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Offline Valka

Re: Star Trek
« Reply #990 on: May 31, 2015, 03:59:24 AM »
Well, it's not like David was a child, teenager, or even young adult. He was already grown, and could very well have fathered several kids of his own (based on his age).

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #991 on: June 01, 2015, 01:13:34 AM »
BTW - the little girl playing the little girl was Sarai, who does the YouTube ST reviews in four year-old speak, and is utterly adorable.  I posted a vid or two last year.

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #993 on: June 08, 2015, 04:42:15 AM »
So. My favorite 'Trek was Enterprise because I thought that Archer's was the most realistic, and perhaps relatable, portrayal of a captain. By designed, he botched a great many things, which made the entire series seem more realistic, not that there wasn't something to admire in Picard's consistency, mind you.

Also, I appreciated how the ship was up-armored, up-gunned, and up-crewed for its forray into the Delphic Expanse. The MACOs were an awesome addition and I've never really forgiven their elimination in subsequent lore.
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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #994 on: June 08, 2015, 04:57:09 AM »
[winces]

I liked Enterprise better than most, despite Seven of Vulcan, but you had to go and mention stuff from that horrible, horrible 3rd season...

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #995 on: June 08, 2015, 10:54:08 PM »
That season was, by far, my favorite, and I dearly wish that they'd have extended the arc, although I realize that the moral dilemma posed by the Xindi was a bit "on the nose" for an immediately post-9/11 viewership.

The concept of the Enterprise as unwilling warship was fun, and the writers did a lot to make credible the sense that this was a special mission. But then, you're talking to the guy who likes watching Last Ship for things like getting to see firefighting procedure and SEAL training.
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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #996 on: June 08, 2015, 11:09:24 PM »
And you're talking to a guy who hates, hates, HATES finding metaphors for that thing that happened in New York 14 years ago in his escapist fantasy.  It's rather antithetical to the whole point of consuming escapist fantasies during a decade I had to stop watching the news out of disgust.

Now the FORTH season is a different matter...

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #997 on: June 08, 2015, 11:12:06 PM »
...And God bless Scot Blackula.  If him and whatisname who played Trip aren't a couple of charismatic turd-polishing performers, I don't know who is, because the writing was not good on that show for three years, except for a few bits, and they usually made whatever lame scene they were in shine so hard they'd give Patrick Stewart a sunburn.

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #998 on: June 09, 2015, 12:13:26 AM »
I mostly concur with B's U, except I'd add Doc Phlox to the list of turd-polishers.

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #999 on: June 09, 2015, 12:14:43 AM »
Also, Dr. Sam Beckett is not a black vampire.

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #1000 on: June 09, 2015, 02:03:54 AM »
It's funnier than my usual Scott Dracula - a joke I'm sure he'd bruised a lot of knuckles over very young.

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I once had a job grading Texas High School competence exam essays, and Sam had apparently leaped into some kid - he signed a reasonably good essay
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Mylochka says of Enterprise Quantum Star Track, among other things "and their Nelix-figure was a lot easier to take."  The writing staff definitely had trouble failed at getting a handle on who he was/what might be interesting for him to do -Charles Emerson Winchester's nicer brother with a funny head?  Really?- and he sometimes managed to overcome, and sometimes didn't, IMAO.  The time Seven of Vulcan went into ponn farr in decontamination and tried to vulk him?  He was hilarious.

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #1001 on: June 13, 2015, 02:38:47 AM »
Valka - that idea that Enterprise was in a new post-First Contact continuity is an interesting one, don't you think?  I mean, obviously it was, explicitly so, as I recalled when Egon pointed it out - but I was kinda talking about NextGen creating itself - and how it explains that Archer et.al. seems to have been erased from history in between, with absolutely no mentions or hints -EVER- of Archer and a previous Enterprise as late as Nemisis...  How's them apples?

Also, you get to dismiss the douchey Vulcans as not of the REAL ST timeline...  Though I have some thoughts about why you shouldn't...

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #1002 on: June 14, 2015, 04:27:29 AM »

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #1003 on: June 14, 2015, 06:01:39 AM »
Like Janeway, time travel (at least the non-TOS Star Trek version) gives me a headache. I would love it if there could be a logical case for ignoring the entire existence of the Enterprise series.

Just stating that I didn't like it doesn't get me anywhere but flamed (over at TrekBBS - on that site even the mods will flame people who don't like Enterprise or the nuTrek movies).

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #1004 on: June 14, 2015, 02:37:24 PM »
Odd, that; my perception is that fans of Star Trek and fake alike strongly tend to strongly dislike Enterprise.  It steps all over one and seemed like a regression to the other.

Now, I thought it had non-trivial redeeming qualities - I loved some of the ideas behind it, though I was terribly disappointed by a lot of the execution.  (Most notably featuring another curvaceous showgirl w/ superpowers too obviously like the stripper-wrapped-in-duct-tape of the previous show - people HAVE gone broke making it too obvious how much they underestimate the intelligence of the American public.)

The douchey Vulcans, y'know -I never liked Tuvok or SylarSpock in a similar vein, but still- were actually a clever bit of continuity; the overt racism towards Spock, the everyone always shouting racist stuff in his face when they got mad at him, had to come from somewhere, some profound collective hostility and frustration, there being no real grounds for it shown in Star Trek.  Vulcans as the dominant big brother always telling the smelly dumb emotionally immature space hillbillies to cool their jets and wait 'til they're ready fits - and explains a lot.

(I've always argued that Spock and Sarek were special, from a leading family in the Vulcan meritocracy, thus the cold pressure on Spock all his life to conform and excel, thus his buried complexes and insecurity about his differences from the Vulcan mode.  Not examples, at any rate, to be relied upon for knowing an entire species.  -And Spock's gramma T'Pau fit with them Enterprise Vulcans pretty well at that.)

...It's just too bad the show wasn't Robert April w/ more of a Forbidden Planet retro vibe, and that they didn't try harder for consistency with the original, preferring TNG-era flourishes like Klingons who didn't look like Mexican bikers on acid.
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