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Title: the truth about global warming
Post by: BlaneckW on April 23, 2014, 06:44:37 PM
Pedantic and abstract global warming talk, relying on computer simulations and whims of weather (climate), and not necessarily even effecting colder countries negatively, distracts from concrete concerns such as oil spills.


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Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 23, 2014, 06:53:26 PM
I'm going to abuse my owner powers on this thread if the customary right-wing political crankism ensues.  This is a very bad subject to test my good nature on.

-That isn't directed at you, B.
Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: Yitzi on April 23, 2014, 07:04:57 PM
Yeah; whether global warming is a real concern or not (I think it is), it's a bad move to lump it in with pollution-sort ecological issues.
Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 23, 2014, 07:10:07 PM
It's a bad move to let political cranks on either side muddy the science.
Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: Geo on April 23, 2014, 07:12:42 PM
..., and not necessarily even effecting colder countries negatively,...[/img]

 ;lol
Quite a centric point of view. "Not in my backwater? Ignore it!"
Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: Yitzi on April 23, 2014, 07:27:30 PM
It's a bad move to let political cranks on either side muddy the science.

This is one of those rare statements that is true pretty much regardless of context.
Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: BlaneckW on April 23, 2014, 07:33:31 PM
It's a bad move to let political cranks on either side muddy the science.
The people cannot understand science even if wasn't corrupt.  As for global warming, it would do wonders for siberia - just as solar power would do wonders for the U.S. economy.

Quite a centric point of view. "Not in my backwater? Ignore it!"
Brazil was a desert during the last ice age.  I don't live there, but my understanding is that Brazil is actually a rather temperate country.  It it became warmer rather than colder, then perhaps they should count their blessings.

Yeah; whether global warming is a real concern or not (I think it is), it's a bad move to lump it in with pollution-sort ecological issues.
That's exactly right.  It's a bad idea to lump it in with more practical concerns which can actually be addressed.
Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 23, 2014, 07:45:57 PM
Do we all agree, however, that pollution is bad and there's probably a connection?
Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: BlaneckW on April 23, 2014, 07:53:35 PM
Do we all agree, however, that pollution is bad and there's probably a connection?

Pollution is "bad", but the climate has been cooling for at least several years, the last one having been the worst.
http://www.socialistphalanx.com/t1405-climate-change-with-trinny (http://www.socialistphalanx.com/t1405-climate-change-with-trinny)
Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: Geo on April 23, 2014, 07:55:37 PM
Brazil was a desert during the last ice age.  I don't live there, but my understanding is that Brazil is actually a rather temperate country.  It it became warmer rather than colder, then perhaps they should count their blessings.

I could walk all the way up to Ireland back in that age. Can't do that anymore due to the 'global warming' since then. And I'm pretty sure the Berber ancestors weren't happy to see their homelands turn into a sandbox. :P
Seriously, comparing geological ages?
Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: BlaneckW on April 23, 2014, 07:57:23 PM
Seriously, comparing geological ages?
Thank you for asking.  Geologically, we are due for an ice age.

There have been several miniature ones over the centuries, but there is a desire by governments and the like to overlook certain matters.
Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: Geo on April 23, 2014, 08:00:03 PM
You're pushing buttons, and loving every second of it.

As far as my reading goes, Earth is not due for another ice age for at least several tens of thousands of years.
Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: BlaneckW on April 23, 2014, 08:04:31 PM
You're pushing buttons, and loving every second of it.

No.

As far as my reading goes, Earth is not due for another ice age for at least several tens of thousands of years.

That's only true for the long-scale ones.  Shorter ones come along more frequently.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/23/opinion/sunday/lessons-from-the-little-ice-age.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/23/opinion/sunday/lessons-from-the-little-ice-age.html?_r=0)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/24/solar-lull-little-ice-age-sun-scientists_n_4645248.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/24/solar-lull-little-ice-age-sun-scientists_n_4645248.html)
Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: Geo on April 23, 2014, 08:14:53 PM
No.

Liar. :P

Then you should have posted you meant mini-ice ages like the Maunder Minimum or more broadly put the Little Ice Age.
Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: BlaneckW on April 23, 2014, 08:20:10 PM
Then you should have posted you meant mini-ice ages like the Maunder Minimum or more broadly put the Little Ice Age.
I am sure that there are many things that I should have done.
Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 23, 2014, 08:25:35 PM
Geo, liar is going too far.  Manners, sir.




This is why I wanted to delete this thread on site.  If I see Dale in here, it's gone.  Everyone be civil.
Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: BlaneckW on April 23, 2014, 08:27:15 PM
Don't worry, he is beginning to enjoy it.

Also, I was civil the entire time.  Poor choice of words.
Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 23, 2014, 08:30:23 PM
What's appropriate is contextual.

Given the topic, I expect good manners and no speculation about anyone's integrity - including climate scientists not present.
Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: BlaneckW on April 23, 2014, 08:37:59 PM
I would never go so far as to claim integrity, in fact I've decided to adopt neutral evil as my official DND alignment.  Curiously polite and benevolent neutral evil, of course.
Title: Sensei says...
Post by: Geo on April 23, 2014, 08:41:00 PM
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Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: BlaneckW on April 23, 2014, 08:46:09 PM
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Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 23, 2014, 08:57:18 PM
 ;lol

Speculating about one's own integrity is allowed, of course.
Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: BlaneckW on April 23, 2014, 09:02:00 PM
The wizards.com alignment test isn't particularly good.
Title: ...
Post by: Geo on April 23, 2014, 09:03:54 PM
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Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: BlaneckW on April 23, 2014, 09:16:19 PM
Why don't you find the good ones and put them in a list for me.
Title: Thank you for asking.
Post by: Geo on April 23, 2014, 09:48:58 PM
 ;b;
Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 23, 2014, 09:52:13 PM
I just don't know sometimes. ;)
Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: Geo on April 23, 2014, 09:55:27 PM
I just don't know sometimes. ;)

I think you did in this case.
Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 23, 2014, 10:02:49 PM
Everyone is walking on eggs in here, and you know why.
Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: BlaneckW on April 23, 2014, 10:55:47 PM
I was serious.
Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: Unorthodox on April 24, 2014, 12:40:32 AM
Do we all agree, however, that pollution is bad and there's probably a connection?

Pollution is "bad", but the climate has been cooling for at least several years, the last one having been the worst.
http://www.socialistphalanx.com/t1405-climate-change-with-trinny (http://www.socialistphalanx.com/t1405-climate-change-with-trinny)



"Socialist Phalanx"....

yeah, there's a site that I'm sure is grounded in solid science...
Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: Yitzi on April 24, 2014, 02:30:54 AM
Do we all agree, however, that pollution is bad and there's probably a connection?

Pollution is bad, but if anything it's more likely to reduce global warming than increase it.
Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 24, 2014, 02:34:35 AM
That depends on what type pollution, and it's all a matter of not pooping our own nest.
Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: Yitzi on April 24, 2014, 02:40:03 AM
That depends on what type pollution

I don't think so, unless you count greenhouse gasses as pollution.  (I don't, as they don't actually do any damage directly.)

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and it's all a matter of not pooping our own nest.

That's true.
Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 24, 2014, 02:41:47 AM
You should, as they're a waste product we put out (that causes harm, whether direct or not).
Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: Yitzi on April 24, 2014, 03:03:15 AM
You should, as they're a waste product we put out (that causes harm, whether direct or not).

To me, "pollution" implies that it is "dirty" in some way, not just indirectly harmful.  It's really a semantics question, though.

(It's also a good distinction to make because one is a lot more context-dependent than the others; if we were in a bad ice age, some greenhouse gasses might be a good thing.)
Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: BlaneckW on April 24, 2014, 11:35:30 AM
"Socialist Phalanx"....

yeah, there's a site that I'm sure is grounded in solid science...
It's a list of links I made for last year's weather.  I tried to post them to a fascist website too, but they banned me because they are very unfunny people.  I had told them that my world vision is "retro hotel rooms..."
Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: BlaneckW on April 25, 2014, 12:09:37 PM
Tornado activity hits 60-year low
http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2013/05/09/quiet-tornado-season/2148075/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2013/05/09/quiet-tornado-season/2148075/)

The USA in the past 12 months has seen the fewest number of tornadoes since at least 1954, and the death tolls from the dangerous storms have dropped dramatically since 2011.

Just two years after a ferocious series of tornado outbreaks killed hundreds of Americans, the USA so far this year is enjoying one of the calmest years on record for twisters. Through Thursday, tornadoes have killed only three Americans in 2013; by the end of May 2011, 543 Americans had died.

The year-to-date count of tornadoes is probably approaching the lower 10% of all years on record, said Greg Carbin, warning coordination meteorologist with the Storm Prediction Center in Norman.

The reason: An unusually cool weather pattern from the Rockies to the East Coast. "Generally, the lower the temperature and/or the drier the air, the lower the number of thunderstorms," said AccuWeather meteorologist Alex Sosnowski.
Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: BlaneckW on April 25, 2014, 05:47:25 PM
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Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: BlaneckW on April 26, 2014, 10:04:34 AM
What do you know, it looks like China is getting hotter.
https://rgsweather.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/temp-anomaly-global-departure-from-average.png
Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: BlaneckW on April 26, 2014, 06:46:57 PM
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ro&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fstirileprotv.ro%2Fstiri%2Factualitate%2Fcod-galben-de-ploi-si-ninsori-pana-sambata-dimineata-drumuri-blocate-si-masini-inzapezite-in-harghita-si-suceava.html&edit-text=&act=url (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ro&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fstirileprotv.ro%2Fstiri%2Factualitate%2Fcod-galben-de-ploi-si-ninsori-pana-sambata-dimineata-drumuri-blocate-si-masini-inzapezite-in-harghita-si-suceava.html&edit-text=&act=url)

I worry for the agriculture.

I hope that these events will finally put down the vile denialism as the world descends back into winter, demonstrating thoroughly the long-term warming indicated by the very correct, unpresumptuous and agendaless computer models, and that we take the correct measures to combat carbon dioxide such as not heating our homes and make other sacrifices for our psychopathic politicians and rich who only want what is best for us .

Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 26, 2014, 07:27:25 PM
Don't kid a kidder, B.  This thread is hanging by a thread, and you just frayed it more.
Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: BlaneckW on April 26, 2014, 08:17:56 PM
I am only reporting the news.  It is my opinion that history will bear out the truth of a slightly warmer Africa.
http://i1054.photobucket.com/albums/s499/WeatherDem/GlobalTemperatureAnomalyMap201303_zpsf432fd9b.gif (http://i1054.photobucket.com/albums/s499/WeatherDem/GlobalTemperatureAnomalyMap201303_zpsf432fd9b.gif)
Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 26, 2014, 08:34:10 PM
Now you're being disingenuous.  I noted your sarcasm before, and denying it makes it worse.  I'm asking you not to test my patience again in here.

Edit:  The edits after I reply aren't fooling me either.
Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: Unorthodox on April 27, 2014, 04:45:20 AM
Tornado activity hits 60-year low
http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2013/05/09/quiet-tornado-season/2148075/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2013/05/09/quiet-tornado-season/2148075/)

The USA in the past 12 months has seen the fewest number of tornadoes since at least 1954, and the death tolls from the dangerous storms have dropped dramatically since 2011.

Just two years after a ferocious series of tornado outbreaks killed hundreds of Americans, the USA so far this year is enjoying one of the calmest years on record for twisters. Through Thursday, tornadoes have killed only three Americans in 2013; by the end of May 2011, 543 Americans had died.

The year-to-date count of tornadoes is probably approaching the lower 10% of all years on record, said Greg Carbin, warning coordination meteorologist with the Storm Prediction Center in Norman.

The reason: An unusually cool weather pattern from the Rockies to the East Coast. "Generally, the lower the temperature and/or the drier the air, the lower the number of thunderstorms," said AccuWeather meteorologist Alex Sosnowski.


Had to laugh, news today is for a rash of tornados this weekend. 
Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: Unorthodox on April 30, 2014, 12:32:23 PM
So, uh, how are those tornado averages looking now? 
Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: Geo on April 30, 2014, 03:07:44 PM
On schedule, perhaps?
Title: Re: the truth about global warming
Post by: BlaneckW on April 30, 2014, 08:01:11 PM
I don't keep track of them you know.  We don't get any tornadoes in New Mexico.
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