Some help with a faction set

[ete]

Okay about Offense, and hm.. bigger bases may make more sense, though it does start to look a lot like Lal with double votes+size 9 bases. And I'd imagine these guys are pretty good at subverting opponents, at least as good as other baseline factions, so extra probe cost seems a bit odd, but they do need more of a penalty than just the Police considering they have four useful but not amazing bonuses.

Perhaps.. Penalty: Free Market would be fitting enough and useful for balance?

Balance reasoning: At -2 Police already, the drop to Police power from FM becomes much less significant and running FM is extremely appealing (I've tested this using the Dreams of Earth and New University Commonwealth). This makes FM an excessively good SE choice and makes their one major penalty irrelevant. Giving Penalty:Free Market would mean that these guys would have very serious worm problems under FM.

Flavor reasoning: They're fierce liberty defenders and in a free market economy would not allow their government to intervene at all in environmental matters, creating a tragedy of the commons on an even larger scale than other factions.

And no problem, it's fun trying to figure out how to balance these. Also, I look forward to finishing/improving my automatic faction power calculator using all these new and balanced factions people are making.

[Sigma]

Okay about Offense, and hm.. bigger bases may make more sense, though it does start to look a lot like Lal with double votes+size 9 bases. And I'd imagine these guys are pretty good at subverting opponents, at least as good as other baseline factions, so extra probe cost seems a bit odd, but they do need more of a penalty than just the Police considering they have four useful but not amazing bonuses.

Perhaps.. Penalty: Free Market would be fitting enough and useful for balance?

Balance reasoning: At -2 Police already, the drop to Police power from FM becomes much less significant and running FM is extremely appealing (I've tested this using the Dreams of Earth and New University Commonwealth). This makes FM an excessively good SE choice and makes their one major penalty irrelevant. Giving Penalty:Free Market would mean that these guys would have very serious worm problems under FM.

Flavor reasoning: They're fierce liberty defenders and in a free market economy would not allow their government to intervene at all in environmental matters, creating a tragedy of the commons on an even larger scale than other factions.

And no problem, it's fun trying to figure out how to balance these. Also, I look forward to finishing/improving my automatic faction power calculator using all these new and balanced factions people are making.

Clever idea with the Free Market penalty. If you think about who these people are, they are the ones who are most likely to suffer under a Free Market system vs a Planned (i.e. Socialist) system, which  was the whole point behind Occupy Wallstreet in the first place. If they go Free Market they'll tear themselves apart with social unrest.

I'll drop the Probe penalty in favor of that, and maybe abandon the Votes in exchange for Mind Control immunity. What do you think about that?

[ete]

Clever idea with the Free Market penalty. If you think about who these people are, they are the ones who are most likely to suffer under a Free Market system vs a Planned (i.e. Socialist) system, which  was the whole point behind Occupy Wallstreet in the first place. If they go Free Market they'll tear themselves apart with social unrest.

I'll drop the Probe penalty in favor of that, and maybe abandon the Votes in exchange for Mind Control immunity. What do you think about that?

That sounds good to me. MC immunity is a fairly big deal and may push them over to being mildly unbalanced, but it seems more fitting and would be a nice reason to use them, and differentiates them from Lal well. Worth trying them like this, and if they seem too strong drop some bonus? Maybe the Hab Complex thing?

[Sigma]

I'll do exactly that, yeah. For the leader I'm going to use one of my favorite actors, Chiwetel Ejiofor.

[Sigma]

Leviathan txt done!

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#LEVIA
Leviathan Body, The Populist, Leviathan, M, 1, Omar, M, 0, 0, 1, 0, 1,
TECH, Psych, SOCIAL, +GROWTH, SOCIAL, --POLICE, OFFENSE, 115, POPULATION, -2, MINDCONTROL, 0, PENALTY, FREE MARKET,
Politics, Democratic, GROWTH,
Politics, Police State, nil,
Leviathan, Leviathan,
Sharla, Johann, Freedom's March
Proctor, noble, radical, revolutionary, anarchistic,
Unhinged Anarchist
secure the rights and ongoing freedom of our followers
bring equality and freedom to every colonist on Planet
inciting mob violence to overthrow Planet's legitimate governments
incite mob violence to overthrow Planet's legitimate governments
your pestilent horde tears down every last vestiage of law and order on Planet
stirring his minions into a fervor over imagined injustices
stirring your minions into a fervor over imagined injustices
promoting anarchy
anarchist tendencies, M2
social rights movement, M1
crusade for social justice, M1
kickstart, M1
protecting the rights and freedoms of Planet's people
our Freedom Task Force
the Decree of Universal People's Rights

#BASES
Voice of the People
Huddled Masses
Slaves No Longer
Tooth and Nail
Unity Unchained
Declaration of Will
Farpoint Freehold
Freeman's Colony
Free City Zero
Rabble In Arms
Judgment of the People
Common Man's Battlefield
The Fallen Wall
Sic Semper Tyrannis
King's End Court
Working Class Hero
Price of Liberty
Equality Village
Shout and Be Heard
Heart of the Leviathan
Protest Quarters
Drumbeat of Humanity
Hall of Comradery
Just Cause
Men of the Earth
Call to Arms
Resistance Capitol
Speaker for the Masses
Sons of Men
Justice for All
Tribulation Square
Social Wellness Clinic
People's Dovecote
The Despot's Demise
Proletariat's Pride
Freedom University
#END

#WATERBASES
Sea of Humanity
Leviathan Cove
Tides of Change
Defiance Wharf
Port Revolution
Two if by Sea
The Rebel's Haven
Sink the Dictator
Surging Currents
#END

#BLURB
^  The proctor is not a leader or a commander. He is a speaker for
the teeming masses whose voice boils within a hardened prison,
whose jailors once called themselves their representatives. He does not
speak of his own originality, but so that through him what was
silenced may be heard and never again quieted.
^
^        -- Proctor Omar van Blum,
^           "Can You Hear the People Sing?"

#DATALINKS1
^LEADER: {Omar van Blum}
^BACKGROUND: {Republic of South Africa, Unity Passenger}
^AGENDA: {Universal Human Rights}
^TECH: {Social Psych}

#DATALINKS2
^+1 Growth:   {Populist movement gathers supporters}
^-2 POLICE:  {Distrust of law enforcement}
^+15% Offense {Activists willing to fight for cause}
^Can exceed Hab Complex requirements by 2
^Bases and Units cannot be Mind Controlled {Strong willed followers}
^Suffers double penalties from Free Market Economics
^{May not choose Police State Politics}


#FACTIONTRUCE
#xs 440
#caption $CAPTION7
"This Vendetta has brought pain and suffering to our people, $NAME1.
They yearn for a Blood Truce to end this pointless violence!"

"Our people must come first. I agree to your Truce."
"Ha! Your people may be whining, but my followers are loyal to the end!"

#FACTIONTREATY
#xs 440
#caption $CAPTION7
"$TITLE0 $NAME1, you have proven yourself a friend to the people and
an opponent to their oppression and subjugation. Won't you consider a
Treaty of Friendship so that our people may both prosper in unity?"

"$NAME3, our citizens will celebrate the day this Treaty was signed."
"You'd have me deposed and thrown into the Punishment Sphere within
the week, $NAME3. That isn't my definition of Friendship."

#ALIENFACTIONTRUCE
#xs 440
#caption $CAPTION7
"Your people cry out for peace, $NAME1! You must heed their voice or
you'll fall at their hands."

"Progenitor: hear followers call. Listen: desire Blood Truce"
"Voice: calls for death of $NAME3. Response: most convincing."

#ALIENFACTIONTREATY
#xs 440
#caption $CAPTION7
"$TITLE0 $NAME1, your people and mine are from different worlds, but
have common desires and needs, and both suffer the same injustices and
inequalities. As different as we are, we would welcome you as allies
with a Treaty of Friendship."

"Human: Progenitor: alike in many ways. Friendship: possible."
"Humans: do not understand Progenitor. Friendship: impossible."

# ; This line must remain at end of file

[ete]

You're missing a # in front of FACTIONTRUCE on the Technos which freezes the game on load.

Also it talks about the university in the comments bit at the top, maybe you want to edit that out.

[Sigma]

You're missing a # in front of FACTIONTRUCE on the Technos which freezes the game on load.

Also it talks about the university in the comments bit at the top, maybe you want to edit that out.

Oooh, good catch. I'll fix that.

[Geo]

Personally, I'd write ", nor a commander" in the faction leader blurb instead of "or a commander".

[Sigma]

How does this Diplomacy picture look?

[JarlWolf]

I like it: I can also make your buildings look like such if you want. Just give me the order and I'll whip it up for you.

[Sigma]

That could be nice. Can you keep the normal perimeter defenses though? I know you like to do alternate graphics for them in your pcxs but for these factions I want to go with the vanilla fences and energy barriers.

[JarlWolf]

Not a problem. I think walls will look better for this sort of set anyways.

[Sigma]

Blegh, the more I look at it the more I can make out the JPEG artifacts in the Diplomacy image. I think I'm going to need to find a new one.

[Sigma]

I reuploaded the Pilgrims txt because I noticed that it had the wrong tech. The correct tech should be Centauri Ecology.

[JarlWolf]

When I get back after my personal matter I will help you with the graphics more.