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What's not working here?
« on: April 08, 2012, 09:54:50 PM »
I've noticed that the Cannibis League, a novelty faction that was one of the very first custom factions I tarted up the art for, doesn't get the fugus bonuses it's supposed to.  I don't think that's my doing, but I can't swear I haven't forgotten making some adjustment to get it to run at all, as I often did with old factions when I was starting out.  Here's the stats:

#CANNABIS
Cannabis League, The Stoned, Cannabis League, M, 2, Shaggy, M, -1, 0, 1, 1, 1,
  TECH, Ecology, TECH, Biogen, SOCIAL, +MORALE, FACILITY, 3, TALENT, 4, SOCIAL, -EFFIC, SOCIAL, --POLICE, SOCIAL, --PROBE, SOCIAL, ++PLANET,  FUNGNUTRIENT, 2, FUNGMINERALS, 1, FUNGENERGY, 1, IMMUNITY, MORALE, IMPUNITY, Green
  Economics, Green, PLANET

This is someone else's work, and the .txt files are not my thing.  Can anyone set me straight?
« Last Edit: April 10, 2012, 08:28:27 AM by sisko »

Offline ariete

Re: What's not working here?
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2012, 05:00:45 PM »
I don't konw but I take the opportunity here to make a question > why if a custom faction have marine detachment ability when it discover the relative tech (adaptive ... i don't remember) all units, and lands unit too, have marine wrote between parenthesis example

Trance Garrison
(trance, Marine)

and again: somethimes i start the game with a faction who have uncorrectly +1planet, so i must restart the game and it's all ok, then when i load the game just started is correct

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Re: What's not working here?
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2012, 08:27:05 AM »
I know the answer to your problem, BUncle. There are two types of faction bonuses. The majority of faction bonuses have a limit of 8 of any of them. I forget which ones count towards this limit and which don't (I know for a fact that TECH and SOCIAL does) but seems to be the likely reason why your fungus bonuses aren't applying.

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Re: What's not working here?
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2012, 01:46:22 PM »
Too many bonii?

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Re: What's not working here?
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2012, 01:50:19 PM »
Yep. :) You'll see mine all stick to that limit pretty well...

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Re: What's not working here?
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2012, 08:42:50 PM »
The majority of faction bonuses have a limit of 8 of any of them.

you want mean 8 ''bonuses'' total each custom faction (included tech, social, ability,...)??

however i use low bonuses for every faction i edit (maybe it's a defect), i don't think super faction is cool to play

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Re: What's not working here?
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2012, 12:24:25 AM »
somewhere i had readed there are problems if you play together smac factions and smacx factions in a game
the solution should be put the right background colour (smacx violet) as background of smac factions
anyone can confirme this??

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Re: What's not working here?
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2012, 04:22:14 AM »
It doesn't matter whether you use the the hot pink of SMAC or or the purple of SMAX, or both - both work in both versions.  I've gone to some trouble to test this a few months ago.

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Re: What's not working here?
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2012, 02:11:43 PM »
so i can play a single game with both factions (smac and smax) without a risk of crash bug during the time plaied

and for the bonuses ... i don't understand if the roof of 8 is for all (tech, facility, ability, fungus bonus nutrient ...)

i hope to have a correct use of this thread, i see 'what doesn't work here' so i think to put my questions on doesn't work ... for not leave dead the thread after the relative answer to your specific question, i hope not to do a mistake

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Re: What's not working here?
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2012, 03:14:46 PM »
There is a limit of eight.

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Re: What's not working here?
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2012, 09:15:22 PM »
ah ok.
relative to the first question i pose in this thread: sometimes (i don't know why) my custom faction start with +1 planet, if i restart game it doesn't happen. Last times it doesn't happen. It's possible that problem linked when i changed colours faction i don't make the usual steps (level trasparency, copy and paste in a defaultblank pcx) and i had just save overwrite (but trasparency bases are correct during the game).

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Re: What's not working here?
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2012, 11:22:41 PM »
No way the faction art has anything to do with it.

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Re: What's not working here?
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2012, 12:43:48 PM »
Quote
however i use low bonuses for every faction i edit (maybe it's a defect), i don't think super faction is cool to play

No defect.

Unless it cripples the Faction when the AI plays it. Or makes it too unbalanced (such as the developer's note regarding giving the Pirates -1GROWTH to slow them up a bit). It's all a dance act really as you well know, I'm sure...

From my POV, all this freefac and freetech stuff weakens the game in some respects because the creator (small 'c') runs the risk of creating alien-like uber-human factions. Nothing wrong with that -- but keeping some sense of balance is important; in SMAC for example, there's no PEG or CA so building Energy Banks and Airbases are a requirement that (rightly) drains resources into the Build / Economy areas which generally mutes conflict for a while.

Don't get me wrong -- the very LAST thing I'm doing is "having a go at you". If you can create 7 facs that 'balance' like the 'original 7' I'm with you all the way.

I wouldn't care if they're all clones of the most aggressive trash that we already have. I'll still try playing them as Deirdre (and maybe spot you a colony pod handicap too, for my cheek!!)  :)


Offline NewAgeOfPower

Re: What's not working here?
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2012, 02:46:54 AM »
I've managed to squeeze in 9 faction bonuses, the name just has to be short. For example, Tech, 5, saves characters over Tech, IndAuto... Reducing total number of characters is the way to go.
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Re: What's not working here?
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2013, 05:33:55 PM »
I've managed to squeeze in 9 faction bonuses, the name just has to be short. For example, Tech, 5, saves characters over Tech, IndAuto... Reducing total number of characters is the way to go.

from alphax.txt: ; TECH = Free technology at start. Parameter is either a tech id (e.g. "CentEmp") to indicate a specific technology, or a number (e.g. 2) to indicate a number of player-selected technologies.

So, "Tech, IndAuto" gives IndAuto as a free tech, and "Tech, 5" gives the player his own choice of 5 techs at the start.

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