on the line above, otherwise.  I didn't take it wrong when you sent me those angry PMs at CFC when you had the IP-ban trouble here - and I would have from not-a-friend.  Have at me.  You have friend privileges with me, and I've not been a paragon of feminist thought here for all that my motivation of starting this thread was on those noble lines.

We can talk it over.  It'll work out. Disagreement and working at finding the truth makes the world more interesting   Thanks.

[Buster's Uncle]

Two fellows in this have potty mouths - NSFW.

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