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Title: SpaceX rocket delivers for NASA, but satellite owner unlucky because of glitch
Post by: Buster's Uncle on October 09, 2012, 06:33:40 PM
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SpaceX rocket delivers for NASA, but commercial satellite owner not so lucky because of glitch
By Seth Borenstein, The Associated Press | Associated Press – 18 hrs ago.. .


WASHINGTON - A private rocket successfully sent a capsule full of cargo zipping toward the International Space Station in a first of its kind delivery for NASA, but couldn't deliver on job No. 2: putting a commercial satellite into the correct orbit.

One of nine engines on Space X company's Falcon 9 rocket failed Sunday 79 seconds after launch because of a pressure loss. The engine didn't explode, but it did start a series of events that meant another company's private satellite is not in the place it is needed.

The main mission for the Falcon launch — delivering half a ton of science and food supplies toward the space station — is still on track with a docking of the cargo-laden Dragon capsule scheduled for Wednesday. SpaceX on Monday said the ship's flight computer calculated a new path to the station for the capsule. It is the first of a dozen supply runs under a mega-contract with NASA.

"Falcon 9 did exactly what it was designed to do," the California based SpaceX said. "Like the Saturn V, which experienced engine loss on two flights, Falcon 9 is designed to handle an engine out situation and still complete its mission."

But not all of its mission.

The original plan was for Falcon to fire its second stage engines after Dragon left and then deploy an industrial communications satellite into orbit for Orbcomm of Dulles, Va.

Because this is a new resupply ship for the space station, NASA and its international partners had set detailed safety rules in advance for Falcon, even though the engine failure was far from the station. And those rules prevent SpaceX from firing its second stage engines, Orbcomm said in a statement.

The satellite is in a lower orbit and engineers are trying to figure out how to boost it, Orbcomm said.

This was the first of 18 satellites that Orbcomm had hired SpaceX to deliver. The satellites help in two-way communications for companies to track their heavy equipment across the world. The company wouldn't respond to questions about the cost of the satellite or launch services.

Harvard University astronomer Jonathan McDowell, who tracks launches worldwide, noticed the problem for hours before either company acknowledged that the satellite was in the wrong orbit. Even though SpaceX was congratulating itself after the launch, McDowell said: "We can't say that it was a perfect launch."
http://news.yahoo.com/spacex-rocket-delivers-nasa-commercial-satellite-owner-not-222210213.html (http://news.yahoo.com/spacex-rocket-delivers-nasa-commercial-satellite-owner-not-222210213.html)
Title: Re: SpaceX rocket delivers for NASA, but satellite owner unlucky because of glitch
Post by: Unorthodox on October 09, 2012, 09:34:23 PM
So it COULD make the orbit, but NASA wouldn't let them? 


Title: Re: SpaceX rocket delivers for NASA, but satellite owner unlucky because of glitch
Post by: Buster's Uncle on October 09, 2012, 09:38:32 PM
You know how touchy the international stuff can be.

-It's certainly a good argument in favor of the Falcon, though.
Title: Re: SpaceX rocket delivers for NASA, but satellite owner unlucky because of glitch
Post by: Green1 on October 10, 2012, 04:07:52 AM
Something told me that would happen. Phobos-Grunt anyone? The more stuff you try to do at once, the more stuff can go wrong.

If I wanted that sattelite up, I would want just MY sattellite. Not my sattellite plus what NAySAy wanted up.

Shame on the company exec that was sold on this by some SpaceX salesman.
Title: Re: SpaceX rocket delivers for NASA, but satellite owner unlucky because of glitch
Post by: Buster's Uncle on October 10, 2012, 04:10:31 AM
Good point.
Title: Re: SpaceX rocket delivers for NASA, but satellite owner unlucky because of glitch
Post by: Unorthodox on October 10, 2012, 05:27:54 AM
Something told me that would happen. Phobos-Grunt anyone? The more stuff you try to do at once, the more stuff can go wrong.

If I wanted that sattelite up, I would want just MY sattellite. Not my sattellite plus what NAySAy wanted up.

Shame on the company exec that was sold on this by some SpaceX salesman.

I'm guessing they couldn't afford a solo flight, and it's gotta be cheap to piggy back on a capsule launch. 
Title: Re: SpaceX rocket delivers for NASA, but satellite owner unlucky because of glitch
Post by: Green1 on October 10, 2012, 05:53:56 AM
Yeah, uno, but the sattelite launch market is that you can get your sattellite launched from maybe a dozen companies worldwide without having to play second fiddle to COTS money.

SpaceX fails a sattelite.. oh well...

SpaceX fails to go to ISS... hell to pay...
Title: Re: SpaceX rocket delivers for NASA, but satellite owner unlucky because of glitch
Post by: Green1 on October 10, 2012, 05:57:18 AM
Remember, COTS money is substantial. It is a large part of space budget under Obama. SpaceX has the largest chunk and is the ONLY one on pad at the cape.
Title: Re: SpaceX rocket delivers for NASA, but satellite owner unlucky because of glitch
Post by: Unorthodox on October 10, 2012, 09:31:17 PM
You underestimate the costs of these other companies, and this is a TINY 310lb satelite.  You just don't hire a dedicated launch for that when it's next to NOTHING on the Falcon 9's capacity. 

In fact, Orbital (Orbcomm is a subsidiary) has their own launch craft (the Pegasus) that could have put this (up to 400 lb capacity) in orbit, and decided to outsource it to SpaceX instead.  It's probably cheaper for them to build another couple satellites than launch them themselves.   
Title: Re: SpaceX rocket delivers for NASA, but satellite owner unlucky because of glitch
Post by: Buster's Uncle on October 10, 2012, 09:50:08 PM
Green, please keep engaging Uno, but know that IRL he's a rocket scientist in a closely-related field, and really knows whereof he speaks.  I love getting the word from someone who knows.
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