Alpha Centauri 2

Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri & Alien Crossfire => Modding => Bug/Patch Discussion => Topic started by: Nim on June 08, 2014, 01:22:32 AM

Title: Naval artillery duel using altitude ?
Post by: Nim on June 08, 2014, 01:22:32 AM

As can be seen in the screenshot my impact skimship and one of the PKs are in a artillery duel. They are getting an altitude bonus, presumably due to being in coastal waters while I'm on ocean ? Is this a bug ? This is with Yitzi's latest patch.

(http://i.imgur.com/In1R8Fe.jpg) (http://imgur.com/In1R8Fe)

Title: Re: Naval artillery duel using altitude ?
Post by: gwillybj on June 08, 2014, 01:31:30 AM

I would agree that it is a bug. It's been there since the original release. I'm not sure if it's been traced.

Title: Re: Naval artillery duel using altitude ?
Post by: Nim on June 08, 2014, 01:42:32 AM

Just remembered and verified that you also get an altitude bonus for being in port. Another 25%. Doesn't really make a lot of sense either ?

Though I suppose this doesn't come up often as attack is generally ahead of defense by quite a bit, so going attack vs. attack value when you can go attack vs. defense seldom makes sense.

Title: Re: Naval artillery duel using altitude ?
Post by: Lord Avalon on June 08, 2014, 09:24:54 PM

Quote from: gwillybj on June 08, 2014, 01:31:30 AM

I would agree that it is a bug. It's been there since the original release. I'm not sure if it's been traced.

It is known (http://alphacentauri2.info/wiki/Bug:Depth_bonus_naval_long-range_fire). Supposedly scient was working on it (http://www.civgaming.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7484). Not sure if he ever finished it, or released it if he did. Is "if naval unit, altitude = 0" that hard to put in?

Quote from: Nim on June 08, 2014, 01:42:32 AM

Just remembered and verified that you also get an altitude bonus for being in port. Another 25%. Doesn't really make a lot of sense either ?

Maybe that's base defense?

Title: Re: Naval artillery duel using altitude ?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 08, 2014, 09:30:18 PM

I just sent scient a link.  He's been on Skype this weekend, so maybe he'll see it...

Title: Re: Naval artillery duel using altitude ?
Post by: Nim on June 08, 2014, 09:44:09 PM

Quote from: Lord Avalon on June 08, 2014, 09:24:54 PM

Quote from: gwillybj on June 08, 2014, 01:31:30 AM

I would agree that it is a bug. It's been there since the original release. I'm not sure if it's been traced.

It is known (http://alphacentauri2.info/wiki/Bug:Depth_bonus_naval_long-range_fire). Supposedly scient was working on it (http://www.civgaming.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7484). Not sure if he ever finished it, or released it if he did. Is "if naval unit, altitude = 0" that hard to put in?

Dang, didn't see that wiki bug section before.

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Quote from: Nim on June 08, 2014, 01:42:32 AM

Just remembered and verified that you also get an altitude bonus for being in port. Another 25%. Doesn't really make a lot of sense either ?

Maybe that's base defense?

My ship in port initiated and got the bonus so kinda not defense I think. Not that I'm really complaining, think this benefits me way more than the AI  ;)

Title: Re: Naval artillery duel using altitude ?
Post by: Lord Avalon on June 08, 2014, 10:42:27 PM

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Quote from: Nim on June 08, 2014, 01:42:32 AM

Just remembered and verified that you also get an altitude bonus for being in port. Another 25%. Doesn't really make a lot of sense either ?

Maybe that's base defense?

My ship in port initiated and got the bonus so kinda not defense I think. Not that I'm really complaining, think this benefits me way more than the AI  ;)

Oops, I'm thinking backwards.  :-[  Are you saying you got an extra 25%, or was it 25% only? What was the elevation difference between your port and the target (shelf depth)?


Edit: Just looking in the alphax.txt, I see there's a 50% bonus for land-based guns vs ship artillery. Could that be a factor? I.e., is a ship in port considered land-based?

Title: Re: Naval artillery duel using altitude ?
Post by: Nim on June 09, 2014, 01:24:20 AM

Hope this pic clears it up a bit. Plex Anthill is at 292m, the gaian ship is on ocean shelf with 808m depth.

(http://i.imgur.com/5tXf0aD.jpg) (http://imgur.com/5tXf0aD)

Edit: Put a Missile Artillery into Plex Anthill, bombarded the gaian ship, got 50% land-based  guns bonus. No altitude bonus. Put arty on +1000m tile and bombarded, again 50% land-based bonus but no altitude bonus  :-\