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Title: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 17, 2014, 07:30:01 PM
Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine
USA TODAY
Oren Dorell,  2:16 p.m. EDT April 17, 2014


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A leaflet distributed in Donetsk, Ukraine, calls for all Jewish people over 16 years old to register as Jews. The leaflet demanded the city's Jews supply a detailed list of all the property they own or else have their citizenship revoked.
(Photo: The Coordination Forum for Countering Antisemitism)




Jews in the eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk where pro-Russian militants have taken over government buildings were told they have to "register" with the Ukrainians who are trying to make the city become part of Russia, according to Ukrainian and Israeli media.

Jews emerging from a synagogue say they were handed leaflets that ordered the city's Jews to provide a list of property they own and pay a registration fee "or else have their citizenship revoked, face deportation and see their assets confiscated," reported Ynet News, Israel's largest news website.

Donetsk is the site of an "anti-terrorist" operation by the Ukraine government, which has moved military columns into the region to force out militants who are demanding a referendum be held on joining Russia. The news was carried first by the Ukraine's Donbass news agency.

The leaflets bore the name of Denis Pushilin, who identified himself as chairman of "Donetsk's temporary government," and were distributed near the Donetsk synagogue and other areas, according to the reports.

Pushilin acknowledged that fliers were distributed under his organization's name in Donetsk but denied any connection to them, Ynet reported in Hebrew.

Emanuel Shechter, in Israel, told Ynet his friends in Donetsk sent him a copy of the leaflet through social media.

"They told me that masked men were waiting for Jewish people after the Passover eve prayer, handed them the flier and told them to obey its instructions," he said.

The leaflet begins, "Dear Ukraine citizens of Jewish nationality," and states that all people of Jewish descent over 16 years old must report to the Commissioner for Nationalities in the Donetsk Regional Administration building and "register."

It says the reason is because the leaders of the Jewish community of Ukraine supported Bendery Junta, a reference to Stepan Bandera, the leader of the Ukrainian nationalist movement that fought for Ukrainian independence at the end of World War II, "and oppose the pro-Slavic People's Republic of Donetsk," a name adopted by the militant leadership.

The leaflet then described which documents Jews should provide: "ID and passport are required to register your Jewish religion, religious documents of family members, as well as documents establishing the rights to all real estate property that belongs to you, including vehicles."

Consequences for non-compliance will result in citizenship being revoked "and you will be forced outside the country with a confiscation of property." A registration fee of $50 would be required, it said.

Olga Reznikova, 32, a Jewish resident of Donetsk, told Ynet she never experienced anti-Semitism in the city until she saw this leaflet.

"We don't know if these notifications were distributed by pro-Russian activists or someone else, but it's serious that it exists," she said. "The text reminds of the fascists in 1941," she said referring to the Nazis who occupied Ukraine during World War II.

Morton Klein, president of the Zionist Organization of America, the oldest pro-Israel group in the USA, said the leaflets should be seen in the context of a rising tide of anti-Semitism across Europe and the world, and that it should prompt a strong response from the White House.

"This is a frightening new development in the anti-Jewish movement that is gaining traction around the world," Klein said.

Secretary of State John Kerry called the incident "grotesque."

"It is beyond unacceptable," Kerry said. "And any of the people who engage in these kinds of activities — from whatever party or whatever ideology or whatever place they crawl out of — there is no place for that."

Kerry, who participated in a conference on Ukraine with his counterparts from Russia, Ukraine and the European Union, told reporters all parties condemned anti-Semitism and all religious intolerance.

Michael Salberg, director of the international affairs at the New York City-based Anti-Defamation League, said it's unclear whether the leaflets were issued by the pro-Russian leadership or a splinter group operating within the pro-Russian camp.

But the Russian side has used the specter of anti-Semitism in a cynical manner since anti-government protests began in Kiev that resulted in the ousting of Ukraine's pro-Russian former president Viktor Yanukovych. Russia and its allies in Ukraine issued multiple stories about the the threat posed to Jews by Ukraine's new pro-Western government in Kiev, Salberg said.

Those stories were based in part on ultra-nationalists who joined the Maidan protests, and the inclusion of the ultra-nationalist Svoboda party in Ukraine's new interim government. But the threat turned out to be false, he said.

Svoboda's leadership needs to be monitored, but so far it has refrained from anti-Semitic statements since joining the government, he said. And the prevalence of anti-Semitic acts has not changed since before the Maidan protests, according to the ADL and the Ukrainian Helsinki Human Rights Union, which monitors human rights in Ukraine.

Distributing such leaflets is a recruitment tool to appeal to the xenophobic fears of the majority, "to enlist them to your cause and focus on a common enemy, the Jews," Salberg said.

And by targeting Donetsk's Jews, they also send a message to all the region's residents, Salberg said.

"The message is a message to all the people that is we're going to exert our power over you," he said. "Jews are the default scapegoat throughout history for despots to send a message to the general public: Don't step out of line."


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This is the sort of thing that makes you want to kill someone.  Never again.
Title: Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine
Post by: NewAgeOfPower on April 17, 2014, 08:20:15 PM
Molon Labe.
Title: Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 17, 2014, 08:25:59 PM
Esperanto?
Title: Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine
Post by: Lord Avalon on April 17, 2014, 08:33:24 PM
My first reaction was, holy crap! I can't believe this is happening. Then my next thought was, sadly, yes, I can. This is horrible.
Title: What we know about the pro-Russian flier threatening to round up Ukrainian Jews
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 17, 2014, 11:21:20 PM
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What we know about the pro-Russian flier threatening to round up Ukrainian Jews
Vox
Updated by Zack Beauchamp on April 17, 2014, 1:57 p.m. ET @zackbeauchamp [email protected]


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Pro-Russia militants guard a barricade outside the police regional building seized by the separatists in the eastern Ukrainian city of Slavyansk on April 17, 2014  Genya SavilovAFP/Getty Images



The conflict in Ukraine was dangerous enough before people started talking about rounding up Jews.

On Tuesday of this week, a flier, sourced to pro-Russian separatists surfaced in the Ukrainian and Israeli media. Purportedly distributed by "three unidentified men wearing balaclavas and carrying the flag of the Russian Federation," the flier threatened Jews in Ukraine's Donetsk region with expulsion unless they registered themselves and their family with the local government. Scary stuff.

But it's hard to actually know what's going on. Donetsk, both a large city and a region, is the center of the armed pro-Russian movement in eastern Ukraine, where the Ukrainian government is currently waging a military campaign to put down. So here's a brief rundown of what we do and don't know about the flier so far.


It's sourced to this guy


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That's Denis Pushilin on the left, the Chairman of the Donetsk People's Republic — the name the pro-Russian separatists have given to themselves. If that's true, then compiling a registry of Jews would reflect the official policy of these pro-Russian militants, who are also believed to be backed by the Kremlin.


But the pro-Russian side denies it

Two different sources say Pushilin and his forces deny any connection to the fliers. According to the Jewish Telegraphic Agency, Pushilin claims they're a "provocation" aimed at discrediting his side.

But Yedioth Ahronoth, an Israeli newspaper, is reporting something slightly different. Pushilin, in their account, "confirmed that the flyers were distributed by his organization, but denied any connection to the leaflet's content." That would suggest that while persecuting Jews wasn't the official policy of the separatists, there are significant anti-Semitic elements inside their hierarchy — which could spell trouble for Ukrainian Jews in Donetsk if the region wins its independence or joins Russia.

The flier may not even be real. The Anti-Defamation League told Mashable that "we are skeptical about the flier's authenticity." The National Conference Supporting Jews, a regional Jewish rights group, believes it's a hoax. And The New Republic's Julia Ioffe, who knows the region well, believes the pro-Russian forces are extremely unlikely to risk losing supporters by threatening the Jewish minority.


The pamphlet references a Ukrainian nationalist responsible for the murder of Jews

The pamphlet's principal grievance against Ukrainian Jews is that they support the anti-Russian Ukrainian central government. They call that government the "Banderite junta" in the capital of Kyiv. That's a reference to Stepan Bandera, a Ukrainian nationalist leader from World War II who remains a potent and controversial symbol in today's Ukraine.


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Banner of Bandera at a Ukrainian sporting event in 2010. Wikimedia Commons


Pro-Russian Ukrainians despise Bandera, because he allied with the Nazis to expel Russian troops from Ukraine. However, he's also a symbol of anti-Jewish hate: Bandera's troops helped the SS slaughter Jews during their invasion of Ukraine. He ultimately turned on the Nazis when they wouldn't let him run an independent Ukraine, but from the Jewish point of view, it was too little, too late.

So for Jews, being tarred as Banderites is doubly disturbing: it at once makes them a target of Russian nationalists and reminds them of a time when Ukrainian Jews were being killed en masse.


There's an ongoing propaganda war over anti-Semitism in Ukraine, but the Russian side is more to blame

Part of the reason this flier is such a big deal is that Russia and Ukraine are both using accusations of anti-Semitism as part of their attempt to portray the other side as in the wrong. The memory of World War Two, and of the devastation Nazi Germany caused their countries, is still fresh in both. Russia alleges that fascist supporters of the new Ukrainian government are threatening Jews, while the Ukrainians say the same about pro-Russian separatists.

So far, there's very little evidence that the Ukrainian side is persecuting Jews. As Igor Volsky and Hayes Brown at ThinkProgress note, a recent UN report found could not find much evidence substantiating the Russian charges.

"Nobody is afraid of fascists," east Ukrainian rabbi Shmuel Kaminezki told the New York TImes. "But everyone is afraid of war with Russia."
http://www.vox.com/2014/4/17/5624696/anti-semitic-flier-ukraine (http://www.vox.com/2014/4/17/5624696/anti-semitic-flier-ukraine)
Title: Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine
Post by: Impaler on April 20, 2014, 04:13:19 AM
The flier is just so clownishly Natzi-ish and the fact that is prominently comes with Russian markings leads me to believe it is an attempt to smear the Russians. 

No one is actually interested in rounding up Jews here, that should be obvious to everyone, though news reports seem to conveniently neglect this when hyping the story.  This is a pure propaganda campaign, the only question is WHO's propaganda is it.

It was probably done by some pro-Midon locals just going off and doing something provocative, remember this 'operation' just needed a few stacks of paper, a photo-copier and a ski-mask to pull-off, their is no evidence that either sides leadership is responsible, but I'm sure both sides will assert this in an attempt to counter-smear and counter-counter-smear.
Title: Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 20, 2014, 04:23:59 AM
The news reports seem pretty consistent that low level pro-Russians were distributing.  "Pushilin, in their account, "confirmed that the flyers were distributed by his organization, but denied any connection to the leaflet's content.""

If it was a smear -and it's Chinatown over there; I do not deny the possibility- how did they trick the street-level operatives into distributing?  I'm asking.  And it's very telling that people were willing to pass out at all.  People make me sad sometimes.

Makes me want to find some Nazis to shoot, and I doubt I'm unusual in that.  We're pretty deeply conditioned; I had no idea I felt so strongly until this story broke.
Title: Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine
Post by: Lord Avalon on April 20, 2014, 04:32:46 AM
Makes me want to find some Nazis to shoot,...
Wolfenstein 3D FTW!
Title: Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 20, 2014, 04:38:56 AM
I ain't playin'.  It's different knowing about the history when my mom was a baby, and reading the translation of that flyer thinking it was real; heinous poop like that goes on too often all over the planet and we harden our hearts too easily and try not to think about it too much, but seeing it at the beginning trying to start up on a model so familiar?  Never again.
Title: Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine
Post by: Vishniac on April 20, 2014, 06:37:48 AM
It's strange that a few leaflets distributed by some unknown stirs world outrage when Kiev is under control of these guys:
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The sign on the t-shirt seems familiar? Sure!
It comes from here:
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That's 'almost' the insignia of the 2nd Waffen-SS Division.
And Svoboda and their Pravy Sektor friends wear it on helmets, on scarfs, well...everywhere everyday.
But we still read that
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There's an ongoing propaganda war over anti-Semitism in Ukraine, but the Russian side is more to blame
  :o
Title: Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 20, 2014, 09:33:24 PM
Nothing to say, Yitzi?  Really?
Title: Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine
Post by: Yitzi on April 20, 2014, 09:41:08 PM
What's to say?  Ukrainians being anti-Semitic and Russians being anti-Semitic are both not at all news, and fortunately this time there's a place for Jews to go should it prove necessary.  It's not as if this was something that some people here might think was ok and therefore needs to be denounced.
Title: Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 20, 2014, 09:46:49 PM
That's about what I figured.  It's bad - nothing much else to say.

I still find it appalling that anyone was willing to distribute, and find that terribly discrediting to the pro-Russian side no matter the origin.
Title: Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine
Post by: BlaneckW on April 20, 2014, 10:10:17 PM
What's to say?  Ukrainians being anti-Semitic and Russians being anti-Semitic are both not at all news, and fortunately this time there's a place for Jews to go should it prove necessary.
Beachwood Ohio?
Title: Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine
Post by: Yitzi on April 20, 2014, 10:29:52 PM
What's to say?  Ukrainians being anti-Semitic and Russians being anti-Semitic are both not at all news, and fortunately this time there's a place for Jews to go should it prove necessary.
Beachwood Ohio?

I'm referring to Israel, of course.
Title: Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine
Post by: Valka on April 21, 2014, 07:32:41 AM
Regardless of the flier's authenticity or who is responsible for it, it's an obscenity. Holocaust denial and hate speech such as this are crimes in Canada. "Freedom of expression" doesn't mean you can say or write just any damnfool, hateful thing you want, at least in public. That freedom comes with the responsibility to not use it to harm others.
Title: Re: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine
Post by: BlaneckW on April 21, 2014, 12:48:58 PM
I'm referring to Israel, of course.
Sounds like a safe place.
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