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Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri & Alien Crossfire => The Theory of Everything => Topic started by: Yitzi on December 06, 2012, 10:51:17 PM

Title: An alternate way of measuring tech level
Post by: Yitzi on December 06, 2012, 10:51:17 PM
The normal way of measuring the level of a tech, used by the game, is as 1 more than the level of its highest-level prerequisite, with the no-prerequisite techs being level 1.  While this certainly has its advantages, it fails to fully express the actual difficulty of getting the tech, so I'd propose a different method: Prerequisite tree size, i.e. the number of prerequisites it has, including itself.  The ranking tends to be very similar, but this one is somewhat more precise and does involve a few surprises.

The following is a list of all the techs with their prerequisite tree size.  With each tech I'm adding its tier, that is the level as calculated by the game.  I'm using italics for SMAX-only stuff, bold for SMAC-only values.

Applied Physics (tier 1): 1
Biogenetics (tier 1): 1
Centauri Ecology (tier 1): 1
Doctrine: Mobility (tier 1): 1
Industrial base (tier 1): 1
Information networks (tier 1): 1
Progenitor Psych (tier 1): 1
Social Psych (tier 1): 1
Doctrine: Flexibility (tier 2): 2
Ethical Calculus (tier 2): 2
Industrial Economics (tier 2): 2
Planetary Networks (tier 2): 2
Doctrine: Loyalty (tier 2): 3
Field Modulation (tier 2): 3*****
High Energy Chemistry (tier 2): 3
Nonlinear Mathematics (tier 2): 3
Polymorphic Software (tier 2): 3
Secrets of the Human Brain (tier 2): 3
Adaptive Economics (tier 3): 4
Gene Splicing (tier 3): 4
Centauri Empathy (tier 3): 5
Industrial Automation (tier 3): 5
Intellectual Integrity (tier 3): 5
Optical Computers (tier 3): 5
Adaptive Doctrine (tier 3): 6
Advanced Subatomic Theory (tier 3): 6
Ecological Engineering (tier 4): 6
Superconductor (tier 4): 6****
Bioadaptive Resonance (tier 4): 8*****
Cyberethics (tier 4): 8
Doctrine: Initiative (tier 4): 8
Synthetic Fossil Fuels (tier 4): 8
Advanced Military Algorithms (tier 4): 9 8
Applied Relativity (tier 5): 9****
Centauri Meditation (tier 5): 9
Environmental Economics (tier 5): 9**
Neural Grafting (tier 4): 9
Planetary Economics (tier 4 6): 10 13**
Silksteel Alloys (tier 4): 10
Doctrine: Air Power (tier 5): 11*
Superstring Theory (tier 5): 11
Bio-engineering (tier 5): 12
Photon/Wave Mechanics (tier 6): 14
Pre-sentient Algorithms (tier 5): 16 15
Fusion Power (tier 6): 18 17
Mind/Machine Interface (tier 6): 18*
Monopole Magnets (tier 6): 19
Retroviral Engineering (tier 6): 20 19
Orbital Spaceflight (tier 6): 22 21
Organic Superlubricant (tier 7): 23 22
Unified Field Theory (tier 7): 23
Biomachinery (tier 7): 25 24
Advanced Ecological Engineering (tier 7): 25 24**
Centauri Genetics (tier 7): 25 24
Probability Mechanics (tier 7): 25 24
Advanced Spaceflight (tier 8): 26 25
Homo Superior (tier 8): 27 26
Nanometallurgy (tier 8): 27 26
Nanominiaturization (tier 8): 31 30
N-Space Compression (tier 8): 31
Industrial Nanorobotics (tier 9): 32 31****
Centauri Psi (tier 8): 34 33**,*****
Frictionless Surfaces (tier 10): 35 34****
Digital Sentience (tier 10): 37 36****
Matter Compression (tier 9): 37 36
Sentient Resonance (tier 9): 38**,*****
Quantum Power (tier 11): 40**,****
Sentient Econometrics (tier 11): 41**,****
Super Tensile Solids (tier 10): 41 40
The Will to Power (tier 9): 42 41**,*****
Self-Aware Machines (tier 11): 43 39****
Quantum Machinery (tier 12): 45**,****
Graviton Theory (tier 13): 50**,****
The Secrets of Creation (tier 10): 50 49**,*****
Applied Gravitonics (tier 14): 52**,****
Matter Editation (tier 12): 52 47****
Secrets of Alpha Centauri (tier 12): 52 49*****
Eudaimonia (tier 12): 56 53*****
Secrets of the Manifolds (tier 13): 56*****
Singularity Mechanics (tier 12): 58 57**,*****
Matter Transmission (tier 13): 65 61***,*****
Temporal Mechanics (tier 14): 69 66***,*****
Controlled Singularity (tier 15): 70 67*****
Threshold of Transcendence (tier 15): 75 69***,*****
String Resonance (tier 16): 77*****
Transcendent Thought (tier 16): 85 77*****,******


*One suggested approach to balance air power is (among other things) to make AMA a prerequisite for D:AP.  This would change the values for these two techs follows:
Doctrine: Air Power (tier 5): 16 15
Mind/Machine Interface (tier 6): 22 21

**Another idea to modify the tech tree for alien crossfire is to move the prerequisites of Planetary Economics back to Environmental Economics and Intellectual Integrity, and make the prerequisites of Environmental Economics be Ecological Engineering and Adaptive Economics.  This would modify the values of these techs as follows:
Environmental Economics (tier 5): 11
Planetary Economics (tier 6): 15
Advanced Ecological Engineering (tier 7): 27
Centauri Psi (tier 8): 36*****
Sentient Resonance (tier 9): 39*****
Quantum Power (tier 11): 43****
Sentient Econometrics (tier 11): 44****
The Will to Power (tier 9): 44*****
Quantum Machinery (tier 12): 48****
The Secrets of Creation (tier 10): 52*****
Graviton Theory (tier 13): 53****
Applied Gravitonics (tier 14): 55****
Singularity Mechanics (tier 12): 60*****


A variant to this idea would have the prerequisites of Planetary Economics be Enviromental Economics and Pre-Sentient Algorithms; this would change the value of Planetary Economics to 25 and leave everything else unchanged.

***A third idea to modify the tech tree for alien crossfire, in order to have all the "secrets" techs be a prerequisite for Transcendence again, is to move the prerequisites of Matter Transmission to Matter Editation and Secrets of Creation, have Temporal Mechanics require Matter Transmission and Secrets of the Manifolds, and have Threshold of Transcendence require Temporal Mechanics and Eudaimonia.  This would modify the values of the latter two of these techs as follows:
Temporal Mechanics (tier 14):75*****
Threshold of Transcendence (tier 15): 77*****
If both the second and third ideas are used, then  it also modifies Matter Transmission:
Matter Transmission (tier 13): 67*****

****A fourth idea, in order to avoid mostly-superfluous prerequisites (cases where one prerequisite for a tech requires the other prerequisite, barring trading), is to change Superconductor to require Optical Computers and Planetary Networks, and Industrial Nanorobotics to require Nanominiaturization and Advanced Ecological Engineering.  This would change the values of techs as follows:

Superconductor (tier 4): 7
Applied Relativity (tier 5): 10
Industrial Nanorobotics (tier 9): 36 35
Frictionless Surfaces (tier 10): 39 38
Digital Sentience (tier 10): 41 40
Quantum Power (tier 11): 44 41
Sentient Econometrics (tier 12): 45 42
Self-aware Machines (tier 11): 47 43
Quantum Machinery (tier 12): 49 46
Graviton Theory (tier 13): 54 51
Applied Gravitonics (tier 14): 56 53
Matter Editation (tier 12) 56 51[/i]

If the second idea is used as well, this changes it to:

Industrial Nanorobotics (tier 9): 38
Frictionless Surfaces (tier 10): 41
Digital Sentience (tier 10): 43
Self-aware Machines (tier 11): 49
Matter Editation (tier 12) 58

*****A fifth idea (for Alien Crossfire only), in order to make the "resonance" techs less of an add-on to the "Centauri" techs and spread them out a bit more, would change Field Modulation to have prerequisites Progenitor Psych and Industrial Automation, Bioadaptive Resonance to require Field Modulation and Bioengineering, Centauri Psi to require Bioadaptive Resonance and Centauri Genetics, and Sentient Resonance to require Centauri Psi and Digital Sentience.  This would change the values of affected techs as follows:


Field Modulation (tier 4): 7
Bioadaptive Resonance (tier 6): 15
Centauri Psi (tier 8): 29
The Will to Power (tier 9): 37
The Secrets of Creation (tier 10): 49
Sentient Resonance (tier 11): 49
Secrets of the Manifolds (tier 13): 54
Singularity Mechanics (tier 12):59
Threshold of Transcendence (tier 15): 73
String Resonance (tier 16): 75
Transcendent Thought (tier 16): 83


If used together with the other ideas, the following techs' values are increased by 1 if using the second idea, or by 2 if using the fourth, but only by 2 if using both: Secrets of Alpha Centauri (tier 12), Eudaimonia (tier 12), Secrets of the Manifolds (tier 13),
Singularity Mechanics (tier 12), Matter Transmission (tier 13), Temporal Mechanics (tier 14), Controlled Singularity (tier 13), Threshold of Transcendence (tier 15), String Resonance (tier 16), Transcendent Thought (tier 16)

If used together with the third idea, the value for Threshold of Transcendence is increased by 2, and for Temporal Mechanics by 4.

In addition, Sentient Resonance is increased to 51 if using the fifth idea together with the fourth, and 52 if using the second as well, and Matter Transmission is increased by 1 if using the third idea and another one if using both the second and the third.

******A sixth idea for Alien Crossfire, in order to prevent dead ends, is to make Transcendent Thought require String Resonance and if using the fifth idea to also use the fourth as regards Industrial Nanorobotics.  This will then change things to:
Transcendent Thought (tier 17): 86

plus, if using the fifth idea, it will add all the effects of using the fourth except for those to Superconductor and Applied Relativity.


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Thus, if using all the above ideas for alien crossfire, the values will be as follows:

Applied Physics (tier 1): 1
Biogenetics (tier 1): 1
Centauri Ecology (tier 1): 1
Doctrine: Mobility (tier 1): 1
Industrial base (tier 1): 1
Information networks (tier 1): 1
Progenitor Psych (tier 1): 1
Social Psych (tier 1): 1
Doctrine: Flexibility (tier 2): 2
Ethical Calculus (tier 2): 2
Industrial Economics (tier 2): 2
Planetary Networks (tier 2): 2
Doctrine: Loyalty (tier 2): 3
High Energy Chemistry (tier 2): 3
Nonlinear Mathematics (tier 2): 3
Polymorphic Software (tier 2): 3
Secrets of the Human Brain (tier 2): 3
Adaptive Economics (tier 3): 4
Gene Splicing (tier 3): 4
Centauri Empathy (tier 3): 5
Industrial Automation (tier 3): 5
Intellectual Integrity (tier 3): 5
Optical Computers (tier 3): 5
Adaptive Doctrine (tier 3): 6
Advanced Subatomic Theory (tier 3): 6
Ecological Engineering (tier 4): 6
Field Modulation (tier 4): 7
Superconductor (tier 4): 7
Cyberethics (tier 4): 8
Doctrine: Initiative (tier 4): 8
Synthetic Fossil Fuels (tier 4): 8
Advanced Military Algorithms (tier 4): 9
Centauri Meditation (tier 5): 9
Neural Grafting (tier 4): 9
Applied Relativity (tier 5): 10
Silksteel Alloys (tier 4): 10
Environmental Economics (tier 5): 11
Superstring Theory (tier 5): 11
Bio-engineering (tier 5): 12
Photon/Wave Mechanics (tier 6): 14
Bioadaptive Resonance (tier 6): 15
Doctrine: Air Power (tier 5): 16
Pre-sentient Algorithms (tier 5): 16
Fusion Power (tier 6): 18
Monopole Magnets (tier 6): 19
Retroviral Engineering (tier 6): 20
Mind/Machine Interface (tier 6): 22
Orbital Spaceflight (tier 6): 22
Organic Superlubricant (tier 7): 23
Unified Field Theory (tier 7): 23
Biomachinery (tier 7): 25
Centauri Genetics (tier 7): 25
Planetary Economics (tier 6): 25
Probability Mechanics (tier 7): 25
Advanced Spaceflight (tier 8): 26
Advanced Ecological Engineering (tier 7): 27
Homo Superior (tier 8): 27
Nanometallurgy (tier 8): 27
Centauri Psi (tier 8): 29
Nanominiaturization (tier 8): 31
N-Space Compression (tier 8): 31
Matter Compression (tier 9): 37
The Will to Power (tier 9): 37
Industrial Nanorobotics (tier 9): 38
Frictionless Surfaces (tier 10): 41
Super Tensile Solids (tier 10): 41
Digital Sentience (tier 10): 43
Quantum Power (tier 11): 44
Sentient Econometrics (tier 11): 45
Self-Aware Machines (tier 11): 49
Quantum Machinery (tier 12): 49
The Secrets of Creation (tier 10): 49
Sentient Resonance (tier 11): 52
Graviton Theory (tier 13): 54
Secrets of Alpha Centauri (tier 12): 54
Applied Gravitonics (tier 14): 56
Secrets of the Manifolds (tier 13): 56
Eudaimonia (tier 12): 58
Matter Editation (tier 12): 58
Singularity Mechanics (tier 12): 61
Matter Transmission (tier 13): 69
Controlled Singularity (tier 15): 72
Temporal Mechanics (tier 14): 75
String Resonance (tier 16): 77
Threshold of Transcendence (tier 15): 77
Transcendent Thought (tier 17): 86
Title: Re: An alternate way of measuring tech level
Post by: t_ras on December 07, 2012, 11:04:09 AM
Good!
Title: Re: An alternate way of measuring tech level
Post by: Earthmichael on January 23, 2013, 02:41:05 AM
Great article! 

Did you create this by hand, or did you use some kind of tool?
Title: Re: An alternate way of measuring tech level
Post by: Yitzi on January 23, 2013, 02:50:28 AM
Quote from: Earthmichael on January 23, 2013, 02:41:05 AM
Great article! 

Did you create this by hand, or did you use some kind of tool?

By hand.  There are a few tricks (e.g. use the value for its harder-to-get prerequisite and then just add what's left, or near the end just count what isn't needed), but essentially I did it by hand.
Title: Re: An alternate way of measuring tech level
Post by: Green1 on January 23, 2013, 09:26:20 PM
Those are all interesting ways of looking at the tech tree.

Particulary AMA a prereq for Doctine Airpower. It feels right.
Title: Re: An alternate way of measuring tech level
Post by: Yitzi on January 23, 2013, 10:35:14 PM
Quote from: Green1 on January 23, 2013, 09:26:20 PM
Those are all interesting ways of looking at the tech tree.

Particulary AMA a prereq for Doctine Airpower. It feels right.

It does, doesn't it?  Makes it easy to get defense against air power before the other guy can get air power, fits the "doctrines" theme (a military algorithm isn't that different from a military doctrine), and of course pushes air power up a bit on the tech tree.

The second change was meant to move that section of the tech tree to be more like in the non-expansion.  As a bonus, if you remove the "commerce" tag from Industrial Automation and Industrial Nanorobotics (they probably don't need the help) and give it to Adaptive Economics, then all 5 commerce techs are in a nice neat line.

The third change was mainly meant to give a way to put Secrets of Creation back into the beeline to transcendence.  As a bonus, it makes more sense that Eudaimonia (a social concept) would play a role in Transcendence than in the technical capability of Temporal Mechanics.
Title: Re: An alternate way of measuring tech level
Post by: BFG on January 24, 2013, 05:13:26 AM
For those of us who are newbs with alphax.txt...would you be interested in creating a #TECHS section that matches your proposed changes?  Bonus points if you incorporate the two deleted techs and/or add a tech that enables Heavy Transport.
Title: Re: An alternate way of measuring tech level
Post by: Yitzi on January 24, 2013, 11:02:30 PM
Quote from: BFG on January 24, 2013, 05:13:26 AM
For those of us who are newbs with alphax.txt...would you be interested in creating a #TECHS section that matches your proposed changes?  Bonus points if you incorporate the two deleted techs and/or add a tech that enables Heavy Transport.

Ok: For the proposed changes to the tech tree, replace the block marked #TECHNOLOGY (everything from the # until the empty line after Transcendent Thought) with:

Quote
#TECHNOLOGY
Biogenetics,                Biogen,  0, 3, 2, 2, None,    None,    000100000
Industrial Base,            Indust,  2, 1, 3, 0, None,    None,    000000000
Information Networks,       InfNet,  0, 3, 2, 1, None,    None,    000000000
Applied Physics,            Physic,  4, 2, 1, 0, None,    None,    000000000
Social Psych,               Psych,   0, 1, 3, 2, None,    None,    000000000
Doctrine: Mobility,         Mobile,  2, 0, 0, 3, None,    None,    000000000
Centauri Ecology,           Ecology, 0, 1, 2, 3, None,    None,    100000000
Superconductor,             Super,   4, 2, 0, 0, OptComp, Indust,  000000000
Nonlinear Mathematics,      Chaos,   4, 3, 0, 0, Physic,  InfNet,  000000000
Applied Relativity,         E=Mc2,   1, 3, 2, 0, Super,   Subat,   000000000
Fusion Power,               Fusion,  3, 4, 3, 1, Algor,   Super,   000000000
Silksteel Alloys,           Alloys,  3, 0, 4, 2, Subat,   IndAuto, 000000000
Advanced Subatomic Theory,  Subat,   2, 3, 2, 0, Chemist, Poly,    000000000
High Energy Chemistry,      Chemist, 3, 1, 2, 0, Indust,  Physic,  000000000
Frictionless Surfaces,      Surface, 1, 3, 2, 0, Unified, IndRob,  000000000
Nanometallurgy,             Metal,   1, 1, 0, 3, ProbMec, DocInit, 000000000
Superstring Theory,         String,  3, 2, 0, 1, Chaos,   Cyber,   000000000
Advanced Military Algorithms,MilAlg, 3, 0, 1, 2, AdapDoc, OptComp, 000000000
Monopole Magnets,           Magnets, 1, 1, 5, 0, String,  Alloys,  000000000
Matter Compression,         MatComp, 3, 1, 2, 0, Metal,   NanoMin, 000000000
Unified Field Theory,       Unified, 4, 3, 0, 1, Magnets, E=Mc2,   000000000
Graviton Theory,            Gravity, 3, 1, 0, 3, QuanMac, MindMac, 000000000
Polymorphic Software,       Poly,    2, 3, 1, 0, Indust,  InfNet,  000000010
Applied Gravitonics,        AGrav,   3, 1, 0, 4, Gravity, DigSent, 000000000
deleted,                    delete,  3, 2, 0, 2, Disable, Disable, 000000000
Quantum Power,              Quantum, 3, 4, 3, 0, Surface, PlaEcon, 000000000
Singularity Mechanics,      SingMec, 1, 4, 3, 0, Create,  HAL9000, 000000000
Controlled Singularity,     ConSing, 4, 1, 2, 0, SingMec, AGrav,   000000000
Temporal Mechanics,         TempMec, 0, 1, 3, 2, SecMani, Matter,  001000000
Probability Mechanics,      ProbMec, 1, 1, 3, 2, DocSec,  Algor,   000000000
Pre-Sentient Algorithms,    Algor,   2, 4, 3, 2, MilAlg,  Cyber,   000000010
Super Tensile Solids,       Solids,  1, 0, 5, 2, MatComp, Space,   000000000
Planetary Networks,         PlaNets, 0, 4, 3, 1, InfNet,  None,    000000000
Digital Sentience,          DigSent, 0, 4, 3, 2, IndRob,  MindMac, 000000010
Self-Aware Machines,        HAL9000, 0, 4, 3, 3, NewMiss, DigSent, 000000010
Doctrine: Initiative,       DocInit, 2, 0, 0, 4, DocFlex, IndAuto, 000000000
Doctrine: Flexibility,      DocFlex, 2, 0, 1, 4, Mobile,  None,    000000000
Intellectual Integrity,     Integ,   0, 1, 3, 4, EthCalc, DocLoy,  000000000
Synthetic Fossil Fuels,     Fossil,  1, 0, 2, 4, Chemist, Gene,    000000000
Doctrine: Air Power,        DocAir,  3, 0, 3, 4, Fossil,  MilAlg,  000000000
Photon/Wave Mechanics,      DocSec,  3, 2, 2, 0, E=Mc2,   Alloys,  000000000
Mind/Machine Interface,     MindMac, 4, 0, 2, 2, DocAir,  Neural,  000000010
Nanominiaturization,        NanoMin, 1, 0, 4, 3, Magnets, SupLube, 000000000
Doctrine: Loyalty,          DocLoy,  3, 0, 2, 2, Mobile,  Psych,   000000000
Ethical Calculus,           EthCalc, 0, 1, 3, 3, Psych,   None,    000000000
Industrial Economics,       IndEcon, 0, 0, 5, 2, Indust,  None,    000000100
Industrial Automation,      IndAuto, 0, 1, 4, 3, IndEcon, PlaNets, 000000100
Centauri Meditation,        CentMed, 0, 0, 2, 4, EcoEng,  CentEmp, 001000000
Secrets of the Human Brain, Brain,   1, 5, 0, 3, Psych,   Biogen,  000000001
Gene Splicing,              Gene,    0, 2, 4, 3, Biogen,  EthCalc, 000100000
Bio-Engineering,            BioEng,  0, 2, 3, 2, Gene,    Neural,  000100000
Biomachinery,               BioMac,  3, 1, 4, 1, MindMac, Viral,   000100000
Neural Grafting,            Neural,  3, 1, 1, 1, Brain,   IndAuto, 000000000
Cyberethics,                Cyber,   1, 3, 4, 0, PlaNets, Integ,   000000000
Eudaimonia,                 Eudaim,  0, 0, 3, 4, SentEco, WillPow, 000000000
The Will to Power,          WillPow, 0, 3, 1, 4, HomoSup, CentPsi, 000000000
Threshold of Transcendence, Thresh,  0, 1, 3, 4, Eudaim,  TempMec, 010000000
Matter Transmission,        Matter,  1, 0, 3, 2, NanEdit, Create,  010000000
Centauri Empathy,           CentEmp, 0, 1, 0, 6, Brain,   Ecology, 000000000
Environmental Economics,    EnvEcon, 0, 0, 4, 3, AdapEco, EcoEng,  000000100
Ecological Engineering,     EcoEng,  0, 0, 3, 4, Ecology, Gene,    000000000
Planetary Economics,        PlaEcon, 0, 0, 4, 3, EnvEcon, Integ,   000000100
Adv. Ecological Engineering,EcoEng2, 0, 0, 4, 2, Fusion,  EnvEcon, 000000000
Centauri Psi,               CentPsi, 0, 1, 1, 6, CentGen, EcoEng2, 100000000
Secrets of Alpha Centauri,  AlphCen, 0, 4, 0, 2, CentPsi, SentEco, 001001001
Secrets of Creation,        Create,  1, 4, 1, 0, Unified, WillPow, 000000001
Advanced Spaceflight,       Space,   2, 4, 2, 3, Orbital, SupLube, 000000000
Homo Superior,              HomoSup, 3, 2, 1, 4, BioMac,  DocInit, 000000000
Organic Superlubricant,     SupLube, 3, 1, 2, 0, Fusion,  Fossil,  000000000
Quantum Machinery,          QuanMac, 3, 1, 4, 0, Quantum, Metal,   000000000
deleted,                    deleted, 0, 0, 5, 0, Disable, Disable, 000000000
Matter Editation,           NanEdit, 1, 2, 3, 1, HAL9000, Solids,  000100000
Optical Computers,          OptComp, 2, 4, 1, 0, Physic,  Poly,    000000000
Industrial Nanorobotics,    IndRob,  3, 1, 8, 1, NanoMin, IndAuto, 000000100
Centauri Genetics,          CentGen, 0, 2, 0, 5, CentMed, Viral,   010000000
Sentient Econometrics,      SentEco, 1, 1, 3, 4, PlaEcon, DigSent, 000000100
Retroviral Engineering,     Viral,   4, 2, 0, 2, BioEng,  MilAlg,  000110000
Orbital Spaceflight,        Orbital, 0, 4, 3, 3, DocAir,  Algor,   000000000
Progenitor Psych,           PrPsych, 0, 2, 3, 4, None,    None,    000000000
Field Modulation,           FldMod,  4, 2, 0, 2, PrPsych, Ecology, 000000000
Adaptive Doctrine,          AdapDoc, 5, 2, 0, 0, Poly,    DocFlex, 000000000
Adaptive Economics,         AdapEco, 0, 1, 5, 2, PrPsych, IndEcon, 000000000
Bioadaptive Resonance,      Bioadap, 5, 2, 0, 0, FldMod,  CentEmp, 000000000
Sentient Resonance,         SentRes, 5, 2, 0, 0, Bioadap, CentPsi, 000000000
Secrets of the Manifolds,   SecMani, 0, 5, 4, 2, SentRes, AlphCen, 000000001
N-Space Compression,        NewMiss, 4, 0, 2, 0, Orbital, BioMac,  000000000
String Resonance,           BFG9000, 8, 0, 0, 0, SecMani, ConSing, 000000000
User Technology,            User,    0, 2, 0, 0, Disable, Disable, 000000000
Transcendent Thought,       TranT,   0, 2, 0, 0, Thresh,  ConSing, 000000000

To also change the commerce techs as mentioned, replace it instead with:

Quote
#TECHNOLOGY
Biogenetics,                Biogen,  0, 3, 2, 2, None,    None,    000100000
Industrial Base,            Indust,  2, 1, 3, 0, None,    None,    000000000
Information Networks,       InfNet,  0, 3, 2, 1, None,    None,    000000000
Applied Physics,            Physic,  4, 2, 1, 0, None,    None,    000000000
Social Psych,               Psych,   0, 1, 3, 2, None,    None,    000000000
Doctrine: Mobility,         Mobile,  2, 0, 0, 3, None,    None,    000000000
Centauri Ecology,           Ecology, 0, 1, 2, 3, None,    None,    100000000
Superconductor,             Super,   4, 2, 0, 0, OptComp, Indust,  000000000
Nonlinear Mathematics,      Chaos,   4, 3, 0, 0, Physic,  InfNet,  000000000
Applied Relativity,         E=Mc2,   1, 3, 2, 0, Super,   Subat,   000000000
Fusion Power,               Fusion,  3, 4, 3, 1, Algor,   Super,   000000000
Silksteel Alloys,           Alloys,  3, 0, 4, 2, Subat,   IndAuto, 000000000
Advanced Subatomic Theory,  Subat,   2, 3, 2, 0, Chemist, Poly,    000000000
High Energy Chemistry,      Chemist, 3, 1, 2, 0, Indust,  Physic,  000000000
Frictionless Surfaces,      Surface, 1, 3, 2, 0, Unified, IndRob,  000000000
Nanometallurgy,             Metal,   1, 1, 0, 3, ProbMec, DocInit, 000000000
Superstring Theory,         String,  3, 2, 0, 1, Chaos,   Cyber,   000000000
Advanced Military Algorithms,MilAlg, 3, 0, 1, 2, AdapDoc, OptComp, 000000000
Monopole Magnets,           Magnets, 1, 1, 5, 0, String,  Alloys,  000000000
Matter Compression,         MatComp, 3, 1, 2, 0, Metal,   NanoMin, 000000000
Unified Field Theory,       Unified, 4, 3, 0, 1, Magnets, E=Mc2,   000000000
Graviton Theory,            Gravity, 3, 1, 0, 3, QuanMac, MindMac, 000000000
Polymorphic Software,       Poly,    2, 3, 1, 0, Indust,  InfNet,  000000010
Applied Gravitonics,        AGrav,   3, 1, 0, 4, Gravity, DigSent, 000000000
deleted,                    delete,  3, 2, 0, 2, Disable, Disable, 000000000
Quantum Power,              Quantum, 3, 4, 3, 0, Surface, PlaEcon, 000000000
Singularity Mechanics,      SingMec, 1, 4, 3, 0, Create,  HAL9000, 000000000
Controlled Singularity,     ConSing, 4, 1, 2, 0, SingMec, AGrav,   000000000
Temporal Mechanics,         TempMec, 0, 1, 3, 2, SecMani, Matter,  001000000
Probability Mechanics,      ProbMec, 1, 1, 3, 2, DocSec,  Algor,   000000000
Pre-Sentient Algorithms,    Algor,   2, 4, 3, 2, MilAlg,  Cyber,   000000010
Super Tensile Solids,       Solids,  1, 0, 5, 2, MatComp, Space,   000000000
Planetary Networks,         PlaNets, 0, 4, 3, 1, InfNet,  None,    000000000
Digital Sentience,          DigSent, 0, 4, 3, 2, IndRob,  MindMac, 000000010
Self-Aware Machines,        HAL9000, 0, 4, 3, 3, NewMiss, DigSent, 000000010
Doctrine: Initiative,       DocInit, 2, 0, 0, 4, DocFlex, IndAuto, 000000000
Doctrine: Flexibility,      DocFlex, 2, 0, 1, 4, Mobile,  None,    000000000
Intellectual Integrity,     Integ,   0, 1, 3, 4, EthCalc, DocLoy,  000000000
Synthetic Fossil Fuels,     Fossil,  1, 0, 2, 4, Chemist, Gene,    000000000
Doctrine: Air Power,        DocAir,  3, 0, 3, 4, Fossil,  MilAlg,  000000000
Photon/Wave Mechanics,      DocSec,  3, 2, 2, 0, E=Mc2,   Alloys,  000000000
Mind/Machine Interface,     MindMac, 4, 0, 2, 2, DocAir,  Neural,  000000010
Nanominiaturization,        NanoMin, 1, 0, 4, 3, Magnets, SupLube, 000000000
Doctrine: Loyalty,          DocLoy,  3, 0, 2, 2, Mobile,  Psych,   000000000
Ethical Calculus,           EthCalc, 0, 1, 3, 3, Psych,   None,    000000000
Industrial Economics,       IndEcon, 0, 0, 5, 2, Indust,  None,    000000100
Industrial Automation,      IndAuto, 0, 1, 4, 3, IndEcon, PlaNets, 000000000
Centauri Meditation,        CentMed, 0, 0, 2, 4, EcoEng,  CentEmp, 001000000
Secrets of the Human Brain, Brain,   1, 5, 0, 3, Psych,   Biogen,  000000001
Gene Splicing,              Gene,    0, 2, 4, 3, Biogen,  EthCalc, 000100000
Bio-Engineering,            BioEng,  0, 2, 3, 2, Gene,    Neural,  000100000
Biomachinery,               BioMac,  3, 1, 4, 1, MindMac, Viral,   000100000
Neural Grafting,            Neural,  3, 1, 1, 1, Brain,   IndAuto, 000000000
Cyberethics,                Cyber,   1, 3, 4, 0, PlaNets, Integ,   000000000
Eudaimonia,                 Eudaim,  0, 0, 3, 4, SentEco, WillPow, 000000000
The Will to Power,          WillPow, 0, 3, 1, 4, HomoSup, CentPsi, 000000000
Threshold of Transcendence, Thresh,  0, 1, 3, 4, Eudaim,  TempMec, 010000000
Matter Transmission,        Matter,  1, 0, 3, 2, NanEdit, Create,  010000000
Centauri Empathy,           CentEmp, 0, 1, 0, 6, Brain,   Ecology, 000000000
Environmental Economics,    EnvEcon, 0, 0, 4, 3, AdapEco, EcoEng,  000000100
Ecological Engineering,     EcoEng,  0, 0, 3, 4, Ecology, Gene,    000000000
Planetary Economics,        PlaEcon, 0, 0, 4, 3, EnvEcon, Integ,   000000100
Adv. Ecological Engineering,EcoEng2, 0, 0, 4, 2, Fusion,  EnvEcon, 000000000
Centauri Psi,               CentPsi, 0, 1, 1, 6, CentGen, EcoEng2, 100000000
Secrets of Alpha Centauri,  AlphCen, 0, 4, 0, 2, CentPsi, SentEco, 001001001
Secrets of Creation,        Create,  1, 4, 1, 0, Unified, WillPow, 000000001
Advanced Spaceflight,       Space,   2, 4, 2, 3, Orbital, SupLube, 000000000
Homo Superior,              HomoSup, 3, 2, 1, 4, BioMac,  DocInit, 000000000
Organic Superlubricant,     SupLube, 3, 1, 2, 0, Fusion,  Fossil,  000000000
Quantum Machinery,          QuanMac, 3, 1, 4, 0, Quantum, Metal,   000000000
deleted,                    deleted, 0, 0, 5, 0, Disable, Disable, 000000000
Matter Editation,           NanEdit, 1, 2, 3, 1, HAL9000, Solids,  000100000
Optical Computers,          OptComp, 2, 4, 1, 0, Physic,  Poly,    000000000
Industrial Nanorobotics,    IndRob,  3, 1, 8, 1, NanoMin, IndAuto, 000000000
Centauri Genetics,          CentGen, 0, 2, 0, 5, CentMed, Viral,   010000000
Sentient Econometrics,      SentEco, 1, 1, 3, 4, PlaEcon, DigSent, 000000100
Retroviral Engineering,     Viral,   4, 2, 0, 2, BioEng,  MilAlg,  000110000
Orbital Spaceflight,        Orbital, 0, 4, 3, 3, DocAir,  Algor,   000000000
Progenitor Psych,           PrPsych, 0, 2, 3, 4, None,    None,    000000000
Field Modulation,           FldMod,  4, 2, 0, 2, PrPsych, Ecology, 000000000
Adaptive Doctrine,          AdapDoc, 5, 2, 0, 0, Poly,    DocFlex, 000000000
Adaptive Economics,         AdapEco, 0, 1, 5, 2, PrPsych, IndEcon, 000000100
Bioadaptive Resonance,      Bioadap, 5, 2, 0, 0, FldMod,  CentEmp, 000000000
Sentient Resonance,         SentRes, 5, 2, 0, 0, Bioadap, CentPsi, 000000000
Secrets of the Manifolds,   SecMani, 0, 5, 4, 2, SentRes, AlphCen, 000000001
N-Space Compression,        NewMiss, 4, 0, 2, 0, Orbital, BioMac,  000000000
String Resonance,           BFG9000, 8, 0, 0, 0, SecMani, ConSing, 000000000
User Technology,            User,    0, 2, 0, 0, Disable, Disable, 000000000
Transcendent Thought,       TranT,   0, 2, 0, 0, Thresh,  ConSing, 000000000

I'll post another post about how to add in the deleted techs and Heavy Transport.
Title: Re: An alternate way of measuring tech level
Post by: Yitzi on January 24, 2013, 11:02:54 PM
To also add in the deleted techs (this also includes the changes to commerce techs) is several steps.  Firstly, replace the tech stuff with:
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#TECHNOLOGY
Biogenetics,                Biogen,  0, 3, 2, 2, None,    None,    000100000
Industrial Base,            Indust,  2, 1, 3, 0, None,    None,    000000000
Information Networks,       InfNet,  0, 3, 2, 1, None,    None,    000000000
Applied Physics,            Physic,  4, 2, 1, 0, None,    None,    000000000
Social Psych,               Psych,   0, 1, 3, 2, None,    None,    000000000
Doctrine: Mobility,         Mobile,  2, 0, 0, 3, None,    None,    000000000
Centauri Ecology,           Ecology, 0, 1, 2, 3, None,    None,    100000000
Superconductor,             Super,   4, 2, 0, 0, OptComp, Indust,  000000000
Nonlinear Mathematics,      Chaos,   4, 3, 0, 0, Physic,  InfNet,  000000000
Applied Relativity,         E=Mc2,   1, 3, 2, 0, Super,   Subat,   000000000
Fusion Power,               Fusion,  3, 4, 3, 1, Algor,   Super,   000000000
Silksteel Alloys,           Alloys,  3, 0, 4, 2, Subat,   IndAuto, 000000000
Advanced Subatomic Theory,  Subat,   2, 3, 2, 0, Chemist, Poly,    000000000
High Energy Chemistry,      Chemist, 3, 1, 2, 0, Indust,  Physic,  000000000
Frictionless Surfaces,      Surface, 1, 3, 2, 0, Inert,   IndRob,  000000000
Nanometallurgy,             Metal,   1, 1, 0, 3, ProbMec, DocInit, 000000000
Superstring Theory,         String,  3, 2, 0, 1, Chaos,   Cyber,   000000000
Advanced Military Algorithms,MilAlg, 3, 0, 1, 2, AdapDoc, OptComp, 000000000
Monopole Magnets,           Magnets, 1, 1, 5, 0, String,  Alloys,  000000000
Matter Compression,         MatComp, 3, 1, 2, 0, Metal,   NanoMin, 000000000
Unified Field Theory,       Unified, 4, 3, 0, 1, Magnets, E=Mc2,   000000000
Graviton Theory,            Gravity, 3, 1, 0, 3, QuanMac, MindMac, 000000000
Polymorphic Software,       Poly,    2, 3, 1, 0, Indust,  InfNet,  000000010
Applied Gravitonics,        AGrav,   3, 1, 0, 4, Gravity, DigSent, 000000000
Inertial Dampening,         Inert,   1, 1, 3, 2, DocSec,  Unified, 000000000
Quantum Power,              Quantum, 3, 4, 3, 0, Surface, PlanNRG, 000000000
Singularity Mechanics,      SingMec, 1, 4, 3, 0, Create,  HAL9000, 000000000
Controlled Singularity,     ConSing, 4, 1, 2, 0, SingMec, AGrav,   000000000
Temporal Mechanics,         TempMec, 0, 1, 3, 2, SecMani, Matter,  001000000
Probability Mechanics,      ProbMec, 1, 1, 3, 2, DocSec,  Algor,   000000000
Pre-Sentient Algorithms,    Algor,   2, 4, 3, 2, MilAlg,  Cyber,   000000010
Super Tensile Solids,       Solids,  1, 0, 5, 2, MatComp, Space,   000000000
Planetary Networks,         PlaNets, 0, 4, 3, 1, InfNet,  None,    000000000
Digital Sentience,          DigSent, 0, 4, 3, 2, IndRob,  MindMac, 000000010
Self-Aware Machines,        HAL9000, 0, 4, 3, 3, NewMiss, DigSent, 000000010
Doctrine: Initiative,       DocInit, 2, 0, 0, 4, DocFlex, IndAuto, 000000000
Doctrine: Flexibility,      DocFlex, 2, 0, 1, 4, Mobile,  None,    000000000
Intellectual Integrity,     Integ,   0, 1, 3, 4, EthCalc, DocLoy,  000000000
Synthetic Fossil Fuels,     Fossil,  1, 0, 2, 4, Chemist, Gene,    000000000
Doctrine: Air Power,        DocAir,  3, 0, 3, 4, Fossil,  MilAlg,  000000000
Photon/Wave Mechanics,      DocSec,  3, 2, 2, 0, E=Mc2,   Alloys,  000000000
Mind/Machine Interface,     MindMac, 4, 0, 2, 2, DocAir,  Neural,  000000010
Nanominiaturization,        NanoMin, 1, 0, 4, 3, Magnets, SupLube, 000000000
Doctrine: Loyalty,          DocLoy,  3, 0, 2, 2, Mobile,  Psych,   000000000
Ethical Calculus,           EthCalc, 0, 1, 3, 3, Psych,   None,    000000000
Industrial Economics,       IndEcon, 0, 0, 5, 2, Indust,  None,    000000100
Industrial Automation,      IndAuto, 0, 1, 4, 3, IndEcon, PlaNets, 000000000
Centauri Meditation,        CentMed, 0, 0, 2, 4, EcoEng,  CentEmp, 001000000
Secrets of the Human Brain, Brain,   1, 5, 0, 3, Psych,   Biogen,  000000001
Gene Splicing,              Gene,    0, 2, 4, 3, Biogen,  EthCalc, 000100000
Bio-Engineering,            BioEng,  0, 2, 3, 2, Gene,    Neural,  000100000
Biomachinery,               BioMac,  3, 1, 4, 1, MindMac, Viral,   000100000
Neural Grafting,            Neural,  3, 1, 1, 1, Brain,   IndAuto, 000000000
Cyberethics,                Cyber,   1, 3, 4, 0, PlaNets, Integ,   000000000
Eudaimonia,                 Eudaim,  0, 0, 3, 4, SentEco, WillPow, 000000000
The Will to Power,          WillPow, 0, 3, 1, 4, HomoSup, CentPsi, 000000000
Threshold of Transcendence, Thresh,  0, 1, 3, 4, Eudaim,  TempMec, 010000000
Matter Transmission,        Matter,  1, 0, 3, 2, NanEdit, Create,  010000000
Centauri Empathy,           CentEmp, 0, 1, 0, 6, Brain,   Ecology, 000000000
Environmental Economics,    EnvEcon, 0, 0, 4, 3, AdapEco, EcoEng,  000000100
Ecological Engineering,     EcoEng,  0, 0, 3, 4, Ecology, Gene,    000000000
Planetary Economics,        PlaEcon, 0, 0, 4, 3, EnvEcon, Integ,   000000100
Adv. Ecological Engineering,EcoEng2, 0, 0, 4, 2, Fusion,  EnvEcon, 000000000
Centauri Psi,               CentPsi, 0, 1, 1, 6, CentGen, EcoEng2, 100000000
Secrets of Alpha Centauri,  AlphCen, 0, 4, 0, 2, CentPsi, SentEco, 001001001
Secrets of Creation,        Create,  1, 4, 1, 0, Unified, WillPow, 000000001
Advanced Spaceflight,       Space,   2, 4, 2, 3, Orbital, SupLube, 000000000
Homo Superior,              HomoSup, 3, 2, 1, 4, BioMac,  DocInit, 000000000
Organic Superlubricant,     SupLube, 3, 1, 2, 0, Fusion,  Fossil,  000000000
Quantum Machinery,          QuanMac, 3, 1, 4, 0, Quantum, Metal,   000000000
Planetary Energy Theory,    PlanNRG, 0, 0, 4, 3, PlaEcon, Algor,   000000000
Matter Editation,           NanEdit, 1, 2, 3, 1, HAL9000, Solids,  000100000
Optical Computers,          OptComp, 2, 4, 1, 0, Physic,  Poly,    000000000
Industrial Nanorobotics,    IndRob,  3, 1, 8, 1, NanoMin, IndAuto, 000000000
Centauri Genetics,          CentGen, 0, 2, 0, 5, CentMed, Viral,   010000000
Sentient Econometrics,      SentEco, 1, 1, 3, 4, PlaEcon, DigSent, 000000100
Retroviral Engineering,     Viral,   4, 2, 0, 2, BioEng,  MilAlg,  000110000
Orbital Spaceflight,        Orbital, 0, 4, 3, 3, DocAir,  Algor,   000000000
Progenitor Psych,           PrPsych, 0, 2, 3, 4, None,    None,    000000000
Field Modulation,           FldMod,  4, 2, 0, 2, PrPsych, Ecology, 000000000
Adaptive Doctrine,          AdapDoc, 5, 2, 0, 0, Poly,    DocFlex, 000000000
Adaptive Economics,         AdapEco, 0, 1, 5, 2, PrPsych, IndEcon, 000000100
Bioadaptive Resonance,      Bioadap, 5, 2, 0, 0, FldMod,  CentEmp, 000000000
Sentient Resonance,         SentRes, 5, 2, 0, 0, Bioadap, CentPsi, 000000000
Secrets of the Manifolds,   SecMani, 0, 5, 4, 2, SentRes, AlphCen, 000000001
N-Space Compression,        NewMiss, 4, 0, 2, 0, Orbital, BioMac,  000000000
String Resonance,           BFG9000, 8, 0, 0, 0, SecMani, ConSing, 000000000
User Technology,            User,    0, 2, 0, 0, Disable, Disable, 000000000
Transcendent Thought,       TranT,   0, 2, 0, 0, Thresh,  ConSing, 000000000

Of course, that just adds, the techs, it doesn't make them do anything.  So let's change a few more things:
1. There is a line in the RULES section that says:
PlaEcon, ; Technology for economic victory
Change it to:
PlanNRG, ; Technology for economic victory
2. There is a line in the Facilities section that says:
Tachyon Field,                12, 2, ProbMec, Disable,  All Defense +100%
Change it to:
Tachyon Field,                12, 2, Inert, Disable,  All Defense +100%
3. You wanted to add Heavy Transport as well; let's add it to Nanometallurgy (the other transport abilities can keep it company).   The line says:
Heavy Transport,        1, Disable,  Heavy,     000100100111, +50% transport capacity
Change that to:
Heavy Transport,        1, Metal,  Heavy,     000100100111, +50% transport capacity
Title: Re: An alternate way of measuring tech level
Post by: Lord Avalon on January 25, 2013, 01:20:46 AM
Heavy metal! :wall: :rockon:


IMO, Nanometallurgy (Explore 8!) is way too late.  You get increased transport capacity with the cruiser hull at Doc: Init (Explore 4).  Maybe put Heavy Transport at level 3, IndAuto or something.


Alternatively postpone cruisers to level 6 and slot Heavy Transport in at Doc: Init.  Then foil/heavy/cruiser goes 2/4/6.
Title: Re: An alternate way of measuring tech level
Post by: Earthmichael on January 25, 2013, 01:45:16 AM
What are the deleted techs?

What do they do?

Any idea why they were deleted?
Title: Re: An alternate way of measuring tech level
Post by: Yitzi on January 25, 2013, 01:57:16 AM
Quote from: Lord Avalon on January 25, 2013, 01:20:46 AM
Heavy metal! :wall: :rockon:


IMO, Nanometallurgy (Explore 8!) is way too late.  You get increased transport capacity with the cruiser hull at Doc: Init (Explore 4).


This can be combined with that, though.

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Maybe put Heavy Transport at level 3, IndAuto or something.


That's a good idea if you want it earlier.

Quote from: Earthmichael on January 25, 2013, 01:45:16 AM
What are the deleted techs?

What do they do?[//quote]

There's a whole thread (http://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?topic=2936.15;topicseen) about them.

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Any idea why they were deleted?


Probably because the design team realized there wasn't really a place for them as it was, but they realized it late enough that it would be too difficult to rewrite the code to have nothing in that slot.
Title: Re: An alternate way of measuring tech level
Post by: BFG on January 26, 2013, 02:52:08 AM
Thanks Yitzi!  You're awesome!
I'll give the expanded set (with commerce changes and deleted technologies) a spin.

A few comments on the new techs:
Title: Re: An alternate way of measuring tech level
Post by: Yitzi on April 07, 2014, 11:18:41 PM
I've added another few possible changes and their effects on the value, plus a list of what you get if you use all the changes.
Title: Re: An alternate way of measuring tech level
Post by: Geo on April 08, 2014, 02:30:48 AM
First time I see this thread. Thanks for bumping it.
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