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Title: Bill and Hillary Share Romantic Moment
Post by: Buster's Uncle on October 24, 2012, 06:09:06 PM

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Bill and Hillary Share Romantic Moment
By Dana Hughes | ABC OTUS News – Tue, Oct 23, 2012.. .


 As President Obama and Mitt Romney faced off in their final debate about foreign policy, two of America's most experienced global politicians, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and her husband former President Bill Clinton traveled on a one-day trip to Haiti. The purpose of the trip was philanthropic, but the couple left a little room for romance, reminiscing about the last time they were in the country together for their honeymoon more than 37 years ago.
 
President Clinton, jokingly thanked the secretary for inviting him to the event, an opening of an industrial park with new businesses in Northern Haiti.
 
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"Some of you know we came here on a delayed honeymoon 37 years ago in December," said the former president. "You know she's been here a lot and I started coming here before the earthquake. I've been here so much I'm sure I owe taxes to the Haitian government I have not paid. But in all those 37 years this is the first time we have been back together," he joked.
 
President Clinton congratulated the people of Haiti for their resiliency and resolve to de-centralize the country's economy and invite foreign investment.
 
When it was Secretary Clinton's turn to speak she also told the crowd that the she and her husband "fell in love" with Haiti, and that the country was special to them.
 
"As Bill told you, we came here for the first time together just after we were married and fell in love with Haiti, and have just celebrated our 37th wedding anniversary, which is exhausting to think about," said the Secretary to laughter and sustained applause. "It's been an amazing experience from start to now and we have had a deep connection to and with Haiti ever since. So it gives me a special pleasure to be here with my husband, who has worked so hard on behalf of Haiti and its development, because he believes so much in the people of Haiti and the potential that exists within each and every man, woman, boy, and girl."
 
The Clintons were joined on the trip by actors Sean Penn, Maria Bello, Ben Stiller and his wife, as well as model Petra Nemacova, fashion designer Donna Karen and Sir Richard Branson. The group opened a $300 million facility in the Caracol area of Haiti, located more than a 100 miles from the worst-hit areas of the 2010 quake zone. The hope is that the Caracol Industrial park will provide thousands of jobs to the northern part of the country, helping to transform Haiti's fragile economy.
 
The trip wasn't all sunshine, however. A producer traveling with the secretary reported some tense moments getting out of the often chaotic country. An afternoon rain storm meant that the motorcade had to race to the airport to take off before 5:30 p.m. because the runway had no lights. The press and staff vans got separated from the rest of the motorcade, forcing them to catch up, driving through narrow city streets in a manner he described as "terrifying" with on coming vehicles and donkeys being forced off the road. President Clinton rode with his wife in the motorcade, but was dropped off at his private plane before the secretary's plane, which was the largest, took off first.

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Two things, here:

1.) Bill Clinton having his honeymoon in Hati is joke-off material.

2.) I actually believe that the Clintons are in love.  Remember that 60 Minutes interview 22 years ago, when a light fell and almost hit them?  Her instinct in an unguarded shock moment was to jump up and throw her arms around her man - and she clung longer than she had to, but not long enough to have calcuated how it would look.  She may have always had additonal motivations for sticking by that sleezy piece of work, but I think she also genuinely loves him.  Go figure.

Title: Re: Bill and Hillary Share Romantic Moment
Post by: Unorthodox on October 24, 2012, 06:25:24 PM

An "open marriage" would not shock me for them. 

Title: Re: Bill and Hillary Share Romantic Moment
Post by: Buster's Uncle on October 24, 2012, 06:28:01 PM

You get the idea that she's not that big on the urges...

I'd guess that he's not authorized to have his fun, just tolerated.  One of my grampas was a hellrake, and Gramma allegedly once said "He always comes home to me."

Title: Re: Bill and Hillary Share Romantic Moment
Post by: Green1 on October 25, 2012, 01:10:03 AM

My grand dad and grandmother always slept in separate beds.

One day when I was an adult, I asked my grandfather about this before he died. After all, as a young adult it seemed sterile to not sleep with your woman.

He told me that he could not stand snoring or fighting over covers or tossing and turning. But, if he wanted some he knew where to go.

I say granddad was a wise man.

Title: Re: Bill and Hillary Share Romantic Moment
Post by: Buster's Uncle on October 25, 2012, 02:40:54 AM

That makes all the sense in the world to me.

Back in college, I swore I would never share sleeping space regularly ever again with anyone I wasn't intercoursing - and the last two girlfriends since, not to be a mysogynist, but I must have quiet and stillness to sleep well enough. 

I also need to feel safe, which wasn't a given with one of them.  Beautiful girl, but she weren't right.

Title: Re: Bill and Hillary Share Romantic Moment
Post by: Unorthodox on October 25, 2012, 03:32:29 AM

Half the nights, hEt's not home (works graves at the hospital).  I tend to sleep better with her here.  :shrug:

I know my grandpa cheated on gramma during the war.  (WWII)  He was never completely forgiven, but it would have been WRONG to have a divorce.

My parents...well, um...let's see.  Dad was gone for weeks/months at a time staying in railroad towns with "room service" available, and shockingly my younger brother is blonde haired blue eyed...There's no secrets with either of them. 

Then, my 16th birthday was spent in a prostitute museum (yes such a thing exists) featuring prophylactic methods of the 1800s...Course, what do you expect from a mom who had pinups framed around the house, and would regularly hand us centerfolds asking which would make better characters for her smut novels, not to mention proof reading said novels. 

Title: Re: Bill and Hillary Share Romantic Moment
Post by: Buster's Uncle on October 25, 2012, 03:47:34 AM

Huh.  Your past never ceases to amaze. 

Were her smut novels good?  She make money?

Title: Re: Bill and Hillary Share Romantic Moment
Post by: Unorthodox on October 25, 2012, 04:52:19 AM

No.  Well to be honest I've nothing to reference them against.  Haven't read anyone else's.  Might just not be my cup of tea.   ;lol

Poetry and uh, whatever you call magazine articles are where she's made money.  She still has a few out seeking publishers though.  The nature of the market changed from the 80's though.  She's saving to have a couple edited (used to be the publishers paid for that).

Title: Re: Bill and Hillary Share Romantic Moment
Post by: Buster's Uncle on October 25, 2012, 04:55:34 AM

Honestly, I'd expect talent from a mother of yours...  You so get it about such a range of creative things...

Title: Re: Bill and Hillary Share Romantic Moment
Post by: Unorthodox on October 25, 2012, 05:07:16 AM

She's a good poet, if in a style I don't particularly care for. 

For the record, I was published first, and it really annoys her.  Mostly because she didn't TRY to get poetry published for a good long time, but still.  (I never pursued it further, as I stopped being depressed, and happy poetry sucks)

Title: Re: Bill and Hillary Share Romantic Moment
Post by: Buster's Uncle on October 25, 2012, 05:12:23 AM

I only DO poetry when I'm down.   My insane college years were filled with blank verse, some of which wasn't horrible

Title: Re: Bill and Hillary Share Romantic Moment
Post by: Unorthodox on October 25, 2012, 05:13:49 AM

Most mine was Highschool, the suicidal years...

Being manic-depressive mom has a constant source of material. 

Title: Re: Bill and Hillary Share Romantic Moment
Post by: Buster's Uncle on October 25, 2012, 05:25:01 AM

I was tentatively diagnosed back then as bipolar, but when I observed to my therapist last year that I was probably really just a depressive with a weakness for instinctively self-medicating with stimulants, she agreed.  [shrugs]  I actually was more creatively productive when I was depressed than manic back then - I'm probably closer to a true bipolar now, though it's much less of a problem.  But then, I only went through my first apathetic depression this year (when anyone in my shoes would be very down for a long time).  The old kind were a lot more dangerous, and I mostly love the new-millenum-brand manic spells like the one I'm going through right now.

Title: Re: Bill and Hillary Share Romantic Moment
Post by: Green1 on October 25, 2012, 05:30:35 AM

diagnosed? [fuddle-duddle] that! We have talent! Do not accept "labels" because some dude with a silver spoon could test well. Reject labels!

Title: Re: Bill and Hillary Share Romantic Moment
Post by: Buster's Uncle on October 25, 2012, 05:38:28 AM

Dude, I had a problem.  My respect for psycholgy as a science is not enormous, but I was suicidal a lot, and it was conforting to have a handle on it.  My afflictions are part of what I am, but I need not pretend that they make me better in some worthwhile way.  Somewhere in the middle is healthiest and best.

-The manic spells I've had a few times since early 2009 have no real downside other than not sleeping enough, admittedly, last a long time and no longer inevitably lead to crashes - I have to give you that.

(I had the crappiest manic spells in college; I'd be up for about one evening, feel out of control of myself and get nothing done, piss people around me off, and then crash and want to kill myself for about two weeks at a stretch.)

Title: Re: Bill and Hillary Share Romantic Moment
Post by: Green1 on October 25, 2012, 07:09:19 AM

As a psych tech, I have problem with labels and what "society" expects. Many of our greatests geniuses in history had this same issue. It is a sad thing that current "systems" weed out folks because "autonomy" and "initiative" are too desirable of traits. That, and the man wants you to be there on time. Of course, there are meds. But, you sacrifice the manic state of creativity for a dull existance.

Title: Re: Bill and Hillary Share Romantic Moment
Post by: Green1 on October 25, 2012, 07:13:40 AM

Which... by all means... do NOT abruptly stop taking psych meds... that can SUCK and lead you to folks like me. BUT... always ask a doctor if it is possible to eventually get off these horrible meds....

Title: Re: Bill and Hillary Share Romantic Moment
Post by: Buster's Uncle on October 25, 2012, 12:46:38 PM

No meds.  I've always coped with it the hard way.

Title: Re: Bill and Hillary Share Romantic Moment
Post by: Unorthodox on October 25, 2012, 01:03:34 PM

Mom's got a hell of a lot better after the hysterectomy.  Or maybe it's the hormone therapy side effect.  She's more apathetic depressed than murderous depressed.  Miracle we kids survived.  My claustrophobia is a direct response to her tendency to suffocate us till we passed out...I was the preferred target even back then.  Though, we all got the various household items broken over our heads. 

Real fun when she was studying how to dispose of bodies "for a story she was writing". 

Title: Re: Bill and Hillary Share Romantic Moment
Post by: Buster's Uncle on October 25, 2012, 01:10:57 PM

Yeah, and apathetic depressed isn't as bad to suffer from, in my experience though I imagine it's a lot more prone to last.  Being angry is so tiring.

To the exent she has any control of/influence on her condition, try to get her to read The Tao of Pooh.  Those ideas are just the thing for a mood disorder case coping optimally.

Title: Re: Bill and Hillary Share Romantic Moment
Post by: Green1 on October 25, 2012, 03:32:31 PM

On that note, since this is going WAY off topic, if a doctor is needed, stick with one that actually talk with patients. One of the things that really pisses me off about psych is that you have two tons of these docs that just give a questionaire and read nurse's notes then just write scripts. All fine and good if you just want drugs, but it does not get anyone better.

Excersise and sunlight do wonders. I think the vast majority of folks that end up on ward (barring incurable issues like Schitzophrenia, mental retardation, and various dementias) could have avoided that though wieghtlifting, biking, or yoga. The best doc I have ever worked with said if he could put it in a pill, he would. But the docs would not make money that way. Big Medicine WANTS you to have to pay to be "normal" for the rest of your life. Plus, it would step on the toes of the occupational therapists who will not do crud unless you got medicaid/medicare part B or damn good insurance. I say be active and be happy. Easier said than done for us computer nerds who love sitting for hours staring at units on a screen and playing armchair emporer.

Uno, reading is great, but get your mom into a yoga class or something. Even if she is obese, i have seen yoga do wonders for the mind and body for many folks.

Title: Re: Bill and Hillary Share Romantic Moment
Post by: Buster's Uncle on October 25, 2012, 03:39:46 PM

It sounds like she's got serious chemical thing going that good health won't help much - he wasn't kidding about her breaking things over heads.

And you know, you're talking perfectly good sense about exercise being a treatment -- for a condition that inherently sabotages any attempt by sufferers to help themselves.  I knew that about exersise.  I've always known.  I still have even more trouble starting it and keeping it up than I would if my moods were more even -which is considerable trouble, or everyone would be exercising to be pretty and healthy and live a long time.

Title: Re: Bill and Hillary Share Romantic Moment
Post by: Green1 on October 25, 2012, 03:58:17 PM

For violent folks, the first thing you have to do is medicate them temporarily so they will be more pliable to retraining. You establish pain to that nueral pathway to block it off. Usually, the wiring towards inappropriate behavor is reinforced where according to that persons viewpoint, it is perfectly fine even though in reality it is not.

Consider a behavior, or in this case, a habit, like a thread. Alone, a thread breaks because nothing supports it. Wrap hundreds of threads around each other, you have a habit. Thousands of threads, you have a literal rope - or character. There are good ropes and nasty ones.

Excersise actually produces chemicals if you can get over the initial soreness and the fact you do not have enough "threads" wrapped towards that behavior. Once it gets rolling, though, you will not be able to stop!

Uno's mom I would imagine is an elder. One thing to watch for is there is a dementia called Lewey Body Dementia, related to the infamous Alzhiemers that folks get very irrational and violent in the early stages. No cure, either. In every major city there are wards with hundreds of these folks being fed and made sure they do not hurt themselves until they die.

Title: Re: Bill and Hillary Share Romantic Moment
Post by: Unorthodox on October 25, 2012, 04:01:10 PM

What's going to be 'interesting' is when grandma dies (any day now, 98 cancer not being treated on purpose).  Otherwise they have mom dialed in and stable with whatever hormones from her wierdo disease (physical one).  Or maybe she's just better with no kids at home.

Title: Re: Bill and Hillary Share Romantic Moment
Post by: Buster's Uncle on October 25, 2012, 04:05:58 PM

Have you ever been able to take any steps to secure whatever's left of your inheritance from her?  -You know your folks will continue to throw away before they let you have...

And Green, I've sustained weightlifting, my exercise of choice, for up to a year-and-a-half straight in the last decade - it never takes forever, despite what you say.  I look great, feel great, I'm happy I'm doing it - but something happens to break the routine, and getting restarted takes forever, if then.