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Offline JarlWolf

Re: 7 custom faction for Smacx
« Reply #300 on: November 12, 2013, 09:34:10 PM »
...and Russia became (part of) a Commonwealth... ;cute

A Russian Commonwealth, which already exists. The Commonwealth of Independent States, or CIS is already the real world equivalent of that.

In the storyline, that would mean that Russia would just absorb/attract satellite states. Of which, in reality we have already done, again. Georgia and other nations are already under our control/dependent on us.


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Offline ariete

Re: 7 custom faction for Smacx
« Reply #301 on: November 13, 2013, 02:43:10 PM »
it's my mod just because i've start to talkin about dear friend. i wanna listen what do you know and what do you think, what for you happen in next-no far future, i think is a curious discussion, everyone can have a different vision and i wanna reflect on it rather than go at full speed on my way. thank you jarl for your answer and costructive opinions, i really appreciated, and i'm glad this project have a certain appeal on you.

so the collapse of the democracies and the fracture of those states in military power nations ... interesting vision and so possible, as the dispotic drift of what pull out from american civil wars. i'm going to revisited my ideas about union and commonwealth.
we can do a faction called COMMONWEALTH OF NATIONS which refer to a one alliance of nations pull out by the fracturation of europe, australia, new zeland, canada, uk, US and their dominions, and other one called confederation or federation of the states, or of the nation, which is the counter part of the same places (europe, america, oceania).
how do you feel in divide the ''west world''? canada could divide itself in england and francophone culture, united states again in north and south (i think the economic discrepancy of the last civil war are not properly filled, but we should ask to Uncle) or more, maybe in south africa, australia and new zeland natives races are going to fight the white leader minorities, ...
europe digregation will be the more massive, some states will go to join their self in the two block of alliances described above, other join in a own independentist group of peoples.
for russia and its satellites i've thinked to EMPIRE OF THE BEAR, but the expert of russia are you jarl ...

Offline JarlWolf

Re: 7 custom faction for Smacx
« Reply #302 on: November 14, 2013, 12:50:38 AM »
On the note of Russia, the likelihood of an empire or monarchy rising is dramatically slim. You might as well try to install a Mussolini clone in Italy or re-found the Roman empire in terms of likelihood.

People, while the Soviet Union has fell, socialist support is still VERY high in my country and even if one is not socialist, the respect for the October revolution and the Soviet revolutionaries in general against the Tsar and the White Army is still and will be prevalent for a number of years. A high amount of tradition and respect is stemmed in that revolution and I don't think that people will replace that with the very thing that fought against.

If you want a realistic replacement for the Russian Federation as it currently stands, either a Nationalist party with huge military controls will take power to create a Eurasian Alliance/Federation, which would be in practice a nationalist regime focused on the growth of Russia and her allies.

The other replacement, and in some aspects, more positive, would be a democratic socialist regime that is trying to turn the tide of conflict in it's neighbours and its banding it's former satellites and allies together to protect themselves against the PRC/China and other nations, and protect their interests. Maybe even help stabilize/expand to Europe under the guise and methods of peacekeeping.

But an empire forming is a fat chance, especially one that is so stereotyped (no offence) ;lol

I don't know much about the British commonwealth nations TOO much, but I can tell you right now that the natives in many of those nations, Australia in particular, are minorities in terms of population and many at the current moment face drug addiction problems, corruption on reserves, etc. And this is from me speaking with an actual Australian mind.

Maybe these nations had problems with nationalist seperatists though... either native/francophone... but that'd need some research I'd think.


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Offline ariete

Re: 7 custom faction for Smacx
« Reply #303 on: November 14, 2013, 10:14:00 AM »
You might as well try to install a Mussolini clone in Italy or re-found the Roman empire in terms of likelihood.

maybe ... but the political wings here, last save anchorage against the economic banking power of ''united europe'', like in all europe states, think to divide national territories and re-paint geographic charte changing territorial analogy; anyway the return to a glorious past of independence is the objective of a close federation of european peoples.

Offline ariete

Re: 7 custom faction for Smacx
« Reply #304 on: November 14, 2013, 10:26:43 AM »
People, while the Soviet Union has fell, socialist support is still VERY high in my country and even if one is not socialist, the respect for the October revolution and the Soviet revolutionaries in general against the Tsar and the White Army is still and will be prevalent for a number of years. A high amount of tradition and respect is stemmed in that revolution and I don't think that people will replace that with the very thing that fought against.

i know jarl, russian haven't never denying its own history. i listen putin during the last anniversary of the german defeat in the world war and he substantially said comunism is our proud history but not can be our present. i think russia is now a sort of national-socialistic in ''democratic'' presidential form (no comment about adjective 'democratic', every country develop its form and doesn't exist one better of other, it's all releated to contest and territorial peculiarities).


If you want a realistic replacement for the Russian Federation as it currently stands, either a Nationalist party with huge military controls will take power to create a Eurasian Alliance/Federation, which would be in practice a nationalist regime focused on the growth of Russia and her allies.

i've thinked to that on the remains of 'united russia', i thinked to empire in remember of old tsaristic or soviet glories ... i don't understand what you wanted mean with this phrase
But an empire forming is a fat chance, especially one that is so stereotyped (no offence) ;lol

Offline ariete

Re: 7 custom faction for Smacx
« Reply #305 on: November 14, 2013, 10:38:24 AM »
I don't know much about the British commonwealth nations TOO much, but I can tell you right now that the natives in many of those nations, Australia in particular, are minorities in terms of population and many at the current moment face drug addiction problems, corruption on reserves, etc. And this is from me speaking with an actual Australian mind.

Maybe these nations had problems with nationalist seperatists though... either native/francophone... but that'd need some research I'd think.

we've decied for the collapse of the democracies so no britain commonwealth. i've thinked like this, tell me if you like : west world is going to divide it self in two main block of alliance, the COMMONWEALTH, governed by an interplanetary multinational company which group the ex-rich-democratic states (like north east of US), more police use but the same consumist conception for the wealth of subsidiaries companies, and the CONFEDERATION, governed by military junta which group the ex-democratic states like southern states of america, south america, maybe australia, india ... how do you feel these two?? you prefer to restore a britain commonwealth for a more ww2 mod ? ;lol (i've start the idea from this, but then i wondered how actualize to be more appropriate idea)

Offline JarlWolf

Re: 7 custom faction for Smacx
« Reply #306 on: November 14, 2013, 11:42:21 AM »
People, while the Soviet Union has fell, socialist support is still VERY high in my country and even if one is not socialist, the respect for the October revolution and the Soviet revolutionaries in general against the Tsar and the White Army is still and will be prevalent for a number of years. A high amount of tradition and respect is stemmed in that revolution and I don't think that people will replace that with the very thing that fought against.

i know jarl, russian haven't never denying its own history. i listen putin during the last anniversary of the german defeat in the world war and he substantially said comunism is our proud history but not can be our present. i think russia is now a sort of national-socialistic in ''democratic'' presidential form (no comment about adjective 'democratic', every country develop its form and doesn't exist one better of other, it's all releated to contest and territorial peculiarities).


If you want a realistic replacement for the Russian Federation as it currently stands, either a Nationalist party with huge military controls will take power to create a Eurasian Alliance/Federation, which would be in practice a nationalist regime focused on the growth of Russia and her allies.

i've thinked to that on the remains of 'united russia', i thinked to empire in remember of old tsaristic or soviet glories ... i don't understand what you wanted mean with this phrase
But an empire forming is a fat chance, especially one that is so stereotyped (no offence) ;lol

When I read empire, I am presuming you meant an empire ruled by a monarch/king, or if you will, tsar.

The current political party under Putin, United Russia is falling out of favour, the only reason they do remain in power is that they meddle with the votes and essentially have their sponsors buy out area's. A lot of corruption comes into play.

And in terms of re-living old "glories" that's what the nationalist replacement gov't would be in a sense, and it'd be a more extremist version of the current party. It'd focus on direct military expansion and such.

While the Socialist Democracy would take a more diplomatic approach, gathering allies economically and diplomatically to stem the tide of other powers.


As for the split with Western nation's, I don't think it'd be that linear and polarized. I can see a lot of military dictatorships arising in the United States due to how big and bloated their military is. Canada and Australia on the other hand would have, what I am guessing, provisional gov'ts trying to retain their own systems while fighting ethnic nationalist rebels and maybe even outsiders. The new American military states and such, (of which there would probably be more then one) would maybe invade Canada, Russia may become involved even as well due to Arctic interests, and as for Australia, Indonesia and the PRC are very real threats, as both nations, each alone, Indonesia even could easily stomp Australia's military and conquer it within a years worth period or less if the United States was not around to help it.

Of course, this is your mod and you are free to do as you please, but if you want it to be semi-realistic you'll probably want to base your info on current geo-political climes and the nature of those area's.

It's sort of like a weather forecast, I can say that there is going to be 19 meters of snowfall that will hit Florence during the month of July, but that sounds outright crazy. If I look into local weather patterns however, I get to see a picture of how stuff can actually happen in the future/near future.





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Offline ariete

Re: 7 custom faction for Smacx
« Reply #307 on: November 14, 2013, 12:40:18 PM »
When I read empire, I am presuming you meant an empire ruled by a monarch/king, or if you will, tsar.

ah ok, no just the name but maybe it's wrong, you prefer federation of the bear (or something else)


And in terms of re-living old "glories" that's what the nationalist replacement gov't would be in a sense, and it'd be a more extremist version of the current party. It'd focus on direct military expansion and such.

i'm thinking exactly about this


While the Socialist Democracy would take a more diplomatic approach, gathering allies economically and diplomatically to stem the tide of other powers.

i hadn't ignored this your second hypothesis of russia, but the first seemed to me more realistic, and more intriguing from the point of view of game, over democracies collapsed in all world as failed political government being replaced by corporations or military juntas


As for the split with Western nation's, I don't think it'd be that linear and polarized. I can see a lot of military dictatorships arising in the United States due to how big and bloated their military is. Canada and Australia on the other hand would have, what I am guessing, provisional gov'ts trying to retain their own systems while fighting ethnic nationalist rebels and maybe even outsiders. The new American military states and such, (of which there would probably be more then one) would maybe invade Canada, Russia may become involved even as well due to Arctic interests, and as for Australia, Indonesia and the PRC are very real threats, as both nations, each alone, Indonesia even could easily stomp Australia's military and conquer it within a years worth period or less if the United States was not around to help it.

so you wouldn't divided US in richest (under corporations) and ''arrears'' (under military) ... i know is not properly correct polarize the multitude but we have just 7 facs and we must reproduce the world, and then united it's more strong expecially in a space challenge. i felt quite consistent this division (under corporation i'd put also nations as england, under military junte i'd put also nations of latin america)

popular front a part, because this seems not have any trouble in our consciences  :D, what you're going to add and how you call them??


Offline JarlWolf

Re: 7 custom faction for Smacx
« Reply #309 on: November 14, 2013, 11:08:58 PM »
The first link, the article is quite... biased to say the least. Sure, economic growth has happened but it's only because socialist policies have been re-adapted to a certain regard. And keep in mind, not all of that money goes to the State or normal people. Lot's of that money ends up in the hands of Oligarchs and criminals, and the underworld is vast and powerful here. There is growth, but the disparity between rich and poor is very staggering here, and the corruption in this country is very problematic.

A socialist democracy isn't far fetched. The public support leans more toward it then a nationalist regime, quite frankly.


Also, if you do go for the Nationalist Regime, drop the "Bear" part. It's like calling an Italian empire/confederacy "The Empire of Spaghetti" or "The Spaghetti Confederacy."

It's too stereotypical to take serious.

As for the United States, if you needed one faction they'd either go the route of Theocracy Miriam style and then add on a Fascist junta: Military commanders ruling the populace with corporations backing them up and funding them.

I wouldn't be corporate ruled, rather corporate run military police states.


It'd be combined, because the military and the Corps don't differ in interests, in fact they often correlate. Military research, funding, warfare, supplies and logistics all open up markets for corporations, and not only that, military conquest brings resources and business opportunities. War itself is even profitable with mercenary contracts and warzone investments: That is, literally investing in the Arms and munitions companies and manufacturers and all of the related supplies and logistics needed to fund and maintain a warzone.

An Iron fist consumerist state watched over by the military, paid by the corporations.


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Offline ariete

Re: 7 custom faction for Smacx
« Reply #310 on: November 15, 2013, 12:04:55 PM »
bear is get out when i try to resolve the question of the secondary logo. what is the animal which better represent the great russia? nationalistic party of putin use it for its logo, changing from bear to polar bear. what symbol you're going to use for identify russia?

a tipical genre of movie was called 'spaghetti western', why spaghetti could represent italy? because food is the thing we can do best of all, what it distinguish us from the rest of the world and this give us unique. anyway empire of spaghetti is ridiculus because in this case we can associate to italy other symbols, but i don't thing is the same with bear about russia jarl ...


russia will be the new champion of freedom and justice for the peoples (so in this case russia take the name of commonwealth), or append to the global situation releasing its imperialist or nationalist character, or the colapse also here, and the richest states became buyed by oligarchs while other join to the military confederacy and the far-eastern in popular front ... in first i've prefered look the united strong russia
« Last Edit: November 15, 2013, 12:30:15 PM by ariete »

Offline ariete

Re: 7 custom faction for Smacx
« Reply #311 on: November 15, 2013, 12:15:30 PM »
i look good the fact for which western world became substantially divided in 2 blocks

- corporations in north-east states of america and england, will buy everything, army too, building a sort of economic despotism (police states or as you said an Iron fist consumerist state watched over by the military, paid by the corporations.)

- ''fascist'' military juntas in south america, mexico and the southern states of US. with more power tendence





just to try to resume a bit (if you have any idea in changing name tell me):

popular front

commonwealth of nations

confederacy of states

empire of the rising sun

islamic caliphate

and then i've thinked 'federation of the bear' (but you think is a stereotype) and something of strictly europe

Offline JarlWolf

Re: 7 custom faction for Smacx
« Reply #312 on: November 16, 2013, 02:09:14 AM »
The Bear is a good SYMBOL, but not a name. Use it for faction symbol, and have name be the Eurasian Federation.


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Offline ariete

Re: 7 custom faction for Smacx
« Reply #313 on: November 16, 2013, 08:54:54 AM »
commonwealth of nations

(north east Us, canada, england, and minors)



value wealth

acquatic fac

tech flexibility, indust

- EFFIC corruption and wastes

+ ECON maximization of profits

- GROWTH low birth rate culture

- PROBE people are susceptible to infiltration

+ POLICE corporative despotism

+ MORALE professional of war and contractors

despite being a sort of monopoly unrestrained, a minimum of environmental sensitivity is, however, typical of this culture so i don't touch that value ... what do you think about whole??
« Last Edit: November 24, 2013, 01:11:36 PM by ariete »

Offline Geo

Re: 7 custom faction for Smacx
« Reply #314 on: November 16, 2013, 09:33:29 AM »
- EFFIC some corruption and squandering of resources

+ ECON eager to get the extra buck

- GROWTH the extra buck is more important then family life

- PROBE susceptible to shady advertisements

+ POLICE corporate despotism

+ MORALE well-trained security contractors

Try this. :D

 

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