Dragon Ball / heroic adventure fiction / comics

[Buster's Uncle]

...No dice.  Now I learn that I reviewed a season ender in the OP.

[Rusty Edge]

I made and put the avatar on von, 'cause I caught the name.  He is familiar with the series.

Bet it was Waid and Ross' homage to that dude.  Slovenian is too much of a coincidence - von Bach talked German, but I'm told bad German, and was actually Yugoslavian...

I figured "von Bach" a tribute to the panzer general ( or was it field marshal ?) 

I'm obviously out of my depth here, I rarely had money for comic books. I was probably saving for electric train stuff. I took Wonder Woman as an incarnation of Athena. I recall seeing a vintage cover on the internet of her with a spear, around 2000. Is that more or less phallic than a spear?

[Buster's Uncle]

I said earlier that I deem a spear definitely more phallic than a sword, didn't I?

No, she was all Aphrodite, all the time, originally, w/o any of the naked funtime.  That has moderated a lot over the years, and I understand she's currently a demigoddess daughter of Zeus is how she got born and where her powers mostly come from...

[Rusty Edge]

I said earlier that I deem a spear definitely more phallic than a sword, didn't I?

No, she was all Aphrodite, all the time, originally, w/o any of the naked funtime.  That has moderated a lot over the years, and I understand she's currently a demigoddess daughter of Zeus is how she got born and where her powers mostly come from...

I don't remember. I'm home now , catching up on stuff. Tomorrow is a major doctor appointment for my dad, which will probably determine the date of the next surgery. Then...we'll figure out the terms of my next return to PA.

Aphrodite... Fooled me. My second guess would have been Diana.

My thoughts aren't appearing on the page very faithfully. I think I'll sign off for the night. Good to see you again, Buncle. Hoping for a better tomorrow.

[Buster's Uncle]

Me too.  I get it - too much to read all at once.

I think if you skim through the whole thread, when you have time, looking for Wonder Woman talk, many of your questions have already been answered...

Dianna wouldn't be bad.  Or Vestia, even.  Maybe.

[Buster's Uncle]

Hey Uno, back on Piccolo - easiest way to get him back in the first rank of power for good would be to merge him with someone like Lord Slug; then you could go back to playing with him being tempted by a bad nature, too...

[Buster's Uncle]

Better way to buff him?

I figure King Piccolo being able to kill Shenlong the Eternal Dragon with a single shot was nothing to do with powerlevel, but because he was half Shenlong's creator.  His nameless good half -Kami being a title, not a name- was God, and I figure there was a symmetry in the powers of office that Kami assumed that made King Piccolo an actual demon king.  I think KP is more interesting that way, than merely amnesiac split Namekian.

Piccolo ought to have an affinity for magic, in other words, maybe not actually doing it, but as a wellspring of power (and also other story possibilities, me missing the fantasy tone of Dragon Ball in all the later series)...

[Unorthodox]

I'm so far removed from where the series has gone, I can't even comment. 

[Buster's Uncle]

Oh - this isn't GT or Super stuff.  Even if you never watched Dragon Ball plain, with Piccolo Jr.'s origin, this is good stuff - he's the Son Of The Devil, also God --- and also Nail.  Lots could be done with who Nail was, you know, without even getting away from the assumption that he was mostly just a Hero.


Do you realize that he could have not been really reformed until he merged with Nail?

[Vishniac]

...he's the Son Of The Devil...

That's cool!

But is it as cool as:


I've never read it but now that I see this, I definetly should.

This cover with only the hand of Satan to be seen could have been an inspiration for another devil-inspired work:

[Unorthodox]

What’s the latter there?

(Groan worthy son design imo)

[Vishniac]

What’s the latter there?

Prince of Darkness.

[Buster's Uncle]

Is that supposed to be Hector Alezondo on the poster?

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Daimon Helstrom, The Son of Satan?  I never read his short-lived early 70s Marvel series, but gather it wasn't very good - though Uno might have liked it a little for obvious reasons, and I daresay I might like it a lot if it was reasonably competent, because it's a story about a man with a bad nature trying to be good anyway - and I'm an absolute sucker  for redemption narratives, having tried to live one since the mid 90s IRL.

He was kinda-sorta a major player in the Defenders, sometimes even the quite-adequate magic guy when Dr. Strange wasn't there - but somehow, I sense, mostly bowdlerized in that book, not all that evil inside - though he talked of little else, he was too in control of his 'Darksoul', ultimately...

There was a short-but-pretty-good -I hear- solo series in the mid-90s, an early Warren Ellis comic that was so desperately-trying-to-be-Vertigo that I understand it succeed, if only it had BEEN a DC Vertigo book and/or lasted long enough to find its audience...  Definitely an Uno comic, if he likes the Vertigo style...

-I don't think anything significant has been done with him in over 20 years, or I'd have heard - my regular nets patrol includes some comics sites, and I somewhat keep up that way.  I could supply some link to summaries w/ pics of that last series if anyone's curious...

[Vishniac]

Is that supposed to be Hector Alezondo on the poster?

Donald Pleasance
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The Son of Satan is emblematic of the 70s when Marvel had some strange horror series.

When I started reading Marvel Comics, we had 2 editors here:
- one would be the most popular with normal-size comics in color but I learned later they heavily censored violence (Rom the space knight, Daredevil by Frank Miller, mutants by Bill Sienkewicz, The Eternals by Kirby, ...).
- another would be in small format print in black & white. They were the same who edited ghost and fantastic stories, so they had all kind of creepy comics and one of them was Ghost Rider.
I remember to this day an episode where GR arrives in a small town where a satanic powerful child turned everyone into crawling beasts, his mother into a zombie of sort and he used her to blackmail his father. Just horrible!!

Of course there was also Dracula 
Most of these old works I know by looking at shelves when I go to Paris: they have a big comic-shop with lots of integrals, essentials, omnibus and the likes.
But I wonder if the palm doesn't go to DC's The War that Time forgot. Yeah, US GIs at war against dinosaurs or something like that!
GEEEZ! I just launched a search in Google Images and....    it seems there were a ton of these. Star-Spangled Stories, Weird War and such...


And there are even new ones from the years 2000s.
I guess they have that same appeal as tyrannosaurs in F-14s!

[Vishniac]

This one is probably a must-read: GIs, nazis, Medusa...