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Community => Council Room => Topic started by: Vishniac on September 19, 2015, 12:12:15 PM

Title: I wish I had more people to talk crap
Post by: Vishniac on September 19, 2015, 12:12:15 PM

Discussion split from there :
http://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?topic=16649.210#quickreply (http://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?topic=16649.210#quickreply)
Following this :

Quote from: BUncle on August 25, 2015, 08:36:25 PM

Let me underline that: the only opinion you express in Rec Commons is that my opinions suck.  That's seriously butthole behavior.

GO. AWAY.

Quote from: BUncle on August 25, 2015, 11:48:50 PM

Look; don't play that reactionary game with me.  It's not about you being wrong; it's about you being a jerk to me every time you post in this folder - instead of bothering to actually contribute anything of substance.

You need to check your manners, sir.

There's a term forum people use to refer to members who only neg.  We've been over and over this in the Star Trek thread repeatedly, and you got nothing to say about what you like or why you like it - just drive-bys to criticize another member's expression of opinion.

[admin hat] Get in the habit of expressing your own positive opinions, how and why you are in favor of/ like something in  in some small detail, to balance out the bad-mouthing.  That is how a healthy community works.  You do not add content in here; you only complain.  That must stop.

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-Gentlemen, I've asked both of you to cool it with the offending behaviors many times.  I advise you think very carefully before you make that next Rec Commons post.

Incidentally, publically-announced site policy is that rules-lawyering compounds the offense. [/admin hat]

So, for those who didn’t follow:
-   I am a jerk because I like Star Trek movies from the 80s and 90s and Buncle doesn’t
-   I am a troll (implicitly) because I don’t think Dune by Lynch is a terrible movie
-   I am a butthole because I question the repeated use of “Nazis” in capital in an opening post.
That was irritating enough to be threatened of get banned for this but then:
http://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?topic=16649.375 (http://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?topic=16649.375)

Quote from: BUncle on September 13, 2015, 04:22:30 PM

...Cheney in particular did actual entry-level fascism while in power- but Godwin and Vishniac, y'know?...

Wow: 11 pages after my last post in the thread, after calling me names, you’re calling my name to make fun. Well, fine, you gave me incentive to see behind the doors and expose you for who you are. Let’s see!

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it's about you being a jerk to me every time you post in this folder

Talk about being paranoid! Everybody with time to lose can just search and read my posts. I’m a jerk to you when I talk about my holidays? I’m a jerk to you when I invite another forum member to visit a city near my home?
I am here because of SMAC, nothing else. I’m not here because I don’t have a life or am looking for friends; if we’re going to spread our credentials like in a schoolyard, I was in ACDG3 at Poly, then I played MP and some GotM at WPC and was the one bearing your DG, and here I still play MP and GotMs. I very rarely venture inside the Rec Commons, the place where you open threads like they are candies and where you force-feed your opinions on others. Your attitude and your presence is precisely why I don’t want to post on Rec Commons because you can’t take any disagreeing opinion without going crazy with your “admin hat” .

You have an obsession with Star Trek. Fine!
I found comical or caricatural the way you’re repeating yourself over tens of pages about “fake Trek”, about your hate of everything Star Trek beyond 1980, be there movies, actors or series. I only watched some TOS episodes 35 years ago and I like to see reruns of the movies when they air on TV, nothing else; I’ve nothing to do with your obsession nor do I know the third of what you’re talking about since I never had a chance to watch NG, Voyager, DS9… I’ll probably buy them one day in a full DVD-pack, and I’ll probably be entertained just as with Star Trek Generations. It’s usually to the one who dislike to say why, otherwise you’re just spoiling fun for people who like: tastes and colors, we say in French, is a personal matter. Keep saying only idiots could like this or that and these idiots won’t show anymore here!
Some ironical and incredulous posts about STG earned me your eternal hate… That says more about you than about me.

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That's seriously butthole behavior.

It’s very classy, Buncle!
I never insulted you, never went into personal attacks because, for me, these were only casual talks of no importance at all. If you’re going mad about a simple remark, you should avoid talking politics.
Besides, YOU are the one enforcing some particularly strict profanity filter on this forum, saying your mother should be able to read it without cringing. Well, would she have condoned you for calling me a butthole or would she have washed your mouth with soap?
As for turning the profanity filter and insulting every public figure in sight, you seem to be a champion:

Quote from: BUncle on August 26, 2015, 03:26:38 PM

Precious few voted for the monkey...in the 2000 election.

Quote from: BUncle on September 11, 2015, 04:45:42 AM

-When McCain went desperate hooker

Quote from: BUncle on September 04, 2015, 03:56:03 AM

No, I want the Pig banned from public...

Quote from: BUncle on August 26, 2015, 04:19:00 PM

Ask that sleezbag Murdock.

Quote from: BUncle on September 17, 2015, 01:45:04 AM

...South Carolina Senator and closet homosexual Lindsey Graham
I think Graham is a chimp...

The animal reign is vast, you still have some names to use. Next time, what about: dog, worm, cockroach, maggot…
Not that I care much for all these gentlemen, being the Atlantic away, but in a country where half-population vote Republican I wonder how many people won’t post again because you’re insulting them by insulting their views and who they vote for. Always funny to see that you’re at the same time the most prolific poster, the most aggressive and the co-administrator. And after that, you complain few people contribute:

Quote from: BUncle on September 23, 2012, 04:07:31 AM

We've got a real opportunity here; this is the first forum I'm aware of BY SMACers For SMACers, without all the outside stuff getting in the way.  That's a thing worth nurturing, if you ask me.

…  Much of our reason to be here is to socialize and be entertained by one another.  Well, someone has to go first; I'm looking at YOU.

…  We need fun, thoughtful people to joke with in Rec Commons and science-oriented people posting articles/commenting in the science forums.  (We need more Americans, 'cause it gets real slow on here in my evenings, between the Euros going to bed and the Aussies waking up.)  …  We need active people, and we need to bring in more of them.

We need YOU.

Just pitch in however you can; make that extra little effort, because we we're greater as a group than as individuals.  Try, please.  Make that comment.  Post that faction, story, art, ect.  Get in on that MP game.   Send those acquaintances a link to the forum.  Post to entertain me, and I'll do the same.  Let make a lot of friends here, and make the most active AC forum in the world 10 times busier.

We can do it.

http://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?topic=2293.0#quickreply (http://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?topic=2293.0#quickreply)
Keep going insulting your contradictors, insulting politicians, insulting even sci-fi works and no wonder we have 11’500 members and only 6 or 7 active in the Command Nexus.
Checking my manners, uh?
And the fact is, you’ve been at it for a long time. I wasn’t so interested about SMAC-infighting but you made me so I dug to see better. You seem to be the one who can’t get along with anybody, you even acknowledge it yourself:

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NerdWars(tm) in the SMAC(X) community have driven away a lot of innocent bystanders who have gotten caught up/disgusted/etc., in addition to the direct participants who have left/ostracized themselves/whatever. The most guilty, themselves, are major losses of talent to the community. The loss of those casualties , innocent or otherwise, the on-going refusal of certain people to talk or work together, brought us here to this lonely place, and are maybe the biggest single thing we're up against.

I've been a major star in the NerdWars(tm) myself, and no matter how I still think I was wronged, I am ashamed of my involvement and the collateral damage. I don't like to admit it, but the amends can't begin without some confession/contrition. I am ashamed, and I apologize to all the innocent for my part in things.

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So what can we do to heal the community? I'd like to see my "enemies" come back and apply their wonderful talents to this forum. I'd like to forget the past - at the very least, be at peace, on speaking terms, and willing to engage in inter-forum cooperation. I'd like to go back to making the occasional post at the other AC forums - a rising tide and all that.

This isn't my personal desire talking, but my duty to the community I cherish so and helped to harm. My NerdWars(tm) are over. Let's have peace and healing. Let's pull together and make the community great, like it was a few years ago.

I invite comment and any help I can get in this.

http://www.weplayciv.com/forums/showthread.php?6378-Missing-Some-Old-Friends-And-Hoping-for-New-Ones&highlight=nerdwars (http://www.weplayciv.com/forums/showthread.php?6378-Missing-Some-Old-Friends-And-Hoping-for-New-Ones&highlight=nerdwars)
Yes, I can easily understand how you helped break the SMAC community by your behavior just by seeing you in action here. And that post was on WPC who got abandoned too, I don’t know why. But this clue tells me it’s been the same:

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Forum politics created this place, and forum politics destroyed it.

Live by the fungus, die by the fungus....

http://www.weplayciv.com/forums/showthread.php?7411-Is-there-life-on-here (http://www.weplayciv.com/forums/showthread.php?7411-Is-there-life-on-here)
Forum politics, off-topic feuds, personal animosities. You live by them, Buncle.
You love to appear like a victim, someone of goodwill, ready to help and wanting to reunite a community but your acts say different. In SMAC, you would be the self-righteous Brother Lal, always talking of peace and of the disaster of the mission division but eager to go to war or threaten as soon as he gets some power.
And others who know you tell it like it is:

Quote from: Dale on July 23, 2015, 08:02:37 AM

"Trolling other members, abusing 'POWAS' and being called out on hypocracy is NOT acceptable...... unless you are BUncle."

even when they don’t want to push the matter because more damage would be done for SMAC players.
You’re even everywhere on other SMAC forums, replying every question even when you don’t have the exact answer; you crave attention and having ‘your own’ forum (don’t forget to thank Sisko, uh!) is not enough.
You know where the title of this thread came from, don’t you?

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I wish I had more people to talk crap in our OT, though.

http://www.weplayciv.com/forums/showthread.php?8463-Building-Activity (http://www.weplayciv.com/forums/showthread.php?8463-Building-Activity)
But when the crap hits the fan, you’re so full of the so-called forum rules that you enforce as you see fit while breaking them at each corner.


So, that’s it!
See: no insults here, just facts and quotes, mostly your own. But you won’t stand it, right? And I could have been much meaner if I wanted, because it’s so easy with you, always talking about your life and personals, but I’m not so low and, frankly, I don’t even understand why you throw such a tantrum but you stepped on my feet and smiled and I never back from a good fight if it lands on me.
Now, erase all this, wield your banning hammer pretending you’re Mighty Thor if that can make you feel happy and don’t cross my road on CFC when I’ll post there! Or I’ll restrict myself to the Command Nexus and let you talk ad nauseam of pigs and monkeys and nazis in your beloved Rec Commons.

I let you here, watching you so self-satisfied that you’ll be the smartest man on the cinder:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GGO9sK2XfY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GGO9sK2XfY)

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If you want to make a topic of general concern regarding the community, the forums, the mods or the admins, feel free. Just keep it focused and try to provide at least some kind of reasonable solution.

Thanks!
sisko

Aah, seems like I was on subject here.
Reasonable solution: dissociate the functions of administrator, moderator and don’t let one of them being main poster. One can’t always be judge and jury, especially when he’s highly partisan on many subjects.

Title: Re: I wish I had more people to talk crap
Post by: BU Admin on September 19, 2015, 02:15:12 PM

This is the same behavior I warned against.  That's harassment.

I'm not going to deal with this first thing.  24 hours.

Title: Re: I wish I had more people to talk crap
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 19, 2015, 04:23:13 PM

Note: I informed sisko about this incident, and he's been by to have a look.

I am not the sole owner, and I treat him as more-or-less the boss of me, because I know perfectly well what I am.  Unfortunately, there's only me doing all the work of running and maintaining this forum north of 90% of the time -more, when it comes to people management.  Appealing to sisko and trying to get him to talk me down is always appropriate; doubling down on previous attacks is always a bad idea.



When I was put in the position of issuing my first ban, I literally thought to myself "If I don't step on this right now, there's no end to it."  I thought the same before issuing my third ban, and I thought the same this morning.  There's just no one else to do it.  I wouldn't allow, say for example, Green1 to be harassed like this.  My nerdbadge neither grants me license to do as I please when I please, nor grants anyone else license to abuse me in ways I wouldn't allow towards another member.  There's ways to try to work out issues with another member, and the above is not it, being especially beyond the pale in the face of explicit official warning.

It is frustrating to have expressed one's self clearly and see it fail to sink in.  I once, a very long time ago on another site, responded to an apology with "Apology not accepted - none needed."  Lord Lord, did the "none needed" ever fail to sink in.  I never heard the end of having the first half thrown in my face like I hadn't said "none needed" right there on the page in front of everyone, spelled right and everything.  This is the world I have to live in, with such people in it.

Attack the ideas, if you must, not the person expressing them, and be civil when you do - actual politeness is even better.  Doing nothing but attacking is not welcome in this community.  Doing nothing but attacking is trolling.

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2/18/16

I don't like disappearing things, and it's hard to know how to respond to an ugly, irresponsible at best, stalky attack like the OP - but the way the world works, unfortunately, is that some people will read the thing and take me not dignifying it with a denial as some sort of admission.

Well, okay then; I see something up there about an exchange over the Dune movie that searching indicates only happened in Vishniac's imagination.  I see a quote of what I said about Godwin and Vishniac -an admission that the calling Nazis Nazis I'm prone to was indeed poor form- taken as mockery.

Oh please.  Days spent stalking my posts to mine for quotes, but no evidence of a second spent understanding a single word I said in any of them.  I'd be ashamed of myself if I put so much time and hate into an attack piece - doubly so if I did such a bad job.

A quote pulled from a years-old thread at another forum -darn right he doesn't know why I left- wherein I advocated an end to the eternal flame wars being used to flame me?  -Really?

Really?

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Locked and done.