Alpha Centauri 2

Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri & Alien Crossfire => Modding => Topic started by: ariete on May 06, 2013, 01:10:58 PM

Title: problems/bug using custom factions
Post by: ariete on May 06, 2013, 01:10:58 PM

playing using custom factions i've detected a kind of bug when i load and reload the same or other savegame about one or more match in progress. It always happen the custom faction i use (with or without all 8 limited bonus) self-develope +1 PLANET. It seem a conflict with the basic example custom faction Gaians. I try all combinations, put in progress just one match, make the factions with his 8 bonus limited but it happen again. Anyone have any idea? Having said i play with SMACX us version, last patch 2.0 and the no cd ''crack'' (but is not a crack) i had downloaded years ago from this site http://alphacentauri.us (http://alphacentauri.us) (i've recently look some links are now unavaible)

Title: Re: problems/bug using custom factions
Post by: Yitzi on May 06, 2013, 03:18:08 PM

I don't even understand what bug you are seeing.

Title: Re: problems/bug using custom factions
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 06, 2013, 04:04:02 PM

This sounded a little like the faction graphics bug at first, but you mention bonuses - could you explain more?

Title: Re: problems/bug using custom factions
Post by: ariete on May 06, 2013, 04:17:11 PM

sorry comunication is not my strong point (you know uncle) ... i must discover ProgPsy yet ... i retry:

When i load and reload a savegame, where i'm using a custom faction (versus other customs) it happen somethimes i found +1PLANET in social engeneering so if the faction has 0 this value change in +1, if the faction has +1 planet this value change in +2, ... often it happen when i load and reload more times a savegame in the same ''opened game interface'' but last time i found this wrong parameter in a savegame so i don't know exactly how and why it exit ... it's try to happen also when I start a new game some times with the custom faction, for example because i don't like the type of planet (in general i use scan planet view), i go in social engeneering and i found the wrong parameter. The unusual thing but stable is +1PLANET, for this reason i thinked this bug could derive from gaian which is the 'example custom faction'. I hope now it's more clear

Title: Re: problems/bug using custom factions
Post by: Yitzi on May 06, 2013, 05:37:41 PM

So when loading the game, it sometimes increases your PLANET rating by 1 when using custom factions?  Very strange...if you can provide a savegame where it happens, that may help either me or scient figure out what's going on.

Title: Re: problems/bug using custom factions
Post by: ariete on May 06, 2013, 09:13:32 PM

yes Yitzi, next i provide a savegame where it happens, i must add custom factions files or you can read just into .sav?? it may not occur when loaded on an other installation of the game, so i'm going to know if the problem resides in my game, but as i said i have anything strange on my game istallation

Title: Re: problems/bug using custom factions
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 06, 2013, 09:32:57 PM

The savegame should have the custom faction settings - they'll look Gaian, but should work as they do for you, I believe.

Title: Re: problems/bug using custom factions
Post by: Yitzi on May 06, 2013, 09:38:07 PM

Quote from: ariete on May 06, 2013, 09:13:32 PM

yes Yitzi, next i provide a savegame where it happens, i must add custom factions files or you can read just into .sav??

Whoever's doing it* is probably going to have to read the .sav anyway to figure what's going on, but you might as well provide the .txt file for the custom faction as well.

*I'm currently working on my next version of the patch, so me doing it might wait until after that, in which case Scient might get to it first.

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it may not occur when loaded on an other installation of the game, so i'm going to know if the problem resides in my game, but as i said i have anything strange on my game istallation

If it is your installation only, that'll be easy to find, at least.

Title: Re: problems/bug using custom factions
Post by: I)arkness Falls on May 07, 2013, 03:03:12 AM

Quote from: BUncle on May 06, 2013, 09:32:57 PM

The savegame should have the custom faction settings - they'll look Gaian, but should work as they do for you, I believe.

Gaian must be the default faction.

And the dedrie fans just leaped for joy...

Title: Re: problems/bug using custom factions
Post by: ariete on May 07, 2013, 10:27:43 PM

hi friends, here the savegame and txts of my custom factions. The parameters of the custom faction run correctly at the start of the game. Already i've detected the bug (+1 PLANET) i save the game.

Title: Re: problems/bug using custom factions
Post by: ariete on May 07, 2013, 10:34:07 PM

I wanted to post an image of the social engeneering screen, but this is the result when i paste the picture copied in paint
(http://alphacentauri2.info/MGalleryItem.php?id=581)
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Title: Re: problems/bug using custom factions
Post by: Nexii on May 07, 2013, 10:51:20 PM

This isn't a bug, Manifold Nexus is within your borders

Title: Re: problems/bug using custom factions
Post by: Yitzi on May 07, 2013, 10:53:47 PM

Yeah, that sometimes happens.

Anyway, I think Nexii's answer is right.

Title: Re: problems/bug using custom factions
Post by: ariete on May 07, 2013, 11:11:11 PM

ah ...  :-[

I will be careful, so it depends to that ... wrong allarm, better as this

thank you friends

if anyone interest the project and want work on the txts to more customize the sentences and something belive to do i send the pcxs to watch the graphics

(about the picture how can i copy-past a screen game, making it visible??)

Title: Re: problems/bug using custom factions
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 07, 2013, 11:30:31 PM

It should be as simple as [Prt Scr], hit the Windows key to escape the game while it's still running, and paste into Paint.

Title: Re: problems/bug using custom factions
Post by: ariete on May 07, 2013, 11:35:52 PM

ah ... the game must run ... it seem as the show must go on
... right ;)

Title: Re: problems/bug using custom factions
Post by: Yitzi on May 07, 2013, 11:49:50 PM

Quote from: BUncle on May 07, 2013, 11:30:31 PM

It should be as simple as [Prt Scr], hit the Windows key to escape the game while it's still running, and paste into Paint.

Except that because of the way the game uses graphics, it gets a bit weird: If you open Paint after starting the game, the colors will be off, and if you open it before then usually it works ok but sometimes you get something like what he just posted.

Title: Re: problems/bug using custom factions
Post by: ariete on May 08, 2013, 12:44:03 PM

always very detailed explanations and answers just as fast on this forum

before to create this topic, i had tried to serach +1 planet on google to understand why this value increased but keyword remind me in inconsistent results
with 'manifold nexus' as search keyword, suggest me by Nexii, i've can find on other forum the same question so to completed-ended the discussion i add here what i read yesterday night and i forgot to mention, certainly not for you friends but for somebody like me who didn't know this patch updating


about manifold nexus: the player whose territory includes the central tile of the Manifold Nexus gets the benefit. That could lead to some strange situations; two neighbours might repeatedly gain and lose it as a consequence of building additional bases close to the border, or one might get +1 Planet without ever having discovered it. The tile cannot be submerged, and maybe it cannot be raised either.  If playing an alien faction +1 research also.

Title: Re: problems/bug using custom factions
Post by: JarlWolf on July 12, 2013, 08:59:05 PM

Quote from: ariete on May 07, 2013, 11:11:11 PM

ah ...  :-[

I will be careful, so it depends to that ... wrong allarm, better as this

thank you friends

if anyone interest the project and want work on the txts to more customize the sentences and something belive to do i send the pcxs to watch the graphics

(about the picture how can i copy-past a screen game, making it visible??)

I can help you on that if you need be. I understand the difficulty with writing English, English is not my first language either. I'll see what I can do.


Edit: I just need to know the gist, or idea of the factions and then I can write appropriately matching names for bases and stuff.