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Title: miniatures
Post by: ariete on September 30, 2013, 07:57:50 PM
when i was 14 years old i followed half of a collection of De Agostini, an italian house of entertainment as hobby & works, which every 15 days, through newsstands, sell out a series about miniatures of napoleonic soldiers.

(http://alphacentauri2.info/MGalleryItem.php?id=630)

(http://alphacentauri2.info/MGalleryItem.php?id=631)

(http://alphacentauri2.info/MGalleryItem.php?id=632)
Title: Re: miniatures
Post by: ariete on September 30, 2013, 08:06:59 PM
i also have 3 miniatures of italian soldiers.

(http://alphacentauri2.info/MGalleryItem.php?id=633)

from left : mountain infantryman of the first world war (fante alpino), carabiniere (no traduction  here :P) on horseback during the first independence war (not yet italy do it, at the time Savoia's home of region Piemonte was trying the first part of unification, year 1948) and carabiniere infantryman in the late of 19 century.
Title: Re: miniatures
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 30, 2013, 08:12:15 PM
I can't wait for Rusty Edge to get back from vacation.  I bet he has some soldier figures to share, too, or at least some nice sailing ship models...
Title: Re: miniatures
Post by: ariete on September 30, 2013, 08:31:34 PM
i don't know him but i'm sure to have touch a good too-pic for our amusement. i trust also in warhammer chosens.
Title: Re: miniatures
Post by: Geo on September 30, 2013, 08:59:38 PM
..., or at least some nice sailing ship models...

This.
At least if they're of those fast and nimble French frigates. ;)
Title: Re: miniatures
Post by: Arbee on September 30, 2013, 11:21:50 PM
Once upon a time, during my Dungeons & Dragons days, I attempted to paint my own miniatures.  The primer/base coat went horribly, horribly wrong, however, and I decided that it wasn't worth the effort after all.  Sad, sad waste of perfectly good money, paint, and figurines, haha.
Title: Re: miniatures
Post by: Green1 on October 02, 2013, 01:50:12 AM
Once upon a time, during my Dungeons & Dragons days, I attempted to paint my own miniatures.  The primer/base coat went horribly, horribly wrong, however, and I decided that it wasn't worth the effort after all.  Sad, sad waste of perfectly good money, paint, and figurines, haha.

The minis for DnD are not really worth it because it is impossible to have a mini for every possible encounter. That is unless you are a rich nerd with a regular, years long meeting group and a nice sized garage or basement and strictly only run low level.

Nowadays, I think most folks have moved to pogs. You get thin circular pieces of wood or plastic and paste printed graphics from your printer on them if you are feeling industrious. Most of the time though, we just used dice. Lets say you were fighting 10 orcs. I would just put down 10 10 sided dice and turn the face on a different number so it would be orc #1, #2, etc to keep up with HPs.
Title: Re: miniatures
Post by: Arbee on October 02, 2013, 12:20:23 PM
The minis for DnD are not really worth it because it is impossible to have a mini for every possible encounter. That is unless you are a rich nerd with a regular, years long meeting group and a nice sized garage or basement and strictly only run low level.

Nowadays, I think most folks have moved to pogs. You get thin circular pieces of wood or plastic and paste printed graphics from your printer on them if you are feeling industrious. Most of the time though, we just used dice. Lets say you were fighting 10 orcs. I would just put down 10 10 sided dice and turn the face on a different number so it would be orc #1, #2, etc to keep up with HPs.

I only made the attempt because I used a rotation of specific characters depending on the scenario/campaign at hand, and I wanted to have a set of miniatures to represent each one, haha.  My friends and I thought it would be cool.  Turns out it really wasn't. XD
Title: Re: miniatures
Post by: Valka on October 02, 2013, 08:41:58 PM
I tried painting miniatures, too. I discovered that my grandmother's painting talent was not inherited.  :-\
Title: Re: miniatures
Post by: Green1 on October 03, 2013, 02:05:03 AM

With the exception of Warhammer and the historical minis scene, I think most tactical minis have moved to pre-painted plastic like the DnD minis. Call it blasphemous but if you are going to be the guy that has every possible army/encounter to put together it seems not only cheaper but lighter and less time consuming.

That said, there are a few older (50ish to 60ish) wargame nerds in my hometown. They do nothing but historical minis battles. Every terrain, every battle is handmade and the tables are around 15 foot by 15 foot. They have hand painted stuff they (and their wives) have been painting for decades and can field any battle or any era Stone Age to Napoleonic to Modern.

That is the most elaborate set up I have personally seen for minis.
Title: Re: miniatures
Post by: Green1 on October 03, 2013, 02:16:31 AM
@ Ariete..

For those that do not know, some of those particular minis are EXPENSIVE nowadays that she has shown in pics. Especially well painted. Those are the "cadillac" minis for old school mini wargamers. I have seen them in a collectors mini store off of Royal Street and that particular merchant was charging 100 to 200 apiece.

You must have been raised in a wargamer household.

Title: Re: miniatures
Post by: ariete on October 04, 2013, 12:31:24 PM

That said, there are a few older (50ish to 60ish) wargame nerds in my hometown. They do nothing but historical minis battles. Every terrain, every battle is handmade and the tables are around 15 foot by 15 foot. They have hand painted stuff they (and their wives) have been painting for decades and can field any battle or any era Stone Age to Napoleonic to Modern.

That is the most elaborate set up I have personally seen for minis.


you seem very passionate, perhaps more than me. i was curious to see something of your, i knowed here i'd found peoples which have something to show, most of which i show to you. you've some photos to share about something, maybe of those veterans of war you're talkin about.

Title: Re: miniatures
Post by: ariete on October 04, 2013, 12:41:37 PM
@ Ariete..

For those that do not know, some of those particular minis are EXPENSIVE nowadays that she has shown in pics. Especially well painted. Those are the "cadillac" minis for old school mini wargamers. I have seen them in a collectors mini store off of Royal Street and that particular merchant was charging 100 to 200 apiece.


wait ... i don't understand who you refer, my minis??
my minis are not for wargame, they were part of a collection you can bought in newsstands in italy more than 18 years ago, and i remeber they're about 8.000 lire each one, less than 5 euro of today, every 15 days it could be done, but unfurtnaly i couldn't finish the whole collection.
Title: Re: miniatures
Post by: Buster's Uncle on October 11, 2013, 03:08:54 AM
Bumped for Rusty...
Title: Re: miniatures
Post by: ariete on October 11, 2013, 12:08:59 PM
no one have something to show ... incredible, i'm the only on this forum who have some few minis to show??
Title: Re: miniatures
Post by: Rusty Edge on October 13, 2013, 05:55:50 AM
I can't wait for Rusty Edge to get back from vacation.  I bet he has some soldier figures to share, too, or at least some nice sailing ship models...


Cool thread!

Sorry. I certainly played with model soldiers when I was a kid, but I gave them away  to younger cousins who could enjoy them.

As for any kind of painting I tend to be a slob who leaves trickles of paint from having excess on the brush. Any models I made tended to suck for that reason, no matter how cool they were otherwise, and eventually succumbed to firecrackers and flames.

I think the best ones were warships that came in gray plastic which I never laid a brush on.

I don't have any ship models.  I simply don't trust my wife's cats and our house cleaners.  Someday I may. Or I might buy an oil painting instead. It's something I think about a lot.


Here's an amazing model of one of Napoleon's Polish Lancers

http://www.internetmodeler.com/2000/july/figures/lancer.htm (http://www.internetmodeler.com/2000/july/figures/lancer.htm)

Stuff this good makes me sure I wouldn't want to try it.
 


Title: Re: miniatures
Post by: ariete on October 13, 2013, 02:10:55 PM
polish lancer is really well done. then rifles-lateindustrial age is my prefer era under this point of view.

when i was young i playied with toy soldiers, some bought, other gifted by grown people and other ...  ;lol i remember when my father and me stealed some japanese toy soldiers in a large stock (even a child could do it in the era of no camera watching).
then i grew up but the curiosity for war history and uniforms is always remained. i've done accounting in a kind of high school, where there was no need to study (really), but history is always been the only matter i've always studied voluntarily and nicely, even the professor was shocked by this fact (in italy history is a censored tabu).
unfurtunaly i can say the same for english language  ;lol ... even if you've knowed my english teachers ... (because we change them every 3-6 moths depending on the their bonus psi mental strength  ;lol) but i've always listen lot of blackblueblocks music  :whistle:, and recently i train my language to talk wit u  :writer: ...  ;lol
i think i've some plastic toy soldiers more in my basement, but i'd look for. minis are more accurated and give a sense more mature and certainly not use them for play, but if anyone want show its plastic armies let me show them.
Title: Re: miniatures
Post by: Buster's Uncle on October 21, 2013, 12:53:30 AM
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Napoleon defeated in Leipzig, again
AFP
By Carolyn Beeler 5 hours ago


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Leipzig (Germany) (AFP) - Thousands of history buffs in early 19th-century costumes took to a historic battlefield outside Leipzig, Germany, on Sunday to reenact the Battle of the Nations that left French emperor Napoleon's army critically beaten 200 years ago.

The mock battle opened with a line of French troops dressed in brilliant green, red, light blue and grey uniforms, bayonets raised, marching toward villagers in period costumes huddled around a cluster of thatched-roof cottages.

Cavalry passes followed, then muskets finally flashed as opposing lines of French and Allied enemy troops opened fire on each other under a gloomy grey sky.

Fifes and drums played in the background as some of Napoleon’s forces tended to their muskets, and cannon boomed once again in the rolling green fields outside the eastern German city.

"I want to show history for our young people," said re-enactor Peter Bach, 59. "Otherwise they can only read about it in history books."


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A house burns during a re-enactement of the Battle of the Nations in Leipzig on October 20, 2013


A historical commission spent years perfecting the scenario for the bicentennial re-enactment, and some 6,000 enthusiasts turned out to stage the mock battle, also known as the Battle of Leipzig.

Bach, from nearby Erfurt, played a two-star general in the service of Saxony, the region around Leipzig. The gold-braid trim on his uniform and his feathered, two-corner hat attested to a certain status on the battlefield.

Ahead of the re-enactment, however, he said he had no idea where his unit would be moving.

"We want it to be like reality, so I wait to get my orders from the big chief," Bach said, happy to be kept in the dark.

"It's good, it's real. I was in the German army, and it's the same," he said with a laugh.


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Spectators crowd the stands during a re-enactement of the Battle of the Nations in Leipzig on October 20,2013


Fighting for Napoleon's army, though, one thing is certain: "In the evening, we are all in heaven," Bach said. "It's no problem, though, we are all friends."


United Nations of re-enactors

The battle was the turning point in the Napoleonic wars.

Weakened after taking his wars deep into Russia, Napoleon lost outside Leipzig against allied forces from, among others, Prussia, Russia, Sweden and Britain.

The battle is known as the bloodiest in Europe prior to World War I, with roughly 100,000 of the 600,000 mobilised soldiers dying.


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French troops fighting for Napoleon's Grande Armee fire their weapons during a re-enactement of the Battle of the Nations in Leipzig on October 20, 2013


Sunday's mock battle was also meant to be a unifying force. Participants came from 28 countries, and in drills over the weekend marching orders were barked in a host of different languages.

"The winks and nods are helpful," said Robert Smith, 41, an American whose English-speaking unit got its orders in Polish. Smith relied on the international language of hand gestures and head nods for clues.

"There are six languages in this battalion, so it makes for an interesting drill," said Mark Koens, clad in a blue coat and grey wool pants similar to Smith's, both fighting for the Prussians.

Koens, 43, travelled from Sydney with a handful of other Australians. He said he was drawn to re-creating the Napoleonic wars because so many veterans emigrated to Australia after the fighting.

"It changed the Australian landscape," Koens said. "Areas are named after battles: towns, streets, pubs.… Lord Nelson, Hero of Waterloo" -- the place where the battle took place, less than two years later, that definitively ended Napoleon's rule over large parts of Europe.


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A surgeon with the French army speaks on a mobile phone before taking part in a re-enactement


The crowd for the sold-out event numbered well over 30,000, with children often sitting on their parents' shoulders for a better view.

Pavel Kmoch, 45, a long-time re-enactor from Prague, brought his nine-year-old son along to instill respect for the horrors of the past.

"The young are interested in fighting on the computer, and I want to show him that the computer is not the real life," said Kmoch, wearing a French uniform of white, red and blue, like his son. "This is still a game, but you can imagine, a little bit at least, how terrible it has to be to face a line of several hundred enemy rifles."

Participants said the best part of the event was spending time with a veritable United Nations of re-enactors in the evenings leading up to battle.

"Mostly it's about the camp, cooking, singing, sewing, everyday activities," Koens said. "Nations that were once at war come together to share and commemorate about that loss, which is great."

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Title: Re: miniatures
Post by: Rusty Edge on October 21, 2013, 03:57:55 AM
That is awesome!
Title: Re: miniatures
Post by: ariete on October 21, 2013, 12:17:31 PM
 ;b; really cool uncle.
unfortunaly around where i live i've never seen something of this genre, except for rare - scandalous medioeval rapresentations (i hate dark age  :mad:).
pics you've posted are very amazing, uniforms of different armies well done, you know ... they're germans (have you noticed there are also concubines who follow the platoons marching ... studied in minute details ... i repeat they're german)
Title: Re: miniatures
Post by: ariete on October 21, 2013, 12:43:40 PM
my favourites:


prussian vs french ussars (if i don't wrong)

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french vs sweeden

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warsav dukedom lancers

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too time to charge this pic, i can't see whole but it seems cool perspective, they should be vestfalia lancers

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and ... who are those ??  ;lol veterans??

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Title: Re: miniatures
Post by: Unorthodox on October 21, 2013, 02:12:01 PM
The only collection I have is playing cards, and it's gone half-hearted these days. 
Title: Re: miniatures
Post by: Geo on October 21, 2013, 06:16:57 PM
1 years three quarters before the bi-centennial re-enactment of Waterloo...
Title: Re: miniatures
Post by: ariete on October 21, 2013, 07:57:59 PM
what is mean geo, it's expected a huge rapresentation on large scale in waterloo??
Title: Re: miniatures
Post by: Geo on October 21, 2013, 09:52:11 PM
Don't think it will be on the scale of the Leipzig battle, but see for yourself (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Waterloo_reenactment) (if you can read it :P ).
Title: Re: miniatures
Post by: ariete on October 22, 2013, 12:14:19 PM
yes i can, it's not belgian  ;cute

surely it's hard to make better than germans. i'm going to show something about that event in 2011, just for who only understands the figures

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