Valjiir

[Buster's Uncle]

[Buster's Uncle]

Depp also has a quality that I think a good Del would need; a pretty-boy that straight yard apes like me don't want to beat up on sight...

[Valjiir1]

In the case of say, Kirk, not so much; a decent-looking white leading man will do, provided he can get the personality traits across.

Yep, just the right amounts of charm, arrogance, strength, intelligence, and vulnerability - plus he NEEDS a boyish grin.

I think much of the difference in success in James Crawley and Vic Mignogna's respective portrayals of Kirk have to do with age.  Mignogna is 51, I think, and beginning to lose his looks.  Crawley looks 25.  Shatner was in his mid-30s, much younger than Mignogna is now, but loosing his looks - witness how much prettier he was on The Twilight Zone. 

Crawley never got over with me, and Mignogna did almost instantly.  I think something about being an aging pretty-boy deeply informs a good Kirk performance.

I have to disagree about Crawley - I think he really performs Kirk very well - though there's a touch too much Shatner for my taste.  Don't get me wrong, until his ego got involved, Shatner was a GREAT Kirk.  But knowing Jim as I do, (Valjiir version, of course  less dramatic pause-and-emphasis would serve much better.

I'll have to check out Mignogna again - nothing is really striking my memory about him.

[Valjiir1]

Depp also has a quality that I think a good Del would need; a pretty-boy that straight yard apes like me don't want to beat up on sight...

*snicker, snort!*  Jeremy is ALL over that suggestion!

[Buster's Uncle]

I have no idea what the joke there is.

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It's just that I never saw Kirk in New Voyages/Phase II, just a pretty kid pretending.  In Continues, I forget briefly that it's an impostor...

[Valka]

In the case of say, Kirk, not so much; a decent-looking white leading man will do, provided he can get the personality traits across.

Yep, just the right amounts of charm, arrogance, strength, intelligence, and vulnerability - plus he NEEDS a boyish grin.

I think much of the difference in success in James Crawley and Vic Mignogna's respective portrayals of Kirk have to do with age.  Mignogna is 51, I think, and beginning to lose his looks.  Crawley looks 25.  Shatner was in his mid-30s, much younger than Mignogna is now, but loosing his looks - witness how much prettier he was on The Twilight Zone. 

Crawley never got over with me, and Mignogna did almost instantly.  I think something about being an aging pretty-boy deeply informs a good Kirk performance.

I watched an episode of Phase II last night, and it bugged me all the way through as to who Cawley reminds me of. He's basically what you get if you stuff Kyle MacLachlan, Kirk Geiger, and Dan Gauthier into a transporter and set it to "scramble." (that's a combination of Paul Atreides, Kevin Buchanan from "One Life to Live" and an actor who also played Kevin Buchanan besides being in TNG). Something about the eyes... just really annoyed me that I couldn't figure out where I'd seen him before. He struck me as too young to be Kirk, especially in the scenes with Peter. He's too young to be the uncle of an adult officer, especially when we know that in-universe, Peter Kirk should still be a young teenager at most.

I disagree with your assessment of Vic Mignogna's looks. I have no idea what he looked like when he was younger, but he looks just fine to me as he is now!  When I watch one of his scenes, I don't think "fan film" - I think "Star Trek if they'd had to recast William Shatner."

[Buster's Uncle]

But Shatner wasn't ugly - he was just vain enough to be troubled by aging.  Kirk should be handsome -it's part of the charm- but not as pretty as Crawley.  I'll defer to the ladies, of course, on the subject of cute guys, but Mignogna seems to me like a very good-looking fellow (who knows it) on the cusp of losing it...  NOT, however, having lost it.

[Buster's Uncle]

Mylochka just got home, and she says the Depp is a lock for Del - and agrees that I win an internet for that one.     

[Valjiir1]

I have no idea what the joke there is.

Jeremy thinks both Del and Johnny Depp are more than F-I-N-E... Jer IS bisexual, you know....

It's just that I never saw Kirk in New Voyages/Phase II, just a pretty kid pretending.  In Continues, I forget briefly that it's an impostor...

*shrugs*

[Valka]

Ever since I saw pictures of Lane Gage, I couldn't help thinking of Timothy D. Stickney, who played R.J. Gannon in One Life to Live (with his hair pulled back, he looks even more a match):

[Buster's Uncle]

With a haircut, that is not a poor resemblance to the illos of him.  I'm beginning to think you like One Life to Live...

Jeremy thinks both Del and Johnny Depp are more than F-I-N-E... Jer IS bisexual, you know....

Yeah, it was the juxtaposition with my remark about the gay-bash impulse that threw me.  I knew Paget was Del's secret keeper, and in Sulu's drag club back in the day, where carnal knowledge of the evil leader was seemingly mandatory.  I have poked around your character outlines some - and of course looked at a lot of art.

All I've actually read of the stories that Mylochka had no hand in was the Iotian encounter a million years ago.  -And the version of The Mind Sifter in the book, of course.

Is it actually established that Jer likes a 20-21st century actor, or is that more the creator's knowledge of his tastes?

[Valka]

With a haircut, that is not a poor resemblance to the illos of him.  I'm beginning to think you like One Life to Live...

I was happily addicted to it for over 15 years. Would have been over 20, if I hadn't had to give up cable TV for several years. By the time I got it back, the storylines had moved so far beyond what I was familiar with, I let it go.

You should keep in mind, though, that some of my perceptions of the Valjiir characters were formed when I read the original print 'zines. Some of the characters look very different (to me, at least) when you compare the print illustrations and Mylochka's artwork.

[Buster's Uncle]

Right.

I followed the CBS soaps for roughly the 80s.

[Valka]

I still get a small OLTL fix since three of the actors moved over to General Hospital.

[Buster's Uncle]

I would miss my stories a lot more if all of them hadn't gotten so wretched before I dropped out...