I did like that one.
-Though he missed a trick. When it got to those cute JLA/Avengers annual meetings, there was a reference by Wonder Woman to Cap going back to the All-Star Squadron/Invader reunions, right? Why not Wonder Woman, too? Not bound by continuity at that point, so why not?
The superhero concept is intrinsically, inherently, essentially, and irretrievably childish...No!
Of course superheroes are infantileNo!
I want to be Superman. -Or at least for Superman to be real. Reasonable people can disagree about whether that's a mature fantasy, but it seems obvious.
I want to be Superman. -Or at least for Superman to be real. Reasonable people can disagree about whether that's a mature fantasy, but it seems obvious.
I'd rather he not be real and here is why.
He's Kryptonian and a super being that is only countered by Krypton, which is apparently a VERY rare mineral.
And why is this an issue? Superman's costume is Clark Kent. Superman's identity is Superman, his costume, Clark Kent is him trying to fit into humankind and blend. It also represents his opinion of humanity; Clark Kent is a weak, near useless, cowardly individual.
Incidentally, I'd like your reaction to this idea: if the Crown Prince had not been a publically-known hemophiliac, the last 100 years of Russian history might very likely have been profoundly different. He wasn't a very good prospect to live long enough to be Czar, or produce heirs, and that made all the difference in getting people to support a revolution. Chaos was coming anyway.
A real hero would have had a plan to build something. Maybe Evey was supposed to - though that would be a real hail mary, on V's part, to assume.All we saw Evey do was carry out V's last wish, and seemingly commence training a successor - which tends to hint that she didn't expect to live a long time - or just wanted another pair of hands to the work, depending. She probably hadn't changed her mind about not killing, but we have very little to go on about WHAT she was going to do. V was much cleverer even than we were shown if he knew.
A real hero would have had a plan to build something. Maybe Evey was supposed to - though that would be a real hail mary, on V's part, to assume.All we saw Evey do was carry out V's last wish, and seemingly commence training a successor - which tends to hint that she didn't expect to live a long time - or just wanted another pair of hands to the work, depending. She probably hadn't changed her mind about not killing, but we have very little to go on about WHAT she was going to do. V was much cleverer even than we were shown if he knew.
Well, I wasn't speaking of the prince as a singular cause, by any means; merely suggesting that a healthy Romanov heir just might have made enough difference to get the old system past a wartime crisis point. My knowledge of the time and place suggests that the revolution could maybe have gone the other way, anyway, if it had rained at different times, or something.
It's not that I don't find where this thread has ended up fascinating. It's just that I know nothing about Russian history and V FOR VENDETTA is probably my least favorite Alan Moore product, so, you know.I take it you never read Lost Girls?
But by all means, carry on.
The Infinity Concerto by Greg Bear.
-So far, this seems very good, notwithstanding a title that sounds like a Marvel Comics crossover event about Thanos taking up classical music.
I hope Vishniac sees that joke. I remember when Jim Starlin used to write comics that weren't stupid.
As I said, Nicolas was a strong leader, but his regime, the very system was old, outdated and was going to collapse. It may be a Marxist Theory but its a theory that has turned out true, and not just for the Russian monarchy, but ALL monarchies. Nearly ever monarchy now is non existent, or non functioning. Of course lots of that is due to world wars kicking them out of power, but why didn't so many European nations re-instate their monarchs into full power after the conflicts? Because people do not want monarchies is why. They were/are outdated establishment that is unrelated to the modern society.That's basic democratic/capitalist theory too, you know. Monarchy is a very bad system of government - if it's a meritocracy, they fight, and everyone suffers. If it's purely hereditary to avoid the fighting, you end up with inbred hemophiliac boy kings, and that's no good, either.
The British constitutional monarchy model renders them at least harmless, if expensive to keep up.
Jarl, I wish I could reach into the innerwebs and loan you my copies of Ronin and Dark Knight...Could always screenshot it, but that'd be tedious. And mailing it is out of the question ;lol
I saw the Sin City film but it kind of soured me on the books because as I understand it they are almost shot for shot adaptations, and I was deeply disappointed by the movie; which sucked because it probably still has, to this day, the best trailer I have ever seen for any motion picture.The film wasn't terrible, but it was seriously lacking in lots of the stories that set the mood and tone of the entire series. Plus it borrowed off too much from the Matrix craze back then with it's special effects. I honestly hate the Matrix with a passion, I do not find it interesting at all: now a movie or series about a war against transhumans/sentient robots would be interesting because you'd have so many moral implications going both ways.
-So far, this seems very good, notwithstanding a title that sounds like a Marvel Comics crossover event about Thanos taking up classical music.
He has good taste in music...-So far, this seems very good, notwithstanding a title that sounds like a Marvel Comics crossover event about Thanos taking up classical music.
That makes Thanos...smile!
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I never got why The Matrix impressed so many people so much. I found it merely okay for the kind of thing it is.I maintain that the original Matrix still stands up very well. It's got clear purpose and clean storytelling not excessively bogged down with exposition beyond the initial "Desert of the Real" info dump, and some great action scenes. The tragedy is that it is harmed retroactively by its sequels.
Would you agree with "good if you like that sort of thing"?Yes but film is also a visual medium in addition to one about plots and ideas, and you need to factor in the quality of the acting, effects, editing and direction in addition to the originality of the ideas when you judge a film. There's hardly an original bone in the Matrix's body-- it cribs from everything: Neuromancer, Snow Crash, Terminator, Plato and the films that you mentioned, but what makes it a good film is how well it presents itself. Bullet time is used everywhere since the Matrix, but remember that it is the first film that figured out how to do it.
It's too much of a contemporary shoot-'em-up for me to enjoy as SF, and the SF element isn't even original to movies, let alone print SF. A lot of what blew people I knew's minds was the investigation into the nature of reality - but only because they hadn't seen The Thirteenth Floor or Dark City or Existenz (if I'm remembering that last right).
I'd be happier if no one had invented bullet time; witness my earlier remarks about the Watchmen movie...The Watchmen film is justified to me exclusively for the sequence where Dr. Manhatten travels to Mars and then reminiscences about his past, which I thought was fantastically realized.
Would you agree with "good if you like that sort of thing"?That could be said for anything: any movie / book / painting / song.
Most arguing on the innernets is over matters of opinion, and, lordy lordy, can nerdz ever get HOT over a difference of opinion.There is a French cinema forum where I am not registered but where I go to read news about future movies and reviews of movies I have seen.
Sure, I can say that Citizen Kane is a better movie than Dune without much fear of contradiction...And I wouldn't support you: I never watched Citizen Kane but actually like Dune.
There IS such a thing as the kind of thing that people who like that kind of thing will like; I've met David Lynch fans who loved Dune.And so I figure: I never understood why people DIDN'T like Dune.
Go figure.
And there's some of the crap I hated most.In a more perfect world we would have gotten Alexander Jodorovsky's Dune, which would have made Lynch's version look like Robert Rodriguez's Sin City in comparison.
It's all a matter of opinion.
He can never be her equal, or even near-peer, so that exacerbates the problems with that approach.Well, again, equal how? Certainly not physically or even mentally for that matter, but a relationship where the two partners can't acknowledge one another on equal footing is a really unstable and unsatisfying one.
Equal as a human being? I should certainly hope so.Oh definitely. That's why I think the politician angle would work. Since when does a politician need to be super strong or supersmart? His attitude, charisma, ideology and decision making determine his success in that field.
I was talking about old attempts to build him up as a macho hero-type and involve him in the adventures, which I find to be a mistake.
Steve Trevor as a JFK type politician... yes. Brilliant idea.I see exactly where you're coming from and I really appreciate that angle because it vocalizes the real problem with Wonder Woman. Is it possible that she doesn't really have a purpose in this age? It's not as if there aren't any female superheros at all like when the character was created, so she doesn't need to be the sole voice for a voiceless minority of comic book readers; but there's still virtue in the idea of her due to gender politics in comics (and nerd media in general) being so screwed up.
I know 'give WW a girlfriend' keeps being proposed and shot down, but that time has passed and the time for a major mainstream character to represent the LGBT community has come round at last. You wouldn't have to sell it very hard. My 'reveal that Superman has always been black, and so were all the other Kryptonians" story would be much tougher... but that time is coming, too.
I'm not dissing what you're doing. I am saying, though, that you're not understanding what I mean by an essence, a core concept, or a theme. You keep going to powers. Powers are not what a book is about.
The essential center of Spider-man is Peter Parker's unhappiness. (You could go deeper and say it's about loneliness... something Sam Raimi understood and brought to the screen beautifully, and as he took that more and more away from Parker with each succeeding movie, each succeeding movie lost more and more of the essential concept.) But it's enough to understand that Peter can never forgive himself for failing Uncle Ben. That is what drives him, and that is what makes the concept work. If he ever gets therapy and forgives himself, he will stop being Spider-man, because being Spider-man is the source and center of all his unhappiness.
Ditko understood this, and so did Stan Lee.
Roger Stern, sadly, did not really grasp it.
Batman is very similar, with the key difference being that Batman is driven by rage and an obsession with NEVER BEING HELPLESS AGAIN. He doesn't feel guilty that he didn't stop Joe Chill, he's too coldly rational for that. He was a kid. He gets that. But he will NEVER be in that position again.
But this is all the difference. Where being Spider-man makes Peter Parker miserable and keeps him from ever being happy (which is why marrying him off to Mary Jane was such a bad idea), being Batman is all that keeps Batman sane and relatively happy. Bruce Wayne is his daytime mask. What is very nearly unique about Batman is that he's Batman ALL THE TIME. Batman is the real guy. Wayne is a mask he puts on.
But you have to understand your character. If you understand your character, you know how to write it so it resonates. And there is no such thing to understand with WW.
Now, yes, you could make her "the Woman of Wonder". Strongest, fastest, most awesome chick in the world! Steve Englehart had Wonder Man get over his insecurity in WEST COAST AVENGERS and start acting like "a young Superman". And, astonishingly, Wonder Man became boring and shallow. Not one of Englehart's better ideas.
How does making her be all about being 'the strongest/fastest/best woman in the world' drive her? How does that motivate her? Well, it sounds to me like it makes her hypercompetitive, insecure, and shallow. You go ahead and pitch that. I won't buy the book, though.
...give Captain America's concept briefly as possible. Bonus points if you don't mention Bucky.The concept of Captain America is fully comprised in his name:
But other things being the same as in the actual real world, when a particular genre ended up pushing out monster comics, romance comics, horror comics and the like in place of supers, it would have been war or western comics, the latter being most realistically likely, IMAO.Two things:
So it's already been done right, and was a huge hit. Let's not fiddle with a winning formula, but find another statuesque brunette and hurt some Nazis!
2) I don't know whether you saw them but there are now a series of different comics from different writers/scenarists called "Before Watchmen" and narrating the adventures of the Comedian, the first, Silk Spectre, Ozymandias, the Minutemen, the Masked Judge, etc. I could just throw a glance at them once in a shop but they seem pretty well done (but Moore would kill anybody acknowledging that!).Before Watchmen is a whole big conversation that I don't know is worth getting into with so few of us here that deeply invested in love of comics. Leaving aside the whole ethics controversy, which I do not do lightly, my short take is that they've done the creatively bankrupt comics equivalent of remaking Casablanca. Some things are just so right and complete that you don't touch them. Also, Neil Gaiman didn't write any of it, so not worth doing even if you don't think it's remaking Citizen Kane. I wouldn't care to see even Grant Morrison try - and no one involved in Before Watchmen was even on his level of mastery, apologies to Joe Kubert.
Now, they did retcon her to try to "make" her cool with the whole god/goddess stuff, but still, it has no comparison to the mythology of Superman or lord forbid the deepness of Spiderman.Joke or irony?
He said "Deepness of Spider-Man."Now, they did retcon her to try to "make" her cool with the whole god/goddess stuff, but still, it has no comparison to the mythology of Superman or lord forbid the deepness of Spiderman.Joke or irony?
Fact is Superman has no deepness.
He is the most one-dimensional of all super-heroes, perhaps because he was the first one (or not far from it).
He's just the boy-scout and not much more, and authors had to write some stand-alone stories to change that matter.
The mythology too is shallow: Krypton heritage? Bah! Kryptonite weakness? Always the same thing. Been there done that. Even Zak Snyder felt compelled to bring back Zod for a movie, so few are the threats to him.
I've read herds of people complaining about Smallville being crap but I liked the show. There you had a (pre-)Superman who doubted, who wonders, who loved, who failed, who was seeking answers, who had adventures...
But the usual Superman? Give me Lex Luthor instead anyday!
He said "Deepness of Spider-Man."Aha! :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
Infinity #1 Reviewhttp://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2013/08/15/infinity-1-review/ (http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2013/08/15/infinity-1-review/)
by Brian Cronin | August 15, 2013 @ 10:50 AM
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A quote often attributed to NHL Hall of Famer Wayne Gretzky is that you should always “skate to where the puck is going, not to where it is” (whether Gretzky ACTUALLY said it is something I dealt with in a Hockey Legends Revealed). Simply put, the quote suggests that a great hockey center like Gretzky has to always be thinking one step ahead of his opponents. He has to be able to see the entire ice rink and all the variables and then plan an attack that takes every moving part on the rink into consideration. While doing one thing he has to see where the puck will later be and plan for what will happen when he gets there. It takes a very skilled person to manage a situation like this. Jonathan Hickman is just that type of skilled person and it was fascinating watching him take this type of approach with the first issue of Infinity, Hickman’s first shot at writing a company-wide crossover (but with the high quality of this first issue, it will surely not be his last).
Hickman has spent the last eight or so months of Avengers and New Avengers putting all of the pieces into play for Infinity, from the establishment of the powerful Builders (a threat so dire that the Avengers have to leave Earth to fight them) to the slow introduction of Thanos’ generals to the mystery of the new Captain Universe, all of it comes to bear in this first issue of Infinity.
However, what I perhaps appreciate more about this first issue than the preparation that Hickman put into it is the fact that you really did not even need to KNOW that Hickman put a ton of preparation into this story, as it works as a story on its own. Heck, the appearance (and destruction) of Galador and the Spaceknights, designed to show the might of the Builders, completely works without readers even knowing that Galador and the Spaceknights are an established part of the Marvel Universe.
The Galador sequence was pretty rough, although beautifully illustrated by Jimmy Cheung, Mark Morales and Justin Ponsor…
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By the way, I was really taken aback by how well Infinity #0 flowed into the book. I mean, don’t get me wrong, I’m sure Hickman actually wrote the issue specifically so that #0 was part of the story before it was lopped off to be used on Free Comic Book Day, but the way that it worked on its own that day and then as a seemingly non-separate chapter today? That was very cool.
Hickman splits the book into chapters and the approach works well. It reminds me a bit of Grant Morrison’s approach on Final Crisis, where each chapter sort of works as a snapshot of a crisis while putting them all together gives you a better idea of what the actual scenario is. The series of quick chapters with powerful cliffhangers keeps the story moving and the reader constantly on edge, even while most of the issue is spent setting up the rest of the series.
The basic gist of the story is that these powerful beings, the Builders, are ravaging worlds while on a collision course for Earth. The Avengers, naturally, decide to go stop them. Meanwhile, Thanos and his crew of bad guys have a plot to stop them, which includes one of his minions sneaking into Attilan and mining Black Bolt for some information…
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and then Thanos attacking Earth while it is relatively unattended. This leads to a phenomenal final page that really drives the series.
Cheung is an amazing artist, although the intentionally cramped nature of the plot (much of the issue takes place in small quarters as the heroes discover how screwed they are and the villains plot) but when he is given the chance to break loose, like the aforementioned Galador sequence (or earlier in the book when we see Thanos receive a “tribute”) he does a great job at depicting an awesome battle sequence.
My favorite page in the issue is a little touch by Hickman that only underscored the severity of the upcoming battles, Smasher (who is a member of the Shi’ar Imperial Guard) mentions the notion that the Imperial Guard has been called together, along with back-ups for each member, as the Shi’ar are clearly expecting heavy losses and therefore will need ready replacements….
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It is a clever idea by Hickman that the Shi’ar would do that but more so it is a clever way of showing this situation from a sort of staid, military-esque perspective. The matter-of-factness of the discussion makes it seem all the more imposing.
A number of recent Marvel events have opened strongly only to peter out a bit over the next few issues, but I have faith that Hickman has planned this so well that we won’t see that happen here and we’ll instead get one of the best Marvel events in recent memory.
Titania had one of the funniest lines in the whole series...What was it?
I have to admit, I'm addicted to smileys. There can never be too many, unless the forum software says so... :D
They have appeal. All we have now is ;spock and ;leia....(http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Films_et_TV/porte-des-etoiles.gif)...(http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Films_et_TV/stargate-ouvre-porte-585.gif)...(http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Films_et_TV/stargate-porte-des-etoiles-584.gif)...(http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Films_et_TV/stargate-tealc-013.gif)...(http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Films_et_TV/stargate009.gif)...(http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Films_et_TV/stargate7.gif)...(http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Films_et_TV/stargate6.gif)
An animated .gif's surely a lot of frames to reduce, and I have my doubts about it looking like much at a reasonably small size, but if you really really want it, I'll put that on my to-do list. I'll need a smilie code.
(BUncle, about time there's a 'reason for edit' window on the forum, your editing starts to feel like the first politics option in SMAC)Housekeeping again, to add a bracket and make the quote display right. I wish there was a reason box, but SMF forum software don't have one, AFAIK. I've never edited you for fun, and would always post a reason if it was feasible.
I would like these smiliesGimme :codes: .
;llapI don't see a code. Is there a way to exit out of WYSIWYG?
Hit Quote to see the code I made up...
End of the row immediately over the leaderhead smiles, right-hand. Button should look like a pointer in red brackets. Hovertexts "Toggle View".;llapI don't see a code. Is there a way to exit out of WYSIWYG?
Hit Quote to see the code I made up...
Okay, I see it now.End of the row immediately over the leaderhead smiles, right-hand. Button should look like a pointer in red brackets. Hovertexts "Toggle View".;llapI don't see a code. Is there a way to exit out of WYSIWYG?
Hit Quote to see the code I made up...
-Incidentally, I can install secret smilies by making them hidden - not on any menu, appearing with a code you've memorized and keyed in...
And I've indulged myself one of the latter, given current events. Check the hovertext...*snicker*
;modban
And I've indulged myself one of the latter, given current events. Check the hovertext...Give him at least the hair and the helmet of THOR!
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And I've indulged myself one of the latter, given current events. Check the hovertext...
Works in my versions of IE and Chrome...
I like the top one.
CHOOSE...
CHOOSE...Or I just go with the yellow one.
;cute
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Men dressed as Batman, Capt. America rescue cathttp://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Men-dressed-as-Batman-Capt-America-rescue-cat-4798824.php (http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Men-dressed-as-Batman-Capt-America-rescue-cat-4798824.php)
Updated 7:24 am, Tuesday, September 10, 2013
MILTON, W.Va. (AP) — Who says superheroes aren't real?
When a West Virginia home caught fire, trapping a kitten inside, it was Batman and Captain America who came to the rescue.
John Buckland, dressed as Batman, and Troy Marcum, dressed as Captain America, saw smoke at a house nearby when they were entertaining children as part of their business. They ran to the house along with another bystander, kicked in the door and broke out a window so some smoke could escape.
Buckland, a former firefighter, says he crawled into the front room and felt something furry. He grabbed the animal, ran outside and gave it mouth-to-mouth resuscitation.
No one was hurt in the fire, including the rescuers — though Buckland says the cat hissed and swatted at him when it regained consciousness.
Wonder Woman Is A Priority At Warner Broshttp://www.cinemablend.com/new/Wonder-Woman-Priority-Warner-Bros-39717.html (http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Wonder-Woman-Priority-Warner-Bros-39717.html)
While Marvel Studios has spent the last five years growing a cinematic universe with a diverse group of comic book heroes like Iron Man, Thor, Captain America and Hulk, DC and Warner Bros. are left playing catch-up. As we've discussed at length, Superman and Batman are finally going to come together in the same movie for the first time in Zack Snyder's untitled Man of Steel sequel, but what else does the studio have cooking? According to Warner Bros. CEO Kevin Tsujihara, one of the primary goals is finally getting something going with Wonder Woman.
Unfortunately, specific details about those goals seem to be in a state of flux. The Hollywood Reporter was present for an entertainment law conference this past weekend and during the proceedings Tsujihara said that the studio is prioritizing some kind of Wonder Woman project, but that at this time what that project will be is unknown. Noting the studio's lack of superhero movies outside of Batman and Superman as "missed opportunity," the executive said that there are "huge plans for a number of other DC properties on TV" and that they "need to get Wonder Woman on the big screen or TV."
It's not hard to see why Warner Bros. would want to prioritize a female superhero movie. Marvel's main line-up right now is entirely populated by white dudes, with Scarlett Johansson's Black Widow being the only female of the entire Avengers team. Putting the spotlight on Wonder Woman would be an opportunity to both make long time comic book fans happy and possibly bring in a larger female audience.
The trick, however, is making a Wonder Woman movie or TV series that is actually worth watching. The studio has actually been trying to do something with the Amazonian warrior on the big screen for years now - famously rejecting a version by Joss Whedon - but has never been able to get anything made. On the small screen there is of course the famous Linda Carter series from the 1970s, but more recently there was the David E. Kelley version that notoriously never made it past the pilot stage.
If the upcoming Batman/Superman movie results in the creation of a larger DC Cinematic Universe that includes all of the members of the Justice League then we can certainly expect that Wonder Woman will eventually get her chance on the big screen, but when that might actually happen is a big question mark at this stage. With Green Arrow, The Flash, and now Gotham City finding a home on television now, however, could a TV series be the better way to go presently?
NYCC: Quesada, Young, Cassaday Art Caps Marvel's Gaiman/Miracleman Announcementhttp://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=48467 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=48467)
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During Marvel Comics' (http://marvel.com/) traditional Cup o' Joe panel, Chief Creative Officer Joe Quesada (http://www.comicbookresources.com/tag/joe+quesada) made the announcement people have been waiting to hear for years: Miracleman is coming.
"Miracleman #25 has been sitting in the darkness, nobody’s seen it," Neil Gaiman told a cheering New York Comic Con crowd in a taped video message. "I love the idea that it’s finally going to be seen. The writer called the project the "big, incomplete book of my life," announcing Marvel’s intention to bring the material back into print, finally finishing his and artist Mark Buckingham's story
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Superman to Asterix: Comics tell immigrant storyhttp://news.yahoo.com/superman-asterix-comics-tell-immigrant-story-081955917.html (http://news.yahoo.com/superman-asterix-comics-tell-immigrant-story-081955917.html)
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A painter works during the preparation of an exhibition on Comics and Immigration at the Museum of the History of Immigration in Paris, Monday Oct. 14, 2013. The exhibition takes place from Oct. 16 to April 27, 2014. Visible at right are two figures by French comics artist Herve Barulea, also called Baru. Tracing comic sketches and magazines from 1913 to the present day from the U.S. to France, the exhibit shows how the immigrant story -from Asterix's "foreign" Polish and Italian authors, to Superman's Eastern European creator- hugely shaped comic books, from their characters to their storylines.(AP Photo/Remy de la Mauviniere)
PARIS (AP) — Superman and Asterix have more in common than meets the eye, according to a new exhibit at Paris' Immigration History Museum.
Comic sketches and magazines from 1913 to the present show how comic books the world over were shaped by the immigrant story, from French Asterix's "foreign" Polish and Italian authors, to American Superman's Eastern European co-creators.
Drawing on 500 sketches and documents from some 117 artists, the exhibit opening Wednesday explains how immigrants on the fringes of society were attracted to the subculture of comic books.
"The whole history of comic books is the history of immigration," said curator Helene Bouillon.
Comic characters themselves are also often masked allegories for being foreign, from Asterix, the yellow-haired Gaul who fights Romans and travels around the world, to the alien Kal-El, who tries to live on earth among humans despite his super powers, the exhibit argues.
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A painting by Iranian born French comics artist and film director Marjane Satrapi
"Superman is the super immigrant. who comes from planet Krypton with super powers but who is faced with the feeling of being in exile" Bouillon said.
The exhibit also shows how the medium became more serious in the second half of the 20th century, using the medium to express uncomfortable truths about society's tolerance.
It includes original illustrations from Iran-born cartoonist Marjane Satrapi's autobiographical novel "Persepolis," which tells the bleak story of a young girl fleeing to Europe against the backdrop of the Iranian Revolution. A film based on the novel won the Jury Prize at the Cannes film festival in 2007.
"This idea of pictures being maybe simpler or being caricatures allows some authors to say things that would maybe be too awful to put in a novel or in photography," Bouillon said. "You have to make people laugh to accept the very difficult stories."
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Detail of a drawing by American comics artist Richard Felton Outcault: The Yellow Kid
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No, the best matchup would have Hellcow v. The Man-Eating Cow...
I feel like they are staring into my soul :oAlso, that's Alex Ross for you; sometimes he paints the most kick-butt comic book stuff conceivable in the entire world, but sometimes he's all wrinkled costumes, erections showing and double chins -plus the creepyness above- and it's incredibly off-putting.