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Title: Art or not?
Post by: Unorthodox on March 29, 2016, 01:50:45 PM

You can vote for two. 

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-UESlnw5i9WA/VUgZ38vIEII/AAAAAAAAdbc/AvaIT3wycK45mWxanY_Za_sg6FoLXFscgCCo/s800-Ic42/IMG_0074.JPG)


Because, apparently it's an issue. 

http://www.cityweekly.net/TheDailyFeed/archives/2016/03/28/utahcom-insert-is-modern-art-a-joke (http://www.cityweekly.net/TheDailyFeed/archives/2016/03/28/utahcom-insert-is-modern-art-a-joke)

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Some guy with a tractor dumps a million tons of basalt in some cutesy circle in the middle of nowhere, and we're all supposed to, what? Clap, or something? ... Go at sunset and watch a pink sun sink into a raspberry-lemonade inland sea, experiencing the marrow of what it means to be human? Pshaw, your kid could do that. Well, if your kid had a tractor, which he will never have, because you don't want him to become a modern artist.

Title: Re: Art or not?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 29, 2016, 02:11:09 PM

Not enough info here to comment very intelligently - except to observe that many things are improved by a hot chick.

Title: Re: Art or not?
Post by: Unorthodox on March 29, 2016, 03:57:31 PM

What would you like info on?  I wrote about it last year...let me see if I can find the link. 

Title: Re: Art or not?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 29, 2016, 03:58:25 PM

Well - was it intended as art for one thing...

Title: Re: Art or not?
Post by: Unorthodox on March 29, 2016, 04:22:27 PM

Quote from: BUncle on March 29, 2016, 03:58:25 PM

Well - was it intended as art for one thing...

Yep:

http://www.diaart.org/sites/main/spiraljetty (http://www.diaart.org/sites/main/spiraljetty)

Our visit last year:
http://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?topic=1295.msg71896#msg71896 (http://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?topic=1295.msg71896#msg71896)

Title: Re: Art or not?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 29, 2016, 04:31:31 PM

Well, it doesn't make it sophisticated art or great art, necessarily, but I think artistic intention does make something art - otherwise Roy Lichtenstein is nothing but a thief.

If I drew a spiral on paper, we might argue about how good it was, but not whether it was some sort of art...

Title: Re: Art or not?
Post by: Rusty Edge on March 29, 2016, 08:03:51 PM

Does it make the transitory permanent? Does it interact with our memories, emotions and imaginations to produce beauty and truth in our hearts and minds?

An artist without admirers is like a king without a kingdom, just wishful thinking.

To me, somebody just contaminated the salt with rocks.

On the other hand... Any photo with a redheaded woman, even an elective redhead, probably qualifies. There's a Tabernacle in the Washington DC area. It was framed by a railroad bridge as viewed from the beltway. Somebody climbed up on the bridge and painted the words "Surrender Dorothy". That's concept art. Now if this spiral were made out of yellow paving bricks and pointed in the direction of the Tabernacle...

Title: Re: Art or not?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 29, 2016, 08:15:48 PM

Nice ideas.

I dunno, though; it inspired Uno to make a thread asking - it inspired him to add a cute redhead and do photography art.  Inspirational is one of those qualities at issue, after all.

And your points speak more to whether it's any good, not whether someone went to trouble to craft a decorative thing - god or not, it is that.

Title: Re: Art or not?
Post by: Rusty Edge on March 29, 2016, 08:48:40 PM

Well, I think there's some threshold of success or failure. My intent to make the lawn sprinkler system functional again doesn't make it so.

An intent to cook doesn't make something edible, or even safe.

An intent to make music doesn't necessarily put sounds on the safe side of the threshold of pain. Sure, the intent factors into the responsibility for damages.

Where there is intent without success, I think it's more like experimentation or practice and exercise than art.

Title: Re: Art or not?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 29, 2016, 08:58:07 PM

That's still a whether or not it's any good argument.  The lawnmover either gets fixed or not - it's not a matter of opinion.  Art is, and a much more nebulous thing.  For what it's worth, I kinda like the spiral.

Title: Re: Art or not?
Post by: Unorthodox on March 29, 2016, 10:04:55 PM

I'm not sure what I build would classify as "art", either, to be honest. 

A couple of pieces I SPECIFICALLY designed to appeal to the larger population, maybe.  But, most of it is just crap I want to do, let others see it how they want. 

Title: Re: Art or not?
Post by: Rusty Edge on March 30, 2016, 12:25:30 AM

Quote from: BUncle on March 29, 2016, 08:58:07 PM

That's still a whether or not it's any good argument.  The lawnmover either gets fixed or not - it's not a matter of opinion.  Art is, and a much more nebulous thing.  For what it's worth, I kinda like the spiral.

To my way of thinking, it doesn't have to speak to me personally to qualify as art. If it speaks to others it meets my threshold. Then we can argue about how good it is... but as you know, I'd really rather not argue on the internet. I usually regret it.

Title: Re: Art or not?
Post by: Lorizael on March 30, 2016, 01:16:42 AM

I am extraordinarily well qualified to determine whether or not I think a piece of art is crap. I'm not sure I'm at all qualified to determine whether or not a piece is art.

Title: Re: Art or not?
Post by: Valka on March 31, 2016, 06:43:22 AM

It's not art unless it's meant as a future location for a Doctor Who episode.

Title: Re: Art or not?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 31, 2016, 02:03:46 PM

It DOES totally look like a future location for a Doctor Who episode.

Title: Re: Art or not?
Post by: Unorthodox on March 31, 2016, 03:02:55 PM

Windy location.  Potentially smelly.  Potentially underwater (though it should be safe another year).  REALLY in the middle of nowhere.  (about 2 hours drive to anything substantially like civilization).  I imagine filming there would be challenging, but not impossible.  Recommend spring, lest you also add Buggy to the list. 

Title: Re: Art or not?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 31, 2016, 03:06:47 PM

Does hEt know she's winning the poll over the art or not options?

Title: Re: Art or not?
Post by: Unorthodox on March 31, 2016, 03:12:47 PM

Probably not. 

Title: Re: Art or not?
Post by: Dio on March 31, 2016, 04:38:52 PM

I often prefer the majority of my women to have natural hair colors. The women in the photograph does not have a natural hair color.

Title: Re: Art or not?
Post by: Valka on March 31, 2016, 05:42:43 PM

^ How many women do you own, and what percentage are allowed to have fake hair color?

Title: Re: Art or not?
Post by: Rusty Edge on March 31, 2016, 06:01:52 PM

Quote from: Valka on March 31, 2016, 06:43:22 AM

It's not art unless it's meant as a future location for a Doctor Who episode.

If there's a petrified hand with a ring on it, don't pick it up!

Title: Re: Art or not?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 31, 2016, 06:17:21 PM

Eldrad MUST live!

;nod

Title: Re: Art or not?
Post by: Unorthodox on March 31, 2016, 06:23:28 PM

Quote from: Dio on March 31, 2016, 04:38:52 PM

I often prefer the majority of my women to have natural hair colors. The women in the photograph does not have a natural hair color.

Well, I do keep asking her to dye it black and dress up as the Baroness from GI Joe...

But, it's more important she has fun with the hair.  I'm pretty sure the red was in direct response to her work telling employees they had to have "natural hair colors" too.   ;lol

Title: Re: Art or not?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 31, 2016, 06:26:04 PM

Here, Uno:

Title: Re: Art or not?
Post by: Rusty Edge on March 31, 2016, 07:00:31 PM

Quote from: BUncle on March 31, 2016, 06:17:21 PM

Eldrad MUST live!

;nod

Because he MUST!

That episode was my personal favorite. I loved Sarah Jane in her "Andy Pandy" outfit. Also the horrific realization that the entire planet committed suicide, rather than risk Eldrad returning from the dead.

Title: Re: Art or not?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 31, 2016, 07:15:13 PM

EVERYbody loved her in those striped overalls...