I note that Italy is currently closed for everything, which strongly tends to rule out wolf-crying...
The Supreme Court, Las Vegas shows, Broadway...
P.S. Virtually impossible to discuss in any depth whatsoever w/o politics.
I have reluctantly abandoned a couple of forums that I truly enjoyed simply because every thread became a political battlefield between regulars who disagreed and became angrier. I don't want to see that here, too.[sighs] Yeah.
Just came back from a grocery trip
My fellow countrymen really take their visit to the little room serious. All toiletpaper and napkins are gone in supermarkets. ;lol
It's a small, old congregation. His first idea was livestreaming, but there's almost certainly too many who don't even email.
He's probably going to record on CD, and bear down on the home visitations as delivery, w/ it doubling as checking on the most at-risk and alone...
To be fair people use toilet paper wherever they are. If they aren't at work, college, on an airplane, in a restaurant, hotel, or in school, and are home instead they will need to buy more instead of getting it as a courtesy. They are just overdoing it. Toilet paper that normally goes to those places will be diverted, but they buy in larger packages. Things will balance out in time.
Mylochka is webmaster of the church's website, and they were going to do at least an audio/video as a matter of it's Monday.Related side-note; I shared last week's sermon w/ Uno on Facebook as soon as I posted this, and the cadence is entirely different, but that there's my voice to the extent we used to impersonate each other on the phone to people who knew both of us. So for those curious: https://www.pleasantviewchurchmorganton.com/copy-of-2018-sermons?wix-music-comp-id=comp-k7p51wf5&wix-music-track-id=6714964603568128
I suggested adding YouTube, but that would involve the little SOB listening to me about anything, not least marketing issues. He got issues all right.
Stay safe!
You're quite welcome. They're probably going to cancel classes over this junk, so I might as well be useful until they either let us back in or it gets bad enough to press-gang us.
Noses are, for RTs, the things you have to shove a breathing tube through. Not that we don't appreciate the excellent work they do filtering, warming, and humidifying, but we're lung people. So I don't really know, but my uninformed and hemi-gluteal speculation here is that Nasonex should be okay because it has a purely local effect on the nose, and COVID doesn't often cause sneezing; sore throat, fever, hacking cough and dyspnea/SOB are common, but maybe 10% of cases sneeze IIRC. Also if you get congested enough you'll be forced to mouth-breathe, which is definitely suboptimal from an immune perspective. I wouldn't make myself miserable with snuffling and sneezing. If you want to avoid Benadryl, etc. that might be wise, IDK. Do you have a Neti-pot? That might help too, and avoid the whole question.
I start waxing philosophical and wondering if any permanent good can come of this. We are rapidly proving working from home is quite possible. Could it become the norm, eliminating all this office space and allowing affordable housing, or lord forbid even returning some farmland?
It could very well be that post-covid-19 the companies that recover the best are the ones that master this work from home and incorporate it going forward. There is a monumental amount of savings to be had if corporate america would embrace it. Not to mention the energy savings as a whole.
Yet it's also becoming quite clear to me, that the cube farms are strictly about CONTROL, not about being the best scenario to do the work.
I start waxing philosophical and wondering if any permanent good can come of this. We are rapidly proving working from home is quite possible. Could it become the norm, eliminating all this office space and allowing affordable housing, or lord forbid even returning some farmland?
It could very well be that post-covid-19 the companies that recover the best are the ones that master this work from home and incorporate it going forward. There is a monumental amount of savings to be had if corporate america would embrace it. Not to mention the energy savings as a whole.
Yet it's also becoming quite clear to me, that the cube farms are strictly about CONTROL, not about being the best scenario to do the work.
I've been thinking about this, too.
*Even though I'm out of the workforce, I hope the lesson is learned that many meetings could be replaced by an e-mail and some answered questions.
*I'm hoping that affordable higher education at home becomes a thing, at least for the initial years of courses.
*I've long been concerned that there is very little shared experience to make people see each other as "We" & "Us" rather than "they" and "them." Maybe this will humanize everybody enough for a few years to prevent a war, or help us treat people in our own countries with mutual respect again.
I assume there's someone in charge doing their job there?
On the way home we needed gas. I'd been wearing gloves to remind me not to t...ouch my face, but out of habit I took them off to pump gas. You, know, so they don't soak up gas and smell up my coat, etc. But of course gas pumps have keypads and so forth. Foolish mistake.Wear them until your ready to get back into the car, then strip them off and dispose of them. If need be, have new ones ready to put on, inside the car...
2nd unconnected source that I've heard about the Blood thing. So it is likely True/ Do you have a link source for that, Rusty?
It reminds me of something that I learned a while back, concerning the Black Death and susceptibility to HIV and AIDS. to even where some people whom had higher resistance to the Plague (A Bacterial Infection), people from the surviving bloodlines seem to have a better time with HIV. With, at the time I had seen/learned this, someone from one of those bloodlines had possibly sero-converted to neg from pos. That was about a decade ago and I lost track of that research. The Body is a wonderful and strange thing...
There are cases on every continent, except Antarctica.
It's because they're iceolated.
I sure do wish they'd send me a few $2,000 checks, pronto...
Senate has agreed on the 2+ Trillion Dollar Relief package and it goes to conference. I'm hoping it's on the Idiot's Desk to sign by Friday.
At current rates of new case acceleration ( which as Gov. Cuomo of New York points out is really only a measure of increased testing ) we will surpass both Italy and China by midnight to become the new WORLD LEADER in CORONA VIRUS CASES.
Heh. Maintain separation. Hard to do on the workfloor during shift switch. People coming in with their machine, and people coming down to get their machine. Mingling is simply unavoidable.
So wash or sanitize your hands and keep them off of your face.
Well, took us about a month to get to a thousand deaths, but the second thousand only took an extra 48 hours.
I failed to note that the USA has raised their ranking from #8 to #6, bypassing France and South Korea in the number of cases a couple days ago. I truly believe that we will reach number one, in spite of our lack of testing swabs, kits, and labs doing the tests. Or rather because of it.
Well, Dr. Anthony Fauci did say indirectly on Monday that the window on that had closed, and our last, best hope was to isolate ourselves immediately and cross our fingers.
110? I congratulate anyone with the stamina to make the walk inside from the parking lot with a temp that high...
Wouldn't a fever that high be very effective in killing the host?110? I congratulate anyone with the stamina to make the walk inside from the parking lot with a temp that high...No doubt such a fever is very effective in killing all the bugs though, no wonder they go home for 2 weeks. :)
Shhhhh, spoilers!Wouldn't a fever that high be very effective in killing the host?110? I congratulate anyone with the stamina to make the walk inside from the parking lot with a temp that high...No doubt such a fever is very effective in killing all the bugs though, no wonder they go home for 2 weeks. :)
Shhhhh, spoilers!Wouldn't a fever that high be very effective in killing the host?110? I congratulate anyone with the stamina to make the walk inside from the parking lot with a temp that high...No doubt such a fever is very effective in killing all the bugs though, no wonder they go home for 2 weeks. :)
Anecdotally I can say somewhere around 103 you start getting some really good hallucinations. Mine are almost always the same thing, oddly. Even more strange, they aren't horror movie content.
Speaking for my part of FL, I don't know how much difference the lockdown makes at this point; there was nowhere interesting to go beforehand anyway. I'm going to work at my pharmacy, and to the school library to use their better wifi for my online classes (most of the county doesn't need to do this; I live in an extremely rural area). Some churches might remain open, but mine has been shut down for weeks.
The hammer-and-dance talk really does seem like a farce. Buying time only helps if there's something helpful in the pipeline. The vaccine will come in a year or more, our pharmaceutical supply chain is unreliable at the best of times, it takes a lot of training to become skilled with a ventilator and Ford's emergency ventilators appear to be archaic piles of junk, inadequate to cares for ARDS patients.
Have you found hard data to support the 20% vent survival figure? I've heard mixed reports, and had no success tracking down a good study. The worst I've heard is 82% mortality on a vent, while the best is about 50. This could improve as we learn more about the virus, but I don't know.
Speaker Pelosi was on Colbet tonight and she briefly talked about [Sleezebag] adding a signing Statement to the 2.3 Trillion Bill. Something about how he was going to ignore the Oversite Stipulations of the bill.
Anyone know about this?
Haven't really read up on your lockdown situation, but FL does seem to be a dollar late and a day short in implementing their shutdowns to where it MAY have already been too late. And maybe even too sparse. I not in particular you are accessing a library, where ours here in Utah have been shuttered for weeks. Part of this is TEH CHURCH at least seems to be taking it seriously (to a degree, I could rattle on with that), which puts pressure on our officials to do the same.
-In hospital mortality of ventilated patients was 34.5% and only 30.8% of patients were discharged home from the hospital.
What happened with the other 34.7% patients? Still in hospital but not in IC anymore?
OK captain obvious?That's not really how you're supposed to use a ventilator. I bought a ventilators for dummies type book (written by a hospital doctor) and one of his "eleven commandments" at the front of the book is that the ventilator has no therapeutic value of its own. Its purpose is to buy time, not for the body to heal itself--if you're tubed, you've degraded past the point where that's plausible--but for the staff to solve whatever the underlying issue is. A lot of vent patients die, because they're very sick patients, and because once you get sick enough it often turns out that healing you one way will only kill you another way. For example, getting a diuretic to address your edema might finish off your ailing kidneys.
Is there a comparison to other situations in which someone is placed on a ventilator? You're on the ventilator as your body has lost the ability to breath. It's sole purpose is to buy a little time in the hopes your body re-learns or repairs itself enough to breath on it's own. How many influenza patients that progress to the point of needing a ventilator recover?
[Sleezebag] at New Conferance today, just before he Handed off to VP, "This was artificially induced"... WTF!!!
My sense of it is that the odds are better in cases of normal pneumonia, and that's why it's a standard treatment that hospitals call for. But people who are on ventilators for brain and spine diseases, trauma, strokes, etc. pulled down the stats pre-Covid-19.
I've also heard that there is now a shortage of the drugs they use to tranquilize patients with ventilators, so machines alone won't solve the problem, even if there were enough techs to operate them. So that's part of my conclusion that ventilator issues are fighting over crumbs.
Anecdotal -
Took the dog on the mile walk today. There was one younger person trying to net frogs, and another that was riding a mountain bike. The rest were geezers. They tended to travel in clusters and socialize with everyone they saw, and didn't maintain distance. I was the only one wearing gloves and face covering.
I've seen pictures of the city that look vacant, so that seems to be working. I only hear trucks and ambulances on the expressway.
We're low on some foods, and the Mrs. wants to restock. I think we'll venture out to Costco or SAM's tomorrow.
I shouldn't need to be back in office for 2 weeks unless we get another positive I need to go manage the response again, and I'm grateful I can avoid the death trap.
[Sleezebag] remains amazed that there are hundreds of countries in the world.A recent press conference, he claied that it was a good friend of his whom didn't know that there were so many countries in the world.... "So Many..." And most of them are [pop]holes, too
In short, a high(er) mortality of people on vents are just an indication of in general more health issues before those people were even attached to the machine.
Comes down to a lacking healthcare system to me.
I know this may sound snobbish, but it is also a true assesment.
Then there's the anecdotal from Italy. The mayor of Rome estimates that their deaths so far are underreported by a factor of 3 or 4. The reason being that they had old people dying alone this winter, and didn't recognize Covid-19 when they found the bodies simply because they'd never seen it before. So the cause of death would be pneumonia, or natural causes, for example.
Corvid-19That's a murder...
Corvid-19That's a murder...
Looks like African Amaricans are about 1/3 more likely to have major complications, including death, from this....
There's a lot in play , I think.
*According to a Congresswoman from Illinois, because Africa was slow to report any cases compared to Eurasia, a rumor started that African Americans were resistant to this virus. Personally I think that promoting an anti-malarial drug as a miracle cure re-enforced that misconception.
* Some say mistrust of the federal government contributes to the problem.
* It's theorized that a large share of African Americans work in "essential jobs" and must go in to work rather than shelter at home. Also, a large share of them commute by mass transit rather than private vehicle.
So possibly there are fewer precautions taken and more exposure.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/492390-wapo-[Sleezebag]-allegedly-asked-fauci-if-officials-could-let-coronavirus
President [Sleezebag] reportedly asked Anthony Fauci, the nation’s leading infectious disease expert and a key member of the White House’s coronavirus task force, whether U.S. officials could allow the coronavirus pandemic to “wash over” the country, The Washington Post reported.
During a coronavirus task force meeting in the Situation Room last month, on the same day [Sleezebag] ordered travel to be suspended from the United Kingdom and Ireland in an effort to stem the spread of the virus, [Sleezebag] reportedly asked Fauci, “Why don’t we let this wash over the country?”
Two anonymous sources familiar with the president’s comments confirmed the question to the newspaper.
Well, with income and sales down, they have to collect revenue somehow...
Dumped Milk, Smashed Eggs, Plowed Vegetables: Food Waste of the PandemicMilk is also getting dumped here as well
In Wisconsin and Ohio, farmers are dumping thousands of gallons of fresh milk into lagoons and manure pits. An Idaho farmer has dug huge ditches to bury 1 million pounds of onions. And in South Florida, a region that supplies much of the Eastern half of the United States with produce, tractors are crisscrossing bean and cabbage fields, plowing perfectly ripe vegetables back into the soil.
Well, with income and sales down, they have to collect revenue somehow...
What do you think people wiĺ do once restrictions are lifted? Right, go on a shopping spree. :P
Say, is hEt set up so she's safe at work?
Say, is hEt set up so she's safe at work?
Complicatated…
;lol
Why do they even call Satan's place of worship a 'church'? I'm sure they could've come up with a more interesting label. 'Lair' would already do.
Haven't really read up on your lockdown situation, but FL does seem to be a dollar late and a day short in implementing their shutdowns to where it MAY have already been too late. And maybe even too sparse. I not in particular you are accessing a library, where ours here in Utah have been shuttered for weeks. Part of this is TEH CHURCH at least seems to be taking it seriously (to a degree, I could rattle on with that), which puts pressure on our officials to do the same.
In perhaps a twist of irony, TEH CHURCH taking things seriously might have just exacerbated the problem a hundred fold.
Weeks ago, just after the big panic, they closed the churches and temples and rolled out essentially worship from home orders. (though given the fragmented organizational structure, this latter was left up to bishops and stake presidents, so I'm sure it's inconsistent from area to area) These actions very much drove home to the members that this was to be taken SERIOUSLY and was going to be long term, and people really settled in for the most part.
HOWEVER, TEH CHURCH was not yet done, and more recently they recalled their missionaries. So, we've had HUNDREDS of kids returning home. But that's not in itself what's going to cause the problem, and it will be hard for those outside Utah to understand, but these kids are pretty much played hail the conquering hero and paraded around when they return under normal situations.
And the idiot members are still trying to do that. HUGE crowds waiting for these kids at the airport. Parties once their home. Utah's probably going to blow up in the next 2 weeks.
;lol
Why do they even call Satan's place of worship a 'church'? I'm sure they could've come up with a more interesting label. 'Lair' would already do.
Because the church of satan is all about pissing off christians, and calling it a church might upset more people. They are officially atheists who just use the symbology and 'freedom of religion' to protest against (largely christian) religious control over the gubment.
For instance, they formed the Halloween in Summer festival, specifically to coincide with the July 24th state holiday (to celebrate the state's LDS pioneers).
Then some jerk who cared more about the Halloween than the protest aspect got involved and got it moved to June so that it wasn't competing with another holiday and it's become big business but lost the protest aspect. ;cute So the church tried to cancel it all together, and the city stepped in to take control.
How are things, Geo?
the person has been dressing this way for about two weeks for their daily walk
and the coppers finally noticed... Although, small village police in England can be boring,,,
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-norfolk-52456180
Honest opinions please, should the police even be involved here?
I start waxing philosophical and wondering if any permanent good can come of this. We are rapidly proving working from home is quite possible. Could it become the norm, eliminating all this office space and allowing affordable housing, or lord forbid even returning some farmland?
It could very well be that post-covid-19 the companies that recover the best are the ones that master this work from home and incorporate it going forward. There is a monumental amount of savings to be had if corporate america would embrace it. Not to mention the energy savings as a whole.
Yet it's also becoming quite clear to me, that the cube farms are strictly about CONTROL, not about being the best scenario to do the work.
I've been thinking about this, too.
*Even though I'm out of the workforce, I hope the lesson is learned that many meetings could be replaced by an e-mail and some answered questions.
*I'm hoping that affordable higher education at home becomes a thing, at least for the initial years of courses.
*I've long been concerned that there is very little shared experience to make people see each other as "We" & "Us" rather than "they" and "them." Maybe this will humanize everybody enough for a few years to prevent a war, or help us treat people in our own countries with mutual respect again.
*I'm thinking that there is huge potential here to end the anti-vax movement.
* Medical Reform- FDA, healthcare, health insurance, and emergency preparedness.
* That a lot of people will get in the habit of washing hands, not touching their faces, coughing or sneezing into their elbows or the insides of their coats, improving public safety in the long run.
* That we will adopt he Vulcan "live long and prosper" greeting as the new standard.
* That companies will provide paid sick leave, rather than force sick employees to work.
I've been assigned to the board discussing how work handles things going forward as well.Congratulations, I guess... Although it's more on you, you might be able to keep others safe, as long as you keep the clowns down...
All the more reason to make those things mandatory in the workplace until Vaccines(sp) come out
[snip]
The two big things that continue to come out as working are the distancing and facemasks. Everywhere that hasn't made those mandatory ends up having instances where entire teams or areas get infected.
And they don't wash their hands either. I would have them get sanitizing stations place throughout the facility and make sure they stay filled. Needs to be: if you pass one, you use it...
Here in Utah, we were up to about 80% mask wearing, but the gov loosened the restrictions last weekend and now it's under 50%. And they're trying to start football practice...
And they don't wash their hands either. I would have them get sanitizing stations place throughout the facility and make sure they stay filled. Needs to be: if you pass one, you use it...
One study is suggesting only 30% workforce back to work at a time to maintain social distancing...essentially we'd need to go to 3 shifts with time to sanitize between shifts.
TIL that I, along with most of the rest of the pharmacy staff, was exposed and almost certainly infected back in late December. The pharmacist thought it was strep at the time. Several of us caught sick shortly after; my family felt crummy for a couple of days apiece, in shifts, in January. I plan to get tested for antibodies soon to confirm, but tomorrow I'll call my Mom and give her a Mother's Day present of not having to worry about her asthmatic boy in healthcare anymore.
One study is suggesting only 30% workforce back to work at a time to maintain social distancing...essentially we'd need to go to 3 shifts with time to sanitize between shifts.At my workplace, it took management 2 weeks to work out a sequence that minimizes contact between the two main shifts and gave the sanitizing team (barely) time to disinfect equipment used by both shifts.
But will [Sleezebag] saying that it will just magically disappear, there are people whom are taking that as gospel...
Pretty sure my wife and I both had it in February. Symptoms match. But Virginia is 50th out of 50 states in testing availability, so no way to know for sure yet.I'm Lazy and I S*ck (Conmcb25... will use Con later):
I mean, we both lost sense of smell and taste w/o nasal congestion. It was puzzling at the time. Came with fever and just being tired ALL the time (probably low oxygen). None of that made sense until we heard the COVID symptoms.
Could be something else, too, but the symptoms do line up
And our kids basically never got sick
Or your kids and or wife had it but were asymptomatic.Myself:
Some of the things that are happening to kids after they recover is frighteningArnie (Arnelos):
that and some of the Rashes on places, like your toes are not looking good, either.
this is a really bad non-bug (bug would be a live bacteria, so...)
Rashes are super common on little kids like toddlers for allergy reasons. That'd be really difficult to isolateMyself:
My Infectious Disease Doctor at the VA is helping to qualify a Mass Anti-body test that will allow screening when a blood draw is done. Should be ready to go in a week or two, from what I was told. So, I'm holding off of getting my Regular Blood Draw and have them check for anti-bodies at the same time as my HIV Viral Load & CD4/8 counts...Con:
I did hear about a new Shingles Vaccine that is safe for me to use now, is not the partial live version, that my T-Cells were too low to safely take. But this new one will allow me to do so...
Well I hope the VA test works and then you got a good chance to know. I am waiting for them to become more widespread and FDA approved. And from what I have been reading if you dont get the test shortly after having symptoms, it doesnt really work anyway. So my wife for instance probably shouldnt bother on a test from symptoms 5 months ago. I am just going to keep my head down and hope we get an anti - viral by early this fall. I really really should travel for work this summer. (I should have done it already.) but I dont know how I am going to pull it off.Myself:
that is the Nasal Swap test, that shows that you have an active infection. Once your over it, it would show a negative result.Neirai the Forgiven:
but the anti body test would have that you have had it/been exposed. Although, at this time, it does not show the level of anti-body presence in the body (although, I'm hoping that they are also working on how to quantify that as well) or what levels would be effective against re-infection, especially if it mutates radically (which it might have already done...)
we've known about the Pink Eye-like version for a while. My father had something that looked like pink eye but he's been tested for COVID-19 twice. Both negative.
"GODOY: Well, so loss of sense of smell and of taste, because taste is really, really closely related to smell, that symptom has actually emerged as a really strong indicator of infection with COVID-19. There's research from both the U.S. and the U.K. suggesting that six out of 10 people who report the symptom end up testing positive for the virus.Arnie:
So if you are experiencing loss of smell, doctors I spoke with say that alone should prompt you to seek testing. But there's also good news, and that's that people who lose their sense of smell tend to have a milder course of the disease. There's also certain skin conditions that are emerging as signs of infection like chilblains, which are, like, purple, pink or red bumps or lesions in the toes. And they often are accompanied by swelling."
That was NPR talking to "disease experts". The good news is if the wife and yourself both lost sense of smell you probably had a mild case. If you both had it, I bet your kids did as well, just very mild so you thought it was something else or asymptomatic is my guess. Ive heard stuff where if someone in a household gets it, everyone does, almost impossible to avoid. And thats where most of the "community infections' come from.
That is precisely what we believeI did have a case of pink eye, back in Mid Feb, that had gone away without any pink eye meds.
Trouble is, Virginia is the worst state in the entire U.S. for testing availability, so we have no way to know
FRANCESCA MANGIATORDI:https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/inside-italys-covid-war/?utm_source=Iterable&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=streaming&utm_content=xxxx
It’s 8 o’clock on March 17. I just finished my 12-hour shift, and what affected me most tonight? A lady asked me, crying, what was going to happen to her? Why was she there on a stretcher in the hallway with 15 others and only one toilet? There is no dignity anymore; we've lost the sense of humanity.
I don’t know what the aim is of working in this way. And in the end, the role of the doctor loses its meaning.
FRANCESCA MANGIATORDI:
They’ll be a bed available in gynecology. But not for an hour. There's been a death and they're waiting for the cleaning. Yes, yes. COVID.
All the CT scans are practically the same now. They are all ugly. He's 35 years old. He's young! We’ll definitely have to admit him, since it's possible.
Unfortunately, I’m going to have to choose whether to admit him or an 85-year-old.
FEMALE VOICE:
What will you choose?
FRANCESCA MANGIATORDI:
The 35-year-old. We’ve had to make choices like this for a month now..
Several interesting things this week, all relating to corporate america in differing degrees.
Mars, Hershey, and Spirit have teamed up and are focus grouping ideas for social distancing halloween. From online trick or treating with kids getting photos of their costume online and getting mailed the candy direct from the candy companies to various forms of drive throughs and a return of the costume parades of the 50s instead of door to door.
This was aired last week, but is still a thing... Here's one for you Bearu...The Corona virus displays the blatant inequality of healthcare access and other inequalities of society. I enjoyed the fact the narrator understood the ostentatious displays of wealth from the elites in the Corona virus outbreak remains an outrageous problem. Extremely rich people have owned private islands and land for centuries. Belgian King Leopold II's ownership of the Congo in the late 1880s illustrated a prominent example of private ownership of a nation under a private entity. These inequalities exist from the cruel system of inequality and exploitation under capitalism and people observe the inequalities in stark frequency under pandemic outbreaks and other natural disasters.
opps, forgot the link...
Got a call from HR. I was likely exposed on Thursday, though they won't give me a name so I can actually judge whether it's someone I was in close contact with or just someone on the same floor. If it's just someone I might have touched the same doorknob as, I'm really not at all concerned. However, I'm practically the only one in the office taking it seriously and actually wearing their mask. (office, defined as the floor where my actual desk is, about 100 people during normal business...about 15 during Covid, the 800 employee workforce has various levels of serious depending on area)
Thursday was my only day in office last week, and my time in the actual area in question was fairly limited.
For comparison, 1)Belgium 810, 2) Andorra 660, 3) Spain 580, 4) UK 558, 5) Italy 548, 6) France 448, 7)Sweden 423,
8) Netherlands 345, 9) Ireland 331, 10) USA 310
I decided to look at the stats after hearing debate about national strategies.Thing is, we STILL need to be taking the same approach as Japan, when it comes to Masks, moving forward. So that, not only will it help when it comes to future spikes but helping with keeping down the spread. THIS way, we can reopen larger Events, sooner.
Sweden, who is basically taking the "let's get it over with approach," has 423 deaths/million population.
Densely populated Japan, who has high compliance mask wearing, has 7 deaths/million.
New Zealand, who took a strict lockdown approach, has 4 deaths/million.
For comparison, 1)Belgium 810, 2) Andorra 660, 3) Spain 580, 4) UK 558, 5) Italy 548, 6) France 448, 7)Sweden 423,
8) Netherlands 345, 9) Ireland 331, 10) USA 310
In retrospect, I wish we'd taken the Japanese approach, but I realize we are as contrary as the Italians and doomed to a similar fate.
Another article which frames Covid-19 as a blood infection , rather than as a viral pneumonia.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/22/coronavirus-blood-clots/?cv-campaign=4fda08e2fbca0387b958bb44bf5cc2b6&utm_campaign=wp_to_your_health&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_tyh
They find that asthmatic patients aren't as vulnerable as expected, but patients with hypertension and cardiovascular diseases are suddenly dying. The mechanism is unknown, but it disrupts clotting factors, but in the opposite way as Ebola. So people will suddenly die from blood clots, or gradually die from an accumulation of small blood clots in the lungs. It also appears as complications in childbirth.
The first article I read along these lines some weeks ago suggested that the virus was stealing Iron ions from red blood cells, and that the resulting low blood O2 caused breathing problems, but it was more helpful for the ER doctors to think of it as CO poisoning or altitude sickness, rather than viral pneumonia.
which is not good. I wonder how deep it got into the people whom were Asymptomatic?
Positive cases still rising, and they're going to open the local amusement park. What could go wrong?
http://www.lagoonpark.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Guest-Expectations-for-Opening-5.22.pdf
Orange County Mayor is now requiring ANYONE (unless they are exercising) to wear masks in public! Starting on Saturday.
I might have it!!
This mourning, Lots of coughing and getting sick from possibly my nasal Problems. But it a bit was extreme, but the stuff was clear, Started feeling chilled, turned up heat, put on Flannel shirt and started to wear my mask insisde. After other things that indicated something in the lungs as ell as other things that told me that I had a had a fever. But I had just dank some really cold water, so the results would be skewed. I talked to my Ryan White Case Manager (whom I was supposed to make my phone in appointment today as it was) and she directed me to go get tested.
So, I arrived at Orl VA Med Center @ Lk Nona and my fever at the Gate was 105.+F and they directed me to the ER. Temp was 103.+F and they scraped my brain good!! I'm currently waiting to see what they do next...
I'll try to keep Ya'll updated!!
they are doing a blood culture and I'll be in the hospital for a few days while that is running
they are doing a blood culture and I'll be in the hospital for a few days while that is running
Medical insurance is okay? :-\
To me a stay at the hospital for a possible Covid infection would be mostly reimbursed, but just last week I read about a case where a US resident got a million dollar bill for a Covid hospital care.
If things are good, I'll be getting out today... :crossesfingers:
If things are good, I'll be getting out today... :crossesfingers:They figure anything out?
...The main difference between the Klan and the Republican Party these days is the sheets...
Prediction: 1/4th of a Million by Fall... Deaths that is...
I'm taking to mostly hiding at home again...
EVENT UPDATES
The following events scheduled for the weeks ahead have been impacted.
The status for any events not listed below remains TBD.
7/9 Def Leppard / Motley Crue (Camping World Stadium) = rescheduled for 6/27/21
7/17 - Chris Stapleton (Amway Center) = rescheduled for 11/12/21
7/21 - The Weeknd (Amway Center) = postponed
8/7 - Harry Styles (Amway Center) = rescheduled for 10/7/21
8/21 - Lauren Daigle (Amway Center) = rescheduled for 3/4/21
8/30-9/6 Disney On Ice (Amway Center) = canceled
9/25 - Camila Cabello (Amway Center) = canceled
10/1 - Dan + Shay (Amway Center) = postponed
Prediction: 1/4th of a Million by Fall... Deaths that is...Already less than a month since I had made this prediction, we are closely approaching 1/6th of a Million (166,667) deaths.
I'm really confused how a curfew helps though.
23:30-0600 is hardly keeping any crowds down that, say, closing bars/clubs wouldn't do.
I gotta ask what is meant by nightshop.
I gotta ask what is meant by nightshop.
Just a shop (mostly sells liquor, biscuits and such) open at night. The owners are usually immigrants.
24/7 shops are by law forbidden here. So when the usual supermarkets close down for the night, nightshops take over. But with the pandemic, their opening hours are curtailed as well.
such a better word than convenience store...
Our latest Corona surge is (slowly) dropping again. But the devil is in the details. The initial infected region (city -and province of Antwerp) saw a dramatic decrease in new cases, but the capital area sees quite an increase now... and many of the jobstudents still at the workfloor live in Brussels. It will be another 2-3 weeks before the last of them go back to study.That is until you get a lot of Americans coming over...
The latest management announcement we had at work was one confirmed case in the other shift, luckily in a rather isolated team, with 2 extra put in precautionary quarantaine (symptoms claim).
That is until you get a lot of Americans coming over...Oh no! ;)
thing is, how much throughput (the bandwidth of test that can be done in a systematic manner) and results time frame are they capable of? At what point would they be overwhelmed with samples to test that would degrade the amount of true Pos/Neg to false results and increase the time until results? If the results takes longer to get than the people would be possibly "sick", then it's sort of moot??
Any plans to travel the next few months (as this is typically the time when ya'll are doing such)?
Any plans to travel the next few months (as this is typically the time when ya'll are doing such)?
A bunch of co-workers have been reported as infected.
Now we'll have to wait and see if it spreads further among workers.
The only new measure management took I can see is that the floor managers do checks if workers wear their masks appropriately. And take note who doesn't.
Utah's cases are skyrocketing and here at work, probably a third of those that actually come into the office are in quarantine.Bleepin' national security. Their bots freak when a foolish member posts commie hooey here, but they don't bother to enforce quarantine there as the security issue it is. ;grrr
They are putting up even more stern signs....
Found out today that one of the nieces was exposed at work from a co-worker with whom she had close contact recently.
This is relevant to me because we were together at a family birthday dinner yesterday. 9 People there in total. I might have declined the invitation, but it's my wife's family, and she ditched the last birthday dinner out of an abundance of caution with a headache and sent me. This time she felt obligated. Keeping peace in the family and being cautious about coronavirus don't seem to be compatible.
The niece is prone to allergies and it's the season for leaf mold. She had a headache and sniffles.
I'll keep you posted.
PS- helicopter again last night.
I was trying to figure how they come up with that rate. 50k participants in trial. Told to wear mask and distance but otherwise go back to work and live normally. 94 get COVID. How are you isolating the vaccine itself’s effectiveness vs differences in personal behavior?
Don't forget the Double blind. Maybe it's based on the number of Placebo to real C-19 Infections
https://www.essence.com/news/covid-19-mental-illness-study/ (https://www.essence.com/news/covid-19-mental-illness-study/)well, in [Sleezebag]'s case, he was already mental....
20% of people with Covid develop mental illness...
The inevitable happened. I now know somebody on a ventilator. She was a neighbor and best friend to my wife's godmother. I'd see her at confirmations, retirements, my wedding. Last saw her about two years ago. This year I haven't seen many people. Her husband has it too, but is quarantined at home.
Good for her.
I hadn't heard of a case where someone was put off the ventilator that quick.
Hope that she won't have to deal with the long term crap that has been associated with this...The inevitable happened. I now know somebody on a ventilator. She was a neighbor and best friend to my wife's godmother. I'd see her at confirmations, retirements, my wedding. Last saw her about two years ago. This year I haven't seen many people. Her husband has it too, but is quarantined at home.
On the bright side, she is now off of the ventilator, out of Intensive Care, and back to a regular hospital bed. She is expected to survive.
What's that I read? The president-elect wants to roll out a 100-day vaccination plan?
Any takers here?
What's that I read? The president-elect wants to roll out a 100-day vaccination plan?
Any takers here?
You know, if they are having problems with getting the first stick into people's arms, what is going to happen when it's time for them to get the second at the same time others are getting their first??
I wonder if there is Trial Data (likely very slim) on the effect of efficacy of the Vaccine, with different time frames between the two shots. How long can you delay the 2nd one before the first is needed to be done again?You know, if they are having problems with getting the first stick into people's arms, what is going to happen when it's time for them to get the second at the same time others are getting their first??
There's been talk about delaying the second shot of already vaccinated people to have as much people vaccinated as quickly as possible, but since my country signed in through EU contracts with the pharma companies, the (legal) decision rests at that level (at least, according to the federal minister for Social Affairs and Healthcare).
Yeah, but you can't delay the 2nd shot or you might as well not get the first one to begin with
But for hospitals already strained by a surge of covid-19 cases, the outpatient pharmaceutical treatment presents a major logistical challenge as exhausted staff scramble to care for patients and race to inoculate front-line workers with the first coronavirus vaccines.
which was just recently approved by the UK, but haven't heard anything from EU sources as to how soon they will approve it...
So at this point in the Christmas Eve debacle...
SIL and my wife's brother = Sick and tired, confirmed Covid.
Their youngest daughter and her boyfriend= Sick and tired, confirmed Covid.
Their middle daughter and her husband, healthy and tested normal.
Their oldest daughter and her fiance', allergy type symptoms and tired, tested normal.
My wife's sister and her daughter = Cold type symptoms , confirmed Covid.
Me- got a brain swab today, should get results in 3 or 4 days. My wife will get a rapid test on Saturday.
We both have cold symptoms. According to Facebook posts from years past, that seems to be quite normal for us at the beginning of January. I have some aches and pains. It might be from shoveling wet snow. I was 97.8 degrees earlier today, which is my normal. Now I'm 99.6
Well, it's about an hour short of a week from when this started. I'll feel better once everyone has passed
the 10 day post-infection mark without hospitalization.
Your feeling normal but tested pos? Asymptomatic? and your wife tested neg. How is she feeling?
Dang, hope yall will get through it
She's been sleepy, had a few cold allergy type symptoms when I did. We normally have cold or flu this time of year, probably from signing for deliveries. The family went on a cruise a year ago, and there's the theory that what we thought was a bad flu at the time was actually Covid. Several of us had it. Some are going to get blood tested for antibodies to support that theory. They started testing all blood donations for antibodies, and I've come up negative twice.
My symptoms were cold/allergy type, a low fever, a headache, and some body aches, some of them fairly acute with no other explanation.
I feel pretty normal today, but I noticed that my sense of smell & taste was impaired yesterday. We're keeping our fingers crossed until we pass day 11.
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I may have more to say about my SIL in the future, after everyone is safely out of the woods.
Rusty? Please don't be sick any longer...
Thanks, Geo.You doing o.k Rusty?
Today I don't feel as well. Mostly sinus problems, snot in my lungs, and body aches. My temp has it's ups and downs. My sense of smell/taste is off. My pulse and oxygen levels have been fairly steady. Still, it's nothing worse than the usual winter sicknesses, although scarier.
I hear more about the South African strain which is suppose to have mutated "spike/hooks", enough so that the existing vaccines probably won't protect against it. Well, I have had a feeling that Corona virus is here to stay. In the future we will probably have to get a shot, much like the flu, only twice a year due to the higher mutation rate compared to DNA viruses.
While sheltering in a secure location as a mob of [Sleezebag] supporters stormed the Capitol on Wednesday, House lawmakers may have been exposed to someone who was infected with the coronavirus, Congress’s Office of the Attending Physician said on Sunday.
In an email sent to lawmakers, Dr. Brian P. Monahan, the attending physician, said that while “the time in this room was several hours for some and briefer for others,” during that period, “individuals may have been exposed to another occupant with coronavirus infection.” He told lawmakers to obtain a P.C.R. test as a precaution and continue taking preventive steps against the spread of the virus.
Congress has long struggled to stem the spread of the virus within its ranks, with mixed guidance and a delayed testing regimen. Dozens of lawmakers, staff members and reporters took shelter in the secure room on Wednesday, but a handful of Republicans refused to wear masks, one person there said, even as Representative Lisa Blunt Rochester, Democrat of Delaware, tried to pass out masks.
Rep. Bonnie Watson Coleman (D-N.J.), a 75-year-old cancer survivor, has tested positive for the coronavirus after sheltering in place during the Capitol riot with lawmakers who refused to wear masks.
hope you start to feel better soon. How is your wife?
.... Rusty is Navy
;stupid
He's not stupid.
This is sounding more and more like the Outlander series.Less nudity and swearing, I think.
I made a conscious decision long ago not to hasten her aging by doing too much for her she's still able to manage. It looks exactly like I'm lazy, but that's only part of it...
And I did not actually know that Rusty was Navy, as small a surprise as that is - I don't recall him saying he'd served, and never wondered. I guess I'm the one who's stupid.
How about the cases in the extended family?
Anything to tell that would surprise?
Do tell Maniac I've Skyped at him, thanks.Sorry, can't. He keeps to himself almost all the time. Can't even remember the last time I saw him.
Did I read that correctly? John Hopkins University reports confirmed cases of Covid19 now exceeds 25,000,000 in the USA?
That's one out of thirteen citizens?
That said, we're around one ouf of eighteen over here.
Momma had her second crows shot around noon yesterday.Firewood? Why? It's 60+F in your nick of the woods this time of year! ;belal
I just caught her transferring firewood from the wheelbarrow and going for another load. ;nod
Sorry to hear you still have troubles with your sense of smell.Its been two months now, doesn't it?
It was mildly concerning to be in the wait to see if it's going to kill you after the shot area and witness someone having a severe reaction though.
Today the arm is much better, although it's itchy. I'm trying to take it easy. I'm feeling sort of weak. That could be a combination of spring allergies and having a bad balance day. Regardless, my wife and I both took afternoon naps again.
Hospitalizations are on the rise in my state again.
Perhaps too forward, but...Rusty, IIRC, you were tested positive on Corona a couple months ago, weren't you?
I wondered if, because of a confirmed earlier infection, your vaccination dose(s) are injected with a different timeframe between shots, or if the second dose will even be omitted?
Is there a website for counting the number of vaccinated people at the national/state level in the US?
In Belgium, we're at about 18% of the adult population having had at least one injection.
Yeah, and then half a year later they will need to be reopened when that third Pfizer shot becomes a fact.
I got the J & J ages ago, had no symptoms which I would not also expect from a flu shot. Am now fine, walking around maskless, and waiting to find out if I got into the hospital I really wanted to work at.
I did some research on the Covid associated loss of smell, because I wondered when I should become concerned.
Most people recover about 2 weeks after.
About 1/4 will recover 2 months after.
95% recover in 6 months or less.
So, if I still have impaired sense of smell in mid July, it's time to be concerned.
So, it's not all bad for me. My sister-in-law and niece ( who caught it when I did from the same person) still can't smell much.
So, it's not all bad for me. My sister-in-law and niece ( who caught it when I did from the same person) still can't smell much.
You must have contracted the Minnesota Variant. ;)
I didn't know that was a thing.
I haven't been following the stats on the pandemic for some time, but anecdotally the sirens have been surging recently, and helicopter flights have resumed, reminding me of some of the worst times. Now I wonder if the freezer trailers are back at the hospitals.
In the Netherlands, freezer units are back at the morgues.The medical council has ordered all non life-threatening surgery that involves a stay in intensive care stopped. They expect to exceed the available IC beds in two weeks time.If it wasn't for such a huge percentage of the population being vaccinated, hospital care would have collapsed by now.One of my parents works as on the non-technical support staff in the medical field. Said parent's current employment status as of a few days ago remained minimally different from the last couple months. Hospitals and doctor offices in our area during the American Coronavirus surges stopped elective surgeries and reduced work hours, known as flexing, for the support staff. Coronavirus surges caused the hospitals' and doctor offices' temporary flexing of support staff because elective surgeries comprised a significant portion of the hospitals' and doctor offices' revenue.
I don't know how I do it, but every time I plan on a vacation its at a time my Covid vaccination would go through.
Last June-July it was for my primary and secondary shot, and now the government has announced that everyone is entitled to a booster vaccin, in my case (Pfizer) I would be entitled from 6 months after my secondary injection. Problem is, in February I planned an extended stay far away, so chances are my invitation would fall in that month.
Here, it's definitely staffing. There's officially "more beds" but they can't staff enough to cover the patients they have, hence hEt being on mandatory overtime since mid summer and show up bonuses to those that haven't quit because of the increased stress.That sounds about the same as the staff situation here - minus the bonuses as far as I know.
I give you our snow.
What, like turn into snow and die?Argh, stupid autotext feature on the dumbphone.I meant to say: "it did snow".So you did have a power blackout?
Never heard of such a thing.
Cav-Lancer died of covid a couple of weeks ago. :sad:https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/cav-lancer-has-died.675403/ (http://reported.)
Its been over a year since your last (known) Covid infection, hasn't it?
I've been sickish for two weeks straight now, probably spring allergies, but who knows?
In all seriousness, until everyone gets smart (as in, sorry, not happening), this is gonna continue to be a thing. :-\
You're not Yang, you can't control people... just yourself, so stay safe out there y'all.
Something's kicking hEt's ass for the last 5 days. At home tests are negative, but it is NOT like her to be down this long.
...How bad so far?...
I just want people to know that UnO ASKED for a sleeping pill…I take unisom and melatonin to sleep when I’m working, and he asked if I had something that might help him sleep….
Rain the last few days cleaning out the air lets us know the lingering lung [poop] is covid. Not really enough to be worrysome but enough to be annoying. Nose seems to plug up at night as well. Reading over cases, seems like I'm just going to be in a 20+ day stretch of this unless it turns for the worse at some point.
Well, there's a hole in the local market now. You could be the one to fill it. ;wait