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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1725 on: July 26, 2016, 04:31:16 PM »
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I understand that many people here in this convention hall and around the country are disappointed about the final results of the nominating process. I think it’s fair to say that no one is more disappointed than I am. But to all of our supporters – here and around the country – I hope you take enormous pride in the historical accomplishments we have achieved.

 We only go around once, we may as well make history as we go around.

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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1726 on: July 26, 2016, 04:38:17 PM »
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‘Fear Not—She Means You No Harm,’ Says Elizabeth Warren, Revealing Docile Hillary Clinton To Crowd
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NEWS IN BRIEF
 July 25, 2016 
 Vol 52 Issue 29     
 Politics  ·  Politicians  ·  Hillary Clinton  ·  Election 2016   






PHILADELPHIA—Sending terrified gasps through the audience as she pulled back a thick velvet curtain onstage to reveal the formidable politician, Massachusetts senator Elizabeth Warren assured the thousands of progressive onlookers at the Democratic National Convention Monday night that the docile Hillary Clinton standing before them meant them no harm. “Ladies and gentlemen, there is no need to fear this candidate, for despite her menacing reputation, she will not attack you or your progressive movement,” said Warren, who then wowed those in attendance by signaling for the compliant Clinton to repeat a series of talking points about regulating financial institutions in an effort to prove that the presumptive Democratic nominee could easily be trained and was not roused into a horrible frenzy by the presence of radical reforms. “Despite the tales you may have heard, she is nothing but a tame, pragmatic Democrat. The terror she stirs inside you belies her true gentle nature. I assure you she is no threat to the policies you hold most dear.” At press time, Clinton had broken free from her iron restraints, ripped off both of Warren’s arms, and tossed the senator’s body into the crowd.

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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1727 on: July 26, 2016, 07:06:02 PM »
We watch by DVR, so as to be able to fast forward through commercials, analysts and boring speakers.

Bernie ran long, I didn't see the whole thing. What I saw was impassioned. So was his audience. Hard to imagine the same enthusiasm for Hillary, especially after she hired Debbie Wasserman-Shultz who got booed out of the place.

Warren was giving the "no bank is too big to fail speech" .  I don't think the Bernie delegates were buying that Hillary would take that approach to Goldman-Sachs.

Mrs. Obama was marvelous, and she refrained from Malania jokes. I couldn't have resisted the opportunity myself. Good for her going out on the high road.


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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1728 on: July 26, 2016, 07:13:45 PM »
I happen to have asked my wimminz half an hour ago if anyone in the room could name a single indiscretion on the part of Mrs. Obama, ever.  Goose egg, and I've actually been known to criticize Mother Teresa before.

I say this aware that youse righties won't have to exert yourselves real hard to think of something that you deem counts -there have been one or two statements the right tried a little to make something of, though I do not recall what she said- but I'm confident it's pretty trivial and won't be disappointed if no one tries, really.  I was told she was magnificent last night, to zero surprise on my part.

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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1729 on: July 26, 2016, 07:54:17 PM »
I happen to have asked my wimminz half an hour ago if anyone in the room could name a single indiscretion on the part of Mrs. Obama, ever.  Goose egg, and I've actually been known to criticize Mother Teresa before.

I say this aware that youse righties won't have to exert yourselves real hard to think of something that you deem counts -there have been one or two statements the right tried a little to make something of, though I do not recall what she said- but I'm confident it's pretty trivial and won't be disappointed if no one tries, really.  I was told she was magnificent last night, to zero surprise on my part.


She is a great political wife.  Kind.  Polite.  Funny.  Personable.

The only thing that I can remember about her that was a negative was about 2 years ago I think.  She was in a Target store, acting like a regular person (not the first lady).  The only person who came up and talked to her was someone who asked her to get something off a high shelf.  (She is like 5'11" IIRC).  She gave that as an example of racism.  Not an example of helping someone who is short, but specifically as an example of how people treat her because she is black.  IIRC this was from an interview she gave to People magazine.  I remember it made sound bites on radio & TV for a few days until someone else did something that took over the national news (must have been a slow couple of days).

I don't know if her perspective is that skewed, or if she was just stretching to try to find some relevance racism, or if there was a lot more that wasn't reported. 

Doing a quick google search  http://www.people.com/article/barack-obama-michelle-obama-ferguson-racism-racial-profiling-interview
nothing else in the actual article about missing info - it was in people magazine after all, so just a fluff article in a fluff magazine.
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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1730 on: July 26, 2016, 08:07:44 PM »
I have no quibbles with your observations here - that doesn't sound great, as far as it goes, but you treat it fairly and I agree.  -I totally remember her making Mr. & Mrs. Bush Jr. both look like midgets when they showed her around the White house on their way out...

-I do have the vague idea that there was some small fuss in the news briefly several years ago over something she said --- visiting a primary school or something.  No recall whatsoever what was said, it was so outrageous in my eyes, but very young children ISTR being part of the context of where she was...

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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1731 on: July 26, 2016, 08:16:00 PM »
-And to be perfectly clear, I'm not really trying to claim she's perfect - I'm really just pointing out how little she's ever given the people who hate Mr. Bakrama SO much any opening to even try to gin up any fake scandals.  It's really astonishing how well she's walked that line.  I'm honestly impressed, and that's not political side-taking, just, wow, she. is. good.

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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1732 on: July 26, 2016, 09:25:11 PM »
Hey - department of fairness moment: given the stuff I've said recently on the topic of ginned-up fake scandals recently mostly WRT Mrs. Clinton and the President, I have to say this - Laura Ingram; that was rank bullcrap last week, she was waving at the balcony or something, and let's not go for such low-hanging fruit unless we write for The Onion or it was at least The Pig himself doing it.  That was a cheap shot and nothing but a contemptible cheap shot that anyone but professional comedians talking about in public except to dismiss it were showing their butts.  Not.  Cool.

Note that I classify Ms. Ingram as a "blonde republican harpy" -one of the usually attractive-looking blonde women who say appalling things about current events on TV for a living; they're a thing since Fox- and am not saying this as a fanboi, but it's just the truth.  Just waving, and making a thing of that wasn't okay...

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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1733 on: July 26, 2016, 11:45:11 PM »
My only beef with Mrs. Obama had to do with her redesign of the national school lunch program with the honorable intent of controlling calories to prevent obesity. The trouble is it tended to be a one size fits all, and didn't allow for the needs of athletes , farm kids, or  those undergoing a growth spurt. After all, the original purpose of the school lunch program was to see that kids weren't hungry. Hungry kids don't learn as well.

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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1734 on: July 27, 2016, 12:22:57 AM »
That's ringing a tiny bell - may well be the thing I was thinking of...

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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1735 on: July 27, 2016, 12:35:04 AM »
Oh - and before that last post, I happened to be upstairs watching when Senator Sanders moved that Mrs. Clinton be voted the nominee unanimously.  Always a class act, that Bernie.

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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1736 on: July 27, 2016, 03:25:52 AM »
Here are  Gary's latest comments about Bernie...and Hillary ( he usually doesn't speak much about her ). I'll just quote the lead, not the whole opinion piece. As Gary often explains, he's in 73% agreement with Bernie on Isidewith.com

https://medium.com/@GovGaryJohnson/bernie-bit-the-cronies-and-they-bit-back-bf38335e08e3#.ff5xclj6l

Gov. Gary Johnson
Two-term Governor of New Mexico and 2016 Libertarian candidate for President

8 hrs ago·3 min read

Bernie Bit the Cronies, and They Bit Back

Senator Bernie Sanders went after cronyism…and the cronies struck back. We all suspected it, but thanks to a Wikileaks data dump, now we KNOW it.

From a built-in cushion of immovable, unelected “Super Delegates” to debates scheduled when no one was watching to the now clearly-documented collusion between the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton campaign, the system was rigged to squash any rebellion against the Democratic Establishment.

Bernie is a disrupter. The system doesn’t like disrupters…because disruption threatens the fruits of cronyism. He couldn’t be bought. He couldn’t even be rented. He offered a voice for the Millennials who are an inconvenience for the special interests who have, for too long, controlled Washington DC. He became a symbol for the rejection of business-as-usual.





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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1737 on: July 27, 2016, 04:35:46 AM »
https://alibertarianfuture.com/2016-election/poll-gary-johnson-26-utah-three-points-overtaking-[Sleezebag]/

Poll: Gary Johnson At 26% In Utah, Three Points From Overtaking [Sleezebag]
— Published on July 23, 2016  — in 2016  — by J. Wilson

In order to become President of the United States a candidate must win a majority of electoral college votes. The magic number is 270 and in a two way race that number is easily achievable – either one or the other will make it. Although, in a three way race things get more complicated. If no candidate reaches 270 the election is sent to the House of Representatives for a vote. Therefore, all a third party candidate has to do is keep the other two under 270. Gary Johnson might be the first third party candidate who can accomplish that. A recent poll found Gary Johnson at 26% in Utah, only three points behind Donald [Sleezebag].

Despite being one of the darkest red states in the country, Utah is also one of the most anti-[Sleezebag]. During the Republican primaries, it handed Ted Cruz one of his largest victories. The Texas Senator won every county and 69% of the vote – his second highest percentage after Wyoming. [Sleezebag] only managed 14% – his second lowest showing after Wyoming. It was one of the largest margins between the candidates throughout the entire primary season.

The anti-[Sleezebag] sentiment hasn’t died down since Utah’s March caucus. The state is still adamantly opposed to Donald [Sleezebag] and looking for a way out this November. Unlike other segments of the Republican base, Mormons didn’t fall for his feigned Republicanism. Furthermore, they’ve been looking for another option for some time now. A poll taken earlier this summer found a generic third party candidate getting more 35% of the vote. Although, when there’s no name that percentage is noticeably higher.

However, when a name was put next to the third option the percentage didn’t drop that far. Gary Johnson still took 26% of the vote which is his highest showing yet. Other state polls have found Johnson in the high double digits before, but this is his first time in the twenties. With that strong base of support there is a real path to victory in Utah. Although it’s hard to work out a scenario wherein winning only Utah could keep the other two under 270, when you add it with New Mexico, it is doable. Gary Johnson could very well be the first third party candidate to throw the election into the House in centuries.

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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1738 on: July 27, 2016, 06:45:26 AM »
Here's one in it' entirety that makes T rump look bad. There are plenty of articles on this subject.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/07/06/five-questions-we-still-cant-answer-about-donald-trumps-charity-donations/?tid=a_inl


Post Politics

Five questions we still can’t answer about Donald T rump’s charity donations
By David A. Fahrenthold July 6 


For weeks now, The Washington Post has been trying to prove Donald T rump right about something important.

So far, we’ve failed.

The Post has been trying to confirm a claim that T rump and his campaign staff have made repeatedly: that the mogul has given millions of dollars of his own money to charities.

First, The Post looked in public records.

The proof wasn’t there.

Indeed, the tax filings of the Donald J. T rump Foundation — which T rump set up in 1987 to give away his money — show no gifts from T rump himself since 2008. (Filings since then show that all the new money in T rump’s foundation was supplied by other donors. T rump still chooses how to give it away.)

The Post then looked through an internal list compiled by T rump’s campaign, which said the tally showed $102 million in charitable gifts from T rump.

The proof wasn’t there, either.
The gifts on that list turned out to include “conservation easements” on T rump properties — agreements on land use — and thousands of free rounds of golf, given away by T rump’s courses. T rump’s campaign confirmed that not one dollar of the $102 million was a cash gift from him.

T rump’s staff insisted that those personal gifts existed — but T rump wouldn’t provide any details about them. “There’s no way for you to know or understand what those gifts are or when they are made,” T rump spokeswoman Hope Hicks told BuzzFeed, which has also investigated T rump’s charity.

So The Post looked for evidence of those personal donations, surveying 207 charities (so far) that seemed to have the closest ties to T rump. These were groups to which T rump had given T rump Foundation money, charities he’d written about in his books, charities he’d praised on Twitter — and charities that honored T rump at a charity ball. The firm DonorSearch also provided its database, which includes records of more than 101 million charitable gifts.

All of that turned up just one personal donation — made by T rump, using his own money — during a period of more than seven years.

That was the stretch between 2008, when T rump made his last personal donation to his own foundation, and May of this year — when T rump, under pressure, fulfilled a vow to give $1 million to a veterans’ charity.

The one gift in that stretch went to the Police Athletic League of New York City.

It was worth less than $10,000. It happened in 2009. And there’s a chance it’s actually a bookkeeping error.

As a new week begins, here are the questions we still haven’t been able to answer:

1. Before that $1 million gift to a veterans’ charity in May, when was the last time T rump gave a dollar of his own money to charity?

T rump himself could answer this question but hasn’t. T rump could also release his tax returns, which could detail his charitable giving. He hasn’t. T rump’s staffers have not responded to calls and emails asking for a list of his personal gifts, leaving The Post to build its own list of the mogul’s favorite charities.

On Sunday, T rump’s son, Eric T rump — who runs a charity of his own, the Eric T rump Foundation — denounced The Post’s reporting in an AM radio interview. “Charity is such a big part of our company and of our lives. My father has contributed so much to what I’ve done. He contributes so much to every charity,” Eric T rump said in an interview reported by The Hill newspaper.

But since then, Eric T rump has not provided details to back up those claims.

2. If Donald T rump didn’t donate millions to charity, what became of the $8.5 million-plus he’d promised to give away?

Since 2001, T rump has made repeated promises to give away the proceeds of various ventures: the “Apprentice” TV show; two books; T rump University; and a tent rental to Libyan strongman Moammar Gaddafi. These promises added up to more than $8.5 million in potential donations.

T rump’s lawyers have already said that his personal proceeds from T rump University — estimated by the New York attorney general at $5 million — were eaten up by legal fees. None went to charity. As for the rest of it: If it didn’t go to charity, where did it go?

3. Has Donald T rump ever donated his own money to the Eric T rump Foundation?

The Post included the Eric T rump Foundation on its list of 202 charities, calling and emailing to ask when Donald T rump had last given a personal gift. But the Eric T rump Foundation has not responded to repeated inquiries.

It seems likely that, if Donald T rump gave his own money to any charity, that charity would be his son’s. But so far, neither Donald T rump nor Eric T rump have offered evidence to confirm that. Tax documents, in fact, show money going the other way. In 2014, Eric T rump's charity paid $87,700 to Donald T rump's golf course in Loudoun County, Va., as payment to use the course for an Eric T rump Foundation fundraiser.

 



4. Did Donald T rump ever give any money to the ALS Association after taking part in its “Ice Bucket Challenge” fundraiser campaign in 2014?

In the midst of the “Ice Bucket Challenge” craze of 2014, T rump filmed a video on the roof of T rump Tower, with Miss Universe and Miss USA dousing him in T rump water. The video now has more than 2.2 million views on YouTube. In one short clip, T rump touted himself, his pageant and his water, while associating himself with a popular charitable cause.

But the point of the Ice Bucket Challenge wasn’t brand-building or YouTube views. It was to raise money for ALS research.

The Donald J. T rump Foundation, however, gave nothing to the ALS Association in the year of T rump’s ice bucket video. Did T rump, perhaps, give a personal gift instead? The ALS Association says it can’t answer that question without T rump’s permission. So far, he hasn’t given it.

5. What happened to this football helmet?

In 2012, at a charity auction in Florida, T rump won a bidding war for gear donated by then-Denver Broncos quarterback Tim Tebow: a jersey and a signed helmet. The winning bid, $12,000, would be paid to the Susan G. Komen organization, a breast cancer charity.

But T rump didn’t pay with his own money.

Instead, he used money from the Donald J. T rump Foundation — funds meant for charity and largely donated by other people.

IRS experts have said T rump may have violated rules against “self-dealing,” which are designed to keep a charity’s leaders from using their nonprofit to help themselves. The key question is: What happened to the helmet and jersey? If T rump still has the gear in his possession — perhaps on display at one of his buildings — he may have broken the rules.

If he gave them to another charity, he may be in the clear. But the value of the gear has severely declined, along with Tebow’s football career: Today, a signed helmet and jersey can be bought online for about $415.




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Re: US Presidential Contenders
« Reply #1739 on: July 27, 2016, 02:45:36 PM »
Here are  Gary's latest comments about Bernie...and Hillary ( he usually doesn't speak much about her ). I'll just quote the lead, not the whole opinion piece. As Gary often explains, he's in 73% agreement with Bernie on Isidewith.com

https://medium.com/@GovGaryJohnson/bernie-bit-the-cronies-and-they-bit-back-bf38335e08e3#.ff5xclj6l

Gov. Gary Johnson
Two-term Governor of New Mexico and 2016 Libertarian candidate for President

8 hrs ago·3 min read

Bernie Bit the Cronies, and They Bit Back

Senator Bernie Sanders went after cronyism…and the cronies struck back. We all suspected it, but thanks to a Wikileaks data dump, now we KNOW it.

From a built-in cushion of immovable, unelected “Super Delegates” to debates scheduled when no one was watching to the now clearly-documented collusion between the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton campaign, the system was rigged to squash any rebellion against the Democratic Establishment.

Bernie is a disrupter. The system doesn’t like disrupters…because disruption threatens the fruits of cronyism. He couldn’t be bought. He couldn’t even be rented. He offered a voice for the Millennials who are an inconvenience for the special interests who have, for too long, controlled Washington DC. He became a symbol for the rejection of business-as-usual.

If we want our votes for a presidential candidate to matter in the actual election, than we must abolish the electoral college and implement a free voting system! The change in election process would cause a transition of the country from a representative republic into a democratic republic. The current two party system arises from the presence of winner take all general elections (aka the person with the majority of votes wins the entire seat), and the replacement of the majority wins all position with a plural vote system would allow for the representation of third parties in the government.
I loved Bernie with his socialist ideals until he confessed and kissed the Hildabeast. I cannot tolerate the Hildabeast or [Sleezebag]
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