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Title: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on August 26, 2013, 03:38:25 AM

Would it be possible for you to do Vazheli and my other factions? I love your work and love to see some posters/etc made for them. I can't wire money online as I am both paranoid and don't know where to wire to, but I can repay in art or a custom faction in your honour.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on August 26, 2013, 04:04:00 AM

Quote from: JarlWolf on August 26, 2013, 03:38:25 AM

Would it be possible for you to do Vazheli and my other factions? I love your work and love to see some posters/etc made for them. I can't wire money online as I am both paranoid and don't know where to wire to, but I can repay in art or a custom faction in your honour.

Sure, I'd be happy to work on Vazheli for free. Please post some reference pictures for me to work from.

Hmm.. Buncle is probably going to want us to move this project to its own thread...

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on August 26, 2013, 04:06:04 AM

That's fine... I only have one photo of "Vazheli" as a character, but I can substitute it for photo's of myself if need be... though I do not look the exact same as Vazheli. (Similar, but definitely not the same.)

I'll message you Vazheli's picture, and you tell me if you want more references.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 26, 2013, 04:35:00 AM

Some stuff from Jarl's AAR:

(http://s.iosfans.com/?u=http://www.ifans.com/forums/imgcache/30719.png)

(http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2007/231/WICPropagandaPoster_Australia2111_screen.jpg)

More to come...

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 26, 2013, 04:38:48 AM

(http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m494/JarlWolf/ComradesProp1_zpsd054c74e.png)

(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110205012927/redfaction/images/1/1e/Alec_mason_(2).jpg)

(http://th05.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2012/115/4/d/a_people__s_rising_by_party9999999-d4xjqxm.png)

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 26, 2013, 04:41:05 AM

And this is the leader, Comrade Vazheli Vatzev.

(http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m494/JarlWolf/VazheliVatzev_zpsce37b971.png)

Important to note that Comrade Vatzev is a hard man and a bad enemy to make, but he is a true egalitarian who doesn't want a cult of personality...

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on August 26, 2013, 05:37:48 PM

Mmm!  Lots of good ideas here!  Thanks for posting!

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Vishniac on August 26, 2013, 07:33:11 PM

A comics cover (that unfortunately I haven't read) that could interest you.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on September 03, 2013, 04:05:24 PM

Have been working on a head morph for Vatzev.  How's this looking?

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 03, 2013, 04:24:25 PM

You're getting there fast.  There's something right about the eyes.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on September 03, 2013, 04:37:35 PM

Somehow he looks a little too young.  The mustache needs to be thicker, too.  Still working...

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 03, 2013, 04:40:24 PM

Of course you're not done with the hair, either...

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on September 03, 2013, 04:53:35 PM

no, I am done with the hair.  not much more I can do with that hair model.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on September 03, 2013, 05:05:44 PM

With thicker mustache...

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Geo on September 03, 2013, 05:37:58 PM

Quote from: Mylochka on September 03, 2013, 04:05:24 PM

How's this looking?

Scary?  ;aaa

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on September 03, 2013, 05:44:23 PM

Good.  I think we're going for a certain degree of the scary...

With different hair and scars:

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Geo on September 03, 2013, 05:51:36 PM

The hair's definitely an improvement.  ;b;

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 03, 2013, 06:01:51 PM

It looks as much like Jarl as his character (but would need a much shaggier mustache for that)...

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Geo on September 03, 2013, 06:36:25 PM

Btw, does that exist, somewhat asian-slanted green eyes?

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 03, 2013, 06:54:38 PM

Higher, less-sloping, forehead, might fix a lot, I think...

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Vishniac on September 03, 2013, 09:10:58 PM

Quote from: Geo on September 03, 2013, 05:37:58 PM

Quote from: Mylochka on September 03, 2013, 04:05:24 PM

How's this looking?

Scary?  ;aaa

Scary because he reminds me strongly of...Stalin. The face, the eyes!
With only different hair and mustache

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on September 03, 2013, 11:14:05 PM

Mhm... I am liking this so far.

I suggest having a higher forehead/less sloping: I in reality have a modestly tall forehead. His overall jawline and head should be al ot more jarring and stronger looking, his jawline in particular should be a bit pronounced. My mustache/Vazheli's is a lot thicker then that and fuller too, covers more of the lip. You can also make him have an unshaven appearance with his face in general, to make him more rougher.

As for his hair, it's more of like a short military style cut, and the hairline is receding, but not balding.


And yes, Vazheli (And myself) are rather intimidating men. Both he and myself have done rather brutal things, but as Vazheli is sort of like an extension of myself, he's not a man who did it all for cruelty or paranoia: He had to make hard decisions and he's not overly proud of it.

As for his relation to Stalin... personality wise he could be as ruthless, but he's nowhere near as paranoid (or cruel) then Stalin, and he has a lot more empathy and benevolence. If Vazheli was your boss, he'd be the hard liner boss that wants you to do your job and would get pretty pissed if you wasted his time, but if you do do it properly he'll be friendly with you and have a sort of grim humour and cheekiness about him. And that, and he treats people who are reliable and have proven themselves ardent workers like relative family, he's not a type of guy who's all about the rules, he doesn't care if someone is casual. What he does care about is that the person pulls his or her own weight and respects a person when they do.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 03, 2013, 11:19:30 PM

Ha.  I called that.  You should PM her some photos...

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on September 04, 2013, 12:14:53 AM

Mhm.. though I think she has the idea downpat already. Just minor tweaks is needed.

For the jawline stuff, don't mean him to have like superman style cartoon jaw, but for his jaw/chin make it a bit more pronounced perhaps, more forward and less convex/inward facing. And for his head, higher forehead and with the hair suggestions, receding hairline but not balding, more of a military cut. I'll see if I can grab more photo's of myself if needed...

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 04, 2013, 12:16:33 AM

I owe you some back.  Soon...

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on September 04, 2013, 12:21:53 AM

Oh yeah!

While I am not personally missing an eye, Vazheli is.

The story behind it I am still trying to figure out, but it was either a brutal hand to hand fight with a Progenitor or it was shrapnel that flew and ripped it out.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on September 04, 2013, 01:02:10 AM

oh, yeah...forgot about the missing eye.. Well, here's another try:

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on September 04, 2013, 01:07:08 AM

You are definitely getting there, I'd say the face is near perfect. The only thing that needs to happen now is the obvious eye+leather band, and his hair needs to be fixed. He has more of a military cut, or a buzz cut if you will, and his hair has a bit of brown in it at the top. Also don't be afraid to make it a bit more receding.

It's not as... flopped down (I lack the proper words in english to describe it) like its more upright and his hair is shorter then that.

A while back I sent my daughter an old photo of myself, and I forgot I uploaded it. Mind, she's a film artist/ photographer and this is not the original quality of the photo, she managed to enhance it quite a bit.

(http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m494/JarlWolf/r39_zps15013436.jpg)

Mind: This photo is relatively old. I am much more aged then this photo, this was taken back at least a few decades.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 04, 2013, 01:20:41 AM

Hair is surprisingly difficult in Poser/Draz...

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on September 04, 2013, 01:41:09 AM

Still adjusting the jawline a little.  Trying a different hair model -- but this one is way to fluffy.  The eyepatch I found isn't broad enough either.... Still looking...

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 04, 2013, 01:45:55 AM

Quote from: JarlWolf on September 04, 2013, 01:07:08 AM

A while back I sent my daughter an old photo of myself, and I forgot I uploaded it. Mind, she's a film artist/ photographer and this is not the original quality of the photo, she managed to enhance it quite a bit.

(http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m494/JarlWolf/r39_zps15013436.jpg)

Mind: This photo is relatively old. I am much more aged then this photo, this was taken back at least a few decades.

Holy [poop]!  I didn't know Tom Selleck was Russian, and he's supposed to be a Republican.

Erik Braden, anyway...

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on September 04, 2013, 02:03:05 AM

This hair model seems more promising...

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on September 04, 2013, 02:22:50 AM

Quote from: BUncle on September 04, 2013, 01:45:55 AM

Quote from: JarlWolf on September 04, 2013, 01:07:08 AM

A while back I sent my daughter an old photo of myself, and I forgot I uploaded it. Mind, she's a film artist/ photographer and this is not the original quality of the photo, she managed to enhance it quite a bit.

(http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m494/JarlWolf/r39_zps15013436.jpg)

Mind: This photo is relatively old. I am much more aged then this photo, this was taken back at least a few decades.

Holy [poop]!  I didn't know Tom Selleck was Russian, and he's supposed to be a Republican.

Erik Braden, anyway...

I've been told I look like him before (Tom Sellick)... looking at some things, kind of shocking actually.

Edit: And kind of hilarious to boot, I look like someone who played a Nazi  ;lol


Also, on account of the hair it is indeed looking better. Though, the eyepatch isn't that shape and its also more brown to boot. It's more of just a thick leather band then an actual eyepatch.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on September 04, 2013, 03:13:55 AM

shorter hair and different eyepatch

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on September 04, 2013, 03:20:16 AM

That looks a lot better... just make it more brown if possible and modify it, mainly in making it more flat and without the ripples.

If that can be done, it'd be perfect.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 04, 2013, 03:25:07 AM

I think that's got it if you can make the strap flat and dark brown like a belt...

Also, he looks happy in that shot.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on September 04, 2013, 03:30:21 AM

Quote from: BUncle on September 04, 2013, 03:25:07 AM

I think that's got it if you can make the strap flat and dark brown like a belt...

Also, he looks happy in that shot.

He's not ALWAYS grim looking. Just 90% of the time.  ;lol

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 04, 2013, 06:28:11 AM

He must be talking to his daughter or his stinky dog, then.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on September 06, 2013, 10:38:27 PM

Here's another try at an eyepatch and some potential costumes.  The picture shows him wearing a blue striped shirt under his jacket... I didn't know if you wanted that.  The fit of the coat is not good and it will need a new texture.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on September 06, 2013, 11:21:13 PM

Make the pants a dark brown, same style if possible. As for that eyepatch... it doesn't seem to really cover the actual eye well, looks odd. If it were possible... maybe even merge that one and the other two together and make them brown.


(I don't know a thing about Poser mind... maybe a link to it so I can research it?)

Other then that... I am liking it so far.

The coat is bulky, and too light of colour, a darker form of brown or even a green like his shirt would be what would be optimal. Plus the three striped Sergeant insignia is a bit out of place/unfitting. The shirt is cool looking and very similar to what he could wear. Though, He'd have the sleeves rolled up to his elbows for the most part.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 06, 2013, 11:26:51 PM

Oh, I'd guess he rose through the ranks even if he was ever an officer before Planet.  -Part of his great affinity for the common touch; he was never privileged, but pulled himself up by his bootstraps - thus, the stripes could sort of fit.

Why not just let her put a standard eye patch on him?  The strap is obviously something improvised in the field in the original picture.  Poser is terrible at things like that, so it's a lot of work, otherwise...

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on September 06, 2013, 11:30:58 PM

I suppose... though it's also part of his look.

If that eyepatch is too difficult to obtain/create, I'd settle for a regular one. Just it has to be black, or brown is all.

But if possible, the band is optimal. I really appreciate you doing this; I really do. Just trying to hone his image down is all.

Edit: And note; He was a was a civilian janitor head beforehand, and he doesn't refer himself as a rank, merely Comrade. Otherwise he'd be elevating his position above others and he does not want that.

If this is giving you stress Mylochka let me know, I do not intend that. Just giving feedback as to improve the image.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on September 07, 2013, 04:41:03 AM

No stress. Don't worry.It usually takes time to get a character model just right, but once we have it, it will be right for as many pictures as you want.

Still working on the eyepatch. It's difficult to get it to fit nicely to the face like the patch in the picture does... But I've still got a few more ideas I can try.

Here are two different textures for the pants -- Which do you like best?

I also shortened the sleeves and tried a different fabric with more texture.  Do you like this better than the previous version.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on September 07, 2013, 04:48:34 AM

Here's a little video about the program I use: Poser: What Will You Create? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7cIX4BG-UA#ws)

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on September 07, 2013, 05:10:13 AM

That's pretty cool... How much does it cost normally? I wouldn't mind toying with something like that.

Also, on account of the shirt:

All you need to do is see if you can fold the ends of the shirt up on the elbow, make it look like it has a folded appearance. Then it's spot on.

I liked the older texture/colour better, the texture/green for it was relatively fine.

If you could get that trench coat in a similar green or a brown that'd be pretty cool, though the shirt works good too.

As for the new pants... the green pants are basically perfect. They fit very well in terms of colour, I am happy with that.



On another note: Make Vazheli a bit more stocky/wider shouldered, and a tad more buff. He's a grizzled leader accustomed to war, and he's the type of leader who will fight assassins himself, blade and pistol in hand, not just completely relying on security. He can handle himself in a fight.

Essentially, he should be pretty close to my physique. Bit of muscle and such here and there... hard to explain, but I do have photo provided.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on September 07, 2013, 04:03:16 PM

Quote from: JarlWolf on September 07, 2013, 05:10:13 AM

That's pretty cool... How much does it cost normally? I wouldn't mind toying with something like that.

There is a similar program you can get for free called DAZ Studio http://www.daz3d.com/products (http://www.daz3d.com/products)
Daz Studio is made by a company who originally just created figures, clothing, props, and sets for Poser.  Their program is available for free because they figure that if you like the program, you're going to spend a lot of money at their site buying things to go with the program... They're usually quite right about this...

A full version of the latest edition of Poser (Poser 10) is available for purchase here: http://poser.smithmicro.com/buy.html (http://poser.smithmicro.com/buy.html)
It costs $299.99 -- However you can get it for less at other places like Amazon - http://www.amazon.com/Smith-Micro-Software-Inc-Poser/dp/B00CSJFWUY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1378565062&sr=8-1&keywords=poser (http://www.amazon.com/Smith-Micro-Software-Inc-Poser/dp/B00CSJFWUY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1378565062&sr=8-1&keywords=poser)
You can get older versions of the program (that still work perfectly fine.  I'm running Poser 6 on one of my computers) there for around $74 http://www.amazon.com/Smith-Micro-Software-Inc-PSR9HDVD/dp/B005LXIJ7M/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1378565062&sr=8-3&keywords=poser (http://www.amazon.com/Smith-Micro-Software-Inc-PSR9HDVD/dp/B005LXIJ7M/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1378565062&sr=8-3&keywords=poser) (for Poser 9 -- which is what I'm using in the pictures I've posted here) or an even older version for $24 http://www.amazon.com/Smith-Micro-Software-Inc-PSR8HBX2/dp/B002KMQ8WU/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1378565062&sr=8-4&keywords=poser (http://www.amazon.com/Smith-Micro-Software-Inc-PSR8HBX2/dp/B002KMQ8WU/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1378565062&sr=8-4&keywords=poser)

Smith Micro also has frequent sales. I bought my copy of Poser 9 on sale for $50 from Smith Micro right before Poser 10 was due to come out.

[Since a few seconds after I hit the "post" button, BU will storm into the room where I am to demand an answer to the question, "Why did I pay for a new version of Poser when I could have downloaded DAZ Studio for free?" let me go ahead and answer. I've been using Poser since 2003.  I'm used to the way the program is set up.  DAZ Studio makes the same kind of pictures, but is set up differently.  Since I've been working with the Poser-style set up for so long, DS is uncomfortable for me to use.  It's the some sort of reason that BU keeps on using GIMP even when I offer to give him copies of Photoshop for free.]

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on September 07, 2013, 10:47:49 PM

Hrm... I might definitely look into both then... I wish I had a means to copy real life materials artwork to the internet though, I've got some nice paintings/sketches I've made over the years.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Geo on September 07, 2013, 10:53:49 PM

Quote from: JarlWolf on September 07, 2013, 10:47:49 PM

Hrm... I might definitely look into both then... I wish I had a means to copy real life materials artwork to the internet though, I've got some nice paintings/sketches I've made over the years.

Close-up digital pictures?

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on September 07, 2013, 10:55:48 PM

I lack digital camera, and while I am sitting comfortably with money right now I don't have loads of it to spend. And I am not spending money on camera that takes bad photo's like some Lomo rip off nonsense... So I'll just ask my daughter to take photos of it sooner or later.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 07, 2013, 10:58:17 PM

We have artists here, and would very much like to see your work when that happens...

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on September 07, 2013, 11:00:15 PM

Mhm... I've done mainly paintings of stuff I liked: I've made a painting of Marv from Sin City, and I've also made a painting of Clint Eastwood and Eli Wallach from The Good, The Bad and The Ugly. The latter is done in a more goofy abstract style, but I've been told it wasn't half bad.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 07, 2013, 11:02:53 PM

 ;excite;

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on September 07, 2013, 11:09:26 PM

I've also done loads of "Combat Art" as it's called but most of it was confiscated/ I sold or gave to former colleagues/friends. Might still have a few pieces though... I remember I engraved an old spent artillery shell, its probably somewhere in a musty box in my home... if not I probably sold it.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 07, 2013, 11:39:18 PM

Uno is always interested in sculpture, being a sculptor himself, as am I - you could post carved stuff in his thread, or here, or start a new thread for showcasing all your work...

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 08, 2013, 12:49:31 AM

Quote from: Mylochka on September 07, 2013, 04:03:16 PM

[Since a few seconds after I hit the "post" button, BU will storm into the room where I am to demand an answer to the question, "Why did I pay for a new version of Poser when I could have downloaded DAZ Studio for free?" let me go ahead and answer. I've been using Poser since 2003.  I'm used to the way the program is set up.  DAZ Studio makes the same kind of pictures, but is set up differently.  Since I've been working with the Poser-style set up for so long, DS is uncomfortable for me to use.  It's the some sort of reason that BU keeps on using GIMP even when I offer to give him copies of Photoshop for free.]

Given that I didn't want to storm into any rooms at any point, I should say that I assumed that the commercial product was better and that I don't approve of piracy - and I'd be fine if there was a way to get my old edition of Photoshop5 running on W7...  But it's correct that I AM used to GIMP now.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on September 08, 2013, 01:46:11 AM

Quote from: BUncle on September 07, 2013, 11:39:18 PM

Uno is always interested in sculpture, being a sculptor himself, as am I - you could post carved stuff in his thread, or here, or start a new thread for showcasing all your work...

Mind It's just an etched drawing from what I remember from me scratching it in, not an actual sculpture. I still haven't found it yet... and I am a bit tired so I'll try another time.

Note, a lot of my stuff was confiscated, and wouldn't be appropriate for this forum anyways because a lot of artwork I did back then was jokes and some rather lewd stuff. I once drew the quartermaster at this one outpost on a piece of shrapnel in a bra and panties with his face etched on the body as a joke. There is a whole other story behind that, and out of respect I won't share it, but overall it was pretty hilarious. Hilarious enough where if some M.P officer saw it I may have had an infracture of protocol on my record, and probably a long winded and tiring evaluation. xD

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on September 14, 2013, 11:10:19 PM

How is progress on good old Vazheli?

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on September 15, 2013, 01:52:25 AM

I'm working on a new texture to convert an RAF uniform into one for Vazheli.  It looks very similar to the uniform model I've been using, but has rolled-up sleeves and comes with morphs that will allow it to fit over a more stocky body build.  Hope to have some pictures to show soon. 

Still thinking of ways I can change the shape of that eyepatch-strap thing...

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on September 15, 2013, 02:04:58 AM

Sounds good, I am definitely looking forward to it.

Is it possible to recolour things in poser? like if you got an article of clothing, can one change it's colour and such?

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on September 15, 2013, 02:27:05 AM

Yes, definitely.  You can just change the color of the object or add a texture that will change the color and the texture of the surface to give it the look of different sorts of fabrics and other materials.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on September 15, 2013, 02:29:47 AM

Right one last question: Is it possible to have multiple objects sort of overlayed on each other? (Like if you wanted to do something silly like put a hat on top of another hat, or move them inside each other.)

If you can do that... then I think I might have an idea as to how to solve this eyeband conundrum.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on September 15, 2013, 02:46:47 AM

The answer is yes... sometimes. 

"Conforming" models are created to adhere to the figure you place them on.  You can't layer those.  But plain props can be layered.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on September 15, 2013, 03:06:24 AM

Hmm....


Idea:


Take the first Band you showed me, or this one:

(click to show/hide)

(http://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4202.0;attach=6764;image)

And then layer it/merge it with this one:

(click to show/hide)

(http://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4202.0;attach=6850;image)

And then make it a brown like this:

(click to show/hide)

(http://wallpaperdev.com/stock/textures-wallpapers-brown-color-grunge-texture-backgrounds-pics.jpg)

Or this

(click to show/hide)

(http://www.chairsline.com/sites/default/files/Brown.jpg)
(https://www.sewwhatfabrics.ca/wp-content/uploads/goodtime-brown-1024x930.jpg)

(It doesn't have to emulate the texture, just the colour.)

Texturewise, you don't have to go into that much detail, just make it flat/without big ripples. If it helps you to have a target for texture...

(click to show/hide)

(http://basader.com/shop/386-thickbox_default/mens-handmade-brown-belt.jpg)

Of course if you got a better way to do it, this is a suggestion from an old fart who knows scratch all about the program you are using. Hope it helps though!

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on September 15, 2013, 03:10:08 AM

Yeah... I think I can do that. If I can make one of those pictures into a seamless tile, I can use it directly as the texture.

Will get back to you on this one!

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on September 15, 2013, 05:12:49 AM

Okay, here's the two eyestraps merged together with a texture I made out of one of your pictures...

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on September 15, 2013, 06:09:06 AM

That is beautiful.

I think we have our eye-band....

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on September 16, 2013, 02:58:09 AM

 :bot: :bot: :bot:Hooray!  :bot: :bot: :bot: Now to convert that RAF jacket into something useable....

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on September 16, 2013, 03:02:44 AM

I have high hopes: Your work has been splendid thus far.


If the jacket goes awry, another suggestion is maybe take the first segment of the eye band and then put it on the edges of the shirt to make it look like it's folded, and colour it the same green as the rest of the shirt.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on September 16, 2013, 03:48:55 AM

Oh, that's a very good idea!  Could definitely work if the RAF jacket will not cooperate...

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on September 16, 2013, 03:55:14 AM

I'll use that anticipation smily I see BUncle use often  ;lol

 ;excite;

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on September 22, 2013, 03:46:06 AM

Well, here's the RAF desert uniform converted.  This model does have morphs that allow me to use a more stocky build on the character and it does have rolled up sleeves, but the sleeves are too short and I'm not sure this character would tuck his shirt in like this.. What do you think?

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on September 22, 2013, 05:02:22 AM

Yeah... Vazheli isn't the type to tuck his shirt in, and the sleeves are rolled up too far it seems.

The green also seems a tad dark, because lets compare:

(click to show/hide)

(http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m494/JarlWolf/VazheliVatzev_zpsce37b971.png)

As you can see, the Green is lighter, almost a tan tinge to it/olive drab.

Vazheli is a stern character, but he's also somewhat casual in his attire. He's a modest man that doesn't care dressing up fancy for things, and that's part of the appeal of him as a leader: he's down to earth and comes from a pretty humble, modest level to his followers. At times, he might wear a brown trenchcoat that's about the same hue as his band, and perhaps a commissar style cap or army cap with visor.

The old shirt might be better, still not sure though. This one could have variations/potential.
 Also making the pants the same brown/similar to the eyepatch, his pants, at least in my envisioning of him, are brown instead of green. And he has these colours on his uniform/garb because it's a better blend for the environment of Chiron, browns and beiges.
Wouldn't be a camo pattern probably, just a brown.


So my humble suggestion is to change pant colour to a brown, then make the shirt lighter/more similar to the picture. Use the old shirt if need be and just use the first segment of the eye band to make the rolled up sleeves. Up to you on that one though in the end.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on September 22, 2013, 08:00:10 PM

Okay.  Here's the old jacket with the added on cuffs.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on September 23, 2013, 12:26:18 AM

Right: Now we just need to recolour it. If you need a colour/pattern to draw from/use:

(click to show/hide)

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/assets.source4style.com/products/3467/dark-green-vegetable-tan-3-oz-natural-grain-goat-leather-large.jpg)
(http://www.elitecrete.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/650x650/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/p/e/pecan_tan.png)
(http://www.elitecrete.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/650x650/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/p/e/pecan_tan.png)

Note: This tan I think will work the best, but the others are there just for experimentation.
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSpZzDEFNc5DpRyWEEN9GKpUlmNI7jgIFhafmIFUkj6NDeKQg7j)

The pants should be a brown like this colour, with the boots being black.

(click to show/hide)

(http://www.chairsline.com/sites/default/files/Brown.jpg)
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS9MQ7DQjj_FJA7keGiePjMpxyNturacnn6td0JzT_ZrwDvq_Qjuw)

Hope it helps.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on September 23, 2013, 01:47:12 AM

Okay.  Will do!

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on September 29, 2013, 02:53:54 AM

Hows progress?

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 29, 2013, 03:11:12 AM

Mylochka's been kind've sick all week, and not making a lot of progress on anything, including her job.  But when I just went out to tell her you'd posted at her, I caught her working with your textures, so there's that.  SHe had downloaded them earlier, and maybe something to report soon.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on September 29, 2013, 03:44:16 AM

Well, tell her that she has my best wishes of getting better. I too have been feeling fairly ill, I had a abhorrid nosebleed a while ago. She's a tough trooper for sticking to it though, that's dedication.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 29, 2013, 03:45:30 AM

She'll probably have something to report tonight, but I dunno how close she is to having something to show.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on September 29, 2013, 04:16:20 AM

Sorry for the delay!  Here's the new texture for the jacket and the pants.  (this shot doesn't have the special cuffs on the jacket.)

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on September 29, 2013, 05:01:35 AM

Ooo... I like what I see. I also notice the dirt and grime on the shirt, how thoughtful  ;lol

Once you get the rolled up sleeves bit, I think that'll work just fine to be honest, for clothing.

Keep up the good work. I am thinking of a way to repay you for your efforts... perhaps a cameo/character in the story itself...

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on October 01, 2013, 05:37:18 PM

Not feeling good again today -- but was able to work on putting a little more detail into the jacket texture..

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Arbee on October 01, 2013, 05:53:47 PM

Exceptional work, Mylochka!

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on October 01, 2013, 05:59:05 PM

Thanks!

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on October 01, 2013, 11:39:33 PM

That's looking smart... I think its getting close to the point of being ready for the poster itself.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on October 04, 2013, 04:23:31 PM

I'm looking at some old propaganda posters and copying poses from them to use with Vatzen.  I'm trying to recreate some stances like these.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on October 04, 2013, 10:50:04 PM

It'll be good practice, but remember: Vazheli is trying to avoid Leninist depictions of him, or in other words, glorifying. He'd be more focused on appearing humble, on an equal level to his followers and not too grandiose. He's a politician like every other AC leader, but his ploy is that he's cut from the same cloth everyone else, not above it.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on October 04, 2013, 11:15:30 PM

Okay.  I'm trying to keep that balance in mind. 

I tried several poses on the figure that I already had in my runtime, but instead of looking strong and determined, they tended to make him look like he was trying to imitate high fashion male models... and the male model look looks pretty ridiculous on Vatzen...

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on October 04, 2013, 11:21:32 PM

Well with poses to practice with, go with salutes or have him working an industrial style job, or fighting. Avoid "heroic" poses, as that's not what he does normally. He avoids grandiose leader syndrome and prefers to appear as a humble working man, or a grim bad ass. Having him fighting, rugged and bloody fights, would be a very suiting situation for him. Vazheli is the type of guy, per say if there was a battle, Vazheli is the type of guy with a knife in his one hand and pistol in the other, and he'd get extremely aggressive with attackers. Or he'd be the guy swinging from the ropes, knife clenched in his teeth and a pistol in hand, guns blazing. He's a roughneck sort of guy and he's not afraid to get down and dirty when it comes to combat, he actually prefers being close to the fighting. He wants the image of being on the same level as his followers and being there with them in their hardships, as opposed to "glorious leader who makes brilliant decisions" he's more of "Down and dirty man who's there alongside you" sort of thing.

Edit: And while he does use that notion for an image, the whole working man/down and dirty fighter who isn't afraid of a bit of grime, it isn't far from the truth. Vazheli, in the AAR actually was working right on the frontline command post, you could even hear and feel the weaponry going off outside. He's the type of leader who hates desk jobs and prefers to be right in the action, and a man who highly dislikes bureaucracy. When the Crimson Comrades were fighting the Usurpers and their leader,  ;marr; , it wasn't uncommon to see Vazheli actually fighting in some way. Vazheli lost his eye actually via combat, he was fighting a Usurper, who he managed to injure and disarm, and the during the resulting mandible+knife fight that ensued, an artillery round came down not too far and Vazheli managed to avoid the blast by gutting the Progenitor with his knife and using him as a literal flesh shield against the shrapnel, but during the process his eye got literally ripped out.

So just by how he lost his eye is a sign of what he's like.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on October 04, 2013, 11:31:40 PM

Oh, I can definitely work with those images.  By the way, what kind of weapon does he carry?  ... or should I say "weapons"?

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on October 04, 2013, 11:42:12 PM

Quote from: Mylochka on October 04, 2013, 11:31:40 PM

Oh, I can definitely work with those images.  By the way, what kind of weapon does he carry?  ... or should I say "weapons"?

He tends to keep it simple, but reliable. He either goes with a knife and pistol (probably go with a laser pistol or impact weapon, just a futuristic looking pistol.)

Or he goes with a rifle style weapon with a bayonet attached. He likes his blades and he's very proficient in close quarters.

If you need inspiration...

(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060806071438/metalgear/images/9/90/Naked_Snake.jpg)
That sort of stance or (http://starsmedia.ign.com/stars/image/article/104/1041066/big-boss-of-the-day-resident-evils-jack-krauser-20091102002120726-000.jpg)

(http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/www.ign.com/4429/2011/05/metal-gear-solid-4-3.jpg)

His fighting style is similar to CQC/rough style reactionary/Krav Maga to describe it to you...
Very up close and personal fighting style, relies on busting joints in the limbs (arm especially, kneecap) and tactical throws/reactionary throws. Its generally a style of fighting aimed to disarm and avoid being struck by redirecting and getting yourself out of the way, say if someone else had a knife.

Watch this to get a bit of an idea...

Krav Maga Knife to the Throat Defense (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-FgH5uPYu8#)
Soviet Russian Army- Hand to hand combat training part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6Ewo5UpbJI#)

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on October 04, 2013, 11:51:22 PM

I was just working on a pose very like the one for Snake... our ideas are starting to converge!

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on October 04, 2013, 11:53:33 PM

 ;lol

Looking at those combat/defence video's should give you a good idea of how Vazheli, and lots of CC soldiers, fight.

Edit: Also, obviously you get a lot more closer then what the video's portray, the videos show it like that so you see the actual limbs and movement, normally you would close in to your opponent in such grapples to give you the maximum amount of pivot and to prevent them from reacting well.

Otherwise, if you can't get a grapple or its simply too dangerous to get in close, you keep your distance and you kill or disable them via a gun... And for longer melee weapons, such as machetes or bayonets, keeping close combat worth distance is smart. Use the weapons range/reach to the best of your abilities and don't allow the enemy to close in, counter and disarm you.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on October 06, 2013, 01:08:59 AM

Okay, working on some posters with just Vatzen.  Here's the first. 

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on October 06, 2013, 01:20:57 AM

Haha, that's bad ass. Though, you should reduce the exposure on the picture methinks: it's a tad bright.

Need to make it so his mustache is visible and such, and less white.

I am liking it though. Just have the letters a more bold crimson/red, reduce the exposure/levels of white on Vazheli, and make it so his mustache is more bold/thicker looking and then we got a starting poster.
Don't be afraid to throw a hammer and sickle on there somewhere too if you want, Communist insignia is welcome.

And don't be afraid to make it even more dark and gritty looking. Vazheli is a man who prides himself in the fact he's not afraid to get down and dirty, whether that means he's willing to work alongside his fellow faction doing heavy jobs with industrial equipment if he's around, or being on the frontlines and fighting himself.
Vazheli isn't the official leader or dictator of the CC either mind: The CC is led by a council of elected representatives, each representative hailing from their respective city/region. He's just sort of a General/unofficial leader in the sense that he helps guide things or assist in matters of leadership when needed.

Vazheli's original district was nuked in the current AAR. Otherwise he'd probably be elected wherever he'd be living at.


Edit: He is considered by many to be the unofficial leader of the CC, and either way he's a very iconic man in the CC for both being the founder and having led the Crimson Comrades through some of the toughest wars mankind has ever witnessed.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on October 06, 2013, 01:36:24 AM

Good! Badass is what I was aiming for.

Is this better?

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on October 06, 2013, 01:37:29 AM

Oops! Hit the wrong button...

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on October 06, 2013, 01:39:51 AM

That is cool...


Yeah, I think that one really nails it.

Right... this one is definitely going to be used- though there is the one that is pivotal to my next post, the concept I sent you in the PM's. Remember it? I can send it to you again if need be: it's been a while.

I am really liking this Mylochka, this really brings Vazheli to life.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on October 06, 2013, 02:09:53 AM

the one with the other characters in it?  Working on costumes for that one.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on October 06, 2013, 02:28:52 AM

Yeah, for that one, you can have quite a bit of liberty with that. I'm not quite sure how the Imperium slaves would actually look myself, just that they would be ragged for the most part, some would be kind of brawny (The Imperium works it's slaves hard, but slaves are property and any "property owner" is going to take care of what their own so it serves them better, so slaves in the Imperium, while often sporting scars and lots of abuse in general, are actually fairly healthy in their diet and regimen, they are kept physically fit so they can serve their masters better. So they'd probably be ragged, brawny, tanned and dirty looking, maybe with harnesses and collars or some other sort of thing to keep them in line.

That one requires a bit of creative license methinks to formulate it.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on October 06, 2013, 02:30:26 AM

Okay, I'm working on something right now...

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on October 06, 2013, 03:05:10 AM

I found this costume that might work for the women.  The male costume would have to be a bit different because I don't have a male version of this one...

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on October 06, 2013, 03:22:11 AM

Yeah, that could work.

Hrm. Male one is going to be a bit trickier... but judging by this I don't think it'll be an issue for long.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on October 06, 2013, 04:28:16 AM

Okay, not an identical costume, but very similar...

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on October 06, 2013, 04:43:55 AM

I think it works. They share a similar theme, its dirty, ragged but they don't look malnourished: or well, starving. Starving slaves isn't a good idea if your a slave owner, considering it DOES cost to replace them.

I like it. Think that you have the tools needed to create that other poster...

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on October 06, 2013, 04:54:09 AM

Working on it!

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on October 06, 2013, 04:59:16 AM

Quote from: Mylochka on October 06, 2013, 04:54:09 AM

Working on it!

 :danc:

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on October 06, 2013, 06:00:00 AM

Okay, the background on this one isn't as different from the first one as I'd like, but here it is...

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on October 06, 2013, 06:06:08 AM

That is just....  :o

Freedom is within your grasp.... thats impacting. Not only is this beautiful, I think I have an idea of what sort of character im going to cast you as now... I think you'll get a kick out of it...

I'm going to examine this a bit more... will edit this to put my full thoughts down...


Edit: Maybe a Red flag, war torn and battered in Vazheli's raised hand...

Either that, or shift his whole arm to make it so he's supporting himself on the rocks/rubble, have him leaning out more towards the slaves to give them better reach.

Might be better left alone, but it may be better to experiment with those options. We'll just have to see.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on October 06, 2013, 06:16:21 AM

Yeah, as I looked at it, I started to think that raised fist looked strange.  Kinda like he was going to help that slave up then punch him....

Here's one with his arm down.  A good battle flag would work well.... I'll look for one tomorrow.  Going to bed now...

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on October 06, 2013, 06:18:11 AM

This is really cooking... this is going to be a very fun next post, let me tell you  ;lol

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on October 06, 2013, 06:19:03 PM

here's a couple more...

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on October 06, 2013, 08:43:22 PM

Another abstract one...

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on October 07, 2013, 12:27:30 AM

For the Rise up and Freedom is within your grasp poster, bend Vazheli's other arm that's pointing away from the slaves a little to loosen it up, and maybe loosen up his hand so it doesn't look so rigid. Other then that it's perfect.


No surrender... no retreat. As cool as that sounds, probably wouldn't use that one, because tactical withdrawals is something the CC does a lot. They prefer keeping their men alive to fight another day... Plus the abstract style for that one just doesn't look as good as the others im afraid. The no surrender part is accurate though: CC soldiers typically will try to escape if its going to awry, and if they can't, its not uncommon for them to pull the pin then become a captive. The Crimson Confederacy is almost infamous for martyr soldiers, borderline suicide bombers sometimes.

I like the one with the revolting slaves though, that one is cool. A few suggestions for that one is to make Vazheli hold the knife pointing downward, instead of up: Like have it where the hilt goes above his thumb, instead of below his fingers.

(Sort of like this.)
(http://www.jayfisher.com/_borders/KnifeGripRGEO.jpg)

And rotate his wrist so the tip of the blade is facing towards the "viewer" of the poster, as he is probably aiming to do quick successions of slices or stabs.


And for his knife, maybe something a little more simple. He'd probably go with a somewhat longer blade, perhaps, but he'd like the grip is be rather simple. The guards would just be a bit cumbersome in combat, as he had to use his knife to maneuver quickly in close quarters, sometimes grabbing a person in a chokehold and then slitting their throat, etc. So he'd prefer simplicity and aerodynamics over a hand guard, guards like that are only useful if your opponents carry longer blades and such, otherwise it'd just be ignored.

And the only other suggestion for Vazheli is maybe give him that lazer pistol in his other hand, for a more militaristic close quarters combat stance sort of how Snake had it.


It may also be a good idea, just for variety, to give the female slave a futuristic rifle or something.


The Take a Stand against Tyranny is good, I like the monochromatic style to it, has a lot of contrast and is very eye catching.


I feel like I ask too much with this one, but would it be possible that there could be a poser thing down of a typical Crimson Confederacy soldier? Like just your average grunt/soldier wearing typical combat gear. If its too much to ask I can understand that, but if its possible then I will gladly share some details if you wish, I can tell you right now that they look something similar to what I have for them in their faction diplomacy screen.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Geo on October 08, 2013, 04:30:17 PM

Quote from: Mylochka on October 06, 2013, 06:19:03 PM

here's a couple more...

Purchasing ones freedom? No, that won't do as a commie/socialist catch phrase. "grab" might be better.
Marvelous illustrations there, Mylochka!  ;b;

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Arbee on October 08, 2013, 05:20:31 PM

Quote from: Geo on October 08, 2013, 04:30:17 PM

Purchasing ones freedom? No, that won't do as a commie/socialist catch phrase. "grab" might be better.
Marvelous illustrations there, Mylochka!  ;b;

Nah, "grab your freedom" sounds too selfish for the communist ideal... if you were to change it (not saying you need to, Jarl's opinion is the one that matters here), I'd go with "claim your freedom" or something along those lines.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on October 08, 2013, 10:56:59 PM

Keep in mind who its being targeted too as well: It's purchase your freedom with THE BLOOD OF THE TYRANTS. It's a sort of mockery of Capitalism at same time, the only transaction that happens in the transition to Communism.

Of course, we can modify it, but lets see how things look after the edits and we'll think on it more.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Geo on October 09, 2013, 02:52:09 PM

Quote from: Mylochka on October 06, 2013, 01:37:29 AM

Oops! Hit the wrong button...

What strikes me the most on this one is how the the sickle is curving up behind Vasheli.

@Jarl
Oh, a lethal pun. :D ;b;

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on October 14, 2013, 12:12:51 AM

Hey Mylochka, how goes those edits/progress?

Once these edits are done, I think I can roll out with the next posts, and hammer several out.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Buster's Uncle on October 14, 2013, 01:47:01 AM

She's sick, and she's lately had to focus what little energy she has on helping one of her grads with his thesis.  I'm doing a proofreading run myself, right now.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on October 14, 2013, 02:44:04 AM

Right. Best wishes for her health, and no worries  ;)

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on October 20, 2013, 11:42:43 PM

Still sick, but hope to hoping to get back to work on more posters soon.  In the meantime, BU suggested I post this picture of a green lady as a consolation prize...

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on October 21, 2013, 12:25:11 AM

 ;lol

Green ladies are always nice. Though can't see her thigh's sadly, the beautiful things they probably are  :'(

 ;lol

Don't worry too much. I'm very appreciative of what you've done so far, don't think for a moment your efforts have gone unthanked and unworthy of praise. Because when I write the next, long overdue post... it's going to payback and rock some socks off.

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: ariete on October 21, 2013, 08:02:00 PM

green is the colour i love  ;troll (no the red  ;lol @jarl  ;))

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: Mylochka on October 22, 2013, 04:03:09 PM

Well, in that case, here's one that shows a little more leg...

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: ariete on October 22, 2013, 06:31:02 PM

open your own thread milochka - greenskins- sounds good ...

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on October 24, 2013, 12:09:03 AM

Quote from: ariete on October 22, 2013, 06:31:02 PM

open your own thread milochka - greenskins- sounds good ...

Careful with the term Greenskins Ariete, you might get some kinky Orkz.

Quote from: Mylochka on October 22, 2013, 04:03:09 PM

Well, in that case, here's one that shows a little more leg...

:danc:

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: ariete on October 24, 2013, 06:27:45 PM

 ;excite; ;buttdance

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: ariete on November 14, 2013, 08:44:12 PM

mylochka, i've thinked you could interest

(http://images2.layoutsparks.com/1/155993/japanese-geisha-girl-pink.jpg)

(http://www.wallsave.com/wallpapers/1280x1024/zen-japanese/330321/zen-japanese-photos-image-geisha-japonaise-gratuit-fonds-d-cran-330321.jpg)

(excuse me for intrusion jarl but i don't found a coerent place where post that)

Title: Re: Posters for Jarl
Post by: JarlWolf on April 11, 2014, 08:04:31 AM

Bumping so I find easier, going to be utilizing soon...