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Title: Mass Media's influence in political campaigning and other disgusting acts
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 26, 2015, 03:52:16 PM
A bunch of relevant quotes from the US Presidential Contenders thread, to make more sense of the conversation (if I got the quotes copied in the right order).  -There's more previous relevant in that thread, but enough extra work as it is.

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Fox News Unleashes Angry Anchors on ‘Totally Out of Control’ Donald [Sleezebag]
The Wrap
Jordan Chariton  August‎ ‎25‎, ‎2015


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Fox News Channel unleashed its anchors on Tuesday to fight back against Donald [Sleezebag]’s renewed criticisms of star anchor Megyn Kelly.

“He is totally out of bounds reigniting that fight,” Fox & Friends host Brian Kilmeade said on Tuesday’s show.”I don’t know if he expects to get ratings out of that, or poll numbers, but he’s not going to be successful. “You can not, you should not, keep going after her.”

Kilmeade also called [Sleezebag] “totally out of control” (probably a comment that won’t help keep [Sleezebag] as a regular phone guest on the morning show).

Sean Hannity, Geraldo Rivera, Bret Baier, Bill Hemmer and Dana Perino took to Twitter to directly and indirectly tell [Sleezebag] to cool it with the Kelly attacks.


[Sleezebag] live-tweeted during “The Kelly File” on Monday night, criticizing the Fox star, who had just returned from vacation. He also retweeted tweets that called her a “bimbo.”


The [Sleezebag]–Fox News feud begun after [Sleezebag] went off on Kelly following the network’s GOP presidential debate, calling her questions unfair and suggesting she was menstruating during the debate.

The anchors’ breaking their silence is the first of what’s likely to be a strong, coordinates response from Fox News and network chairman Roger Ailes.

The network hasn’t yet formally made a statement on [Sleezebag]’s renewed attacks on Kelly.
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/fox-news-unleashes-angry-anchors-totally-control-donald-163519555.html (https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/fox-news-unleashes-angry-anchors-totally-control-donald-163519555.html)

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See the link for a bunch of tweets that are too much trouble to copy (and format badly in quotes).
Suppose FOX decided to ignore him. Even going as far to list him in their poll questions as "other".

Do you think he could win the Republican nomination?
They sure have a lot of say over what that particular corner of the group mind is thinking...

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Geraldo Rivera


uh oh.  they pulling out the big guns. 

"Any Press is Good Press." 

I think this defines the [Sleezebag] campaign to date.  AND IT SEEMS TO BE WORKING.  You are going to have to nail him down on WHAT, exactly, he plans to DO.  Build a wall, make jobs, etc etc etc.  Yeah, how you gonna do that?  How you going to handle foreign affairs when you can't even hold a diplomatic conversation with anyone who disagrees with you? 

Nail him down on those, he seems to be immune to the character flaws.  In fact, they seem to be STRENGTHS to the general public. 
And, like it or not, he is DOMINATING the news cycle.  Totally annihilating everyone else.  Can't learn a damn thing about anyone other than what they said about [Sleezebag]. 

This continues, he wins.  Hands down. 
When did character flaws become a strength? What level of degeneracy has this country reached?  ???


I think it's the consequences of the perpetual PR campaign, blame game and gridlock.
Democrats <----> Republicans   
President <----> Congress

There's a large part of the public that has become anti-politician as a result.
So anything that [Sleezebag] says that I would describe as a gaff, others consider proof that [Sleezebag] is speaking from the heart, and not reciting focus-group tested sound bytes or weasel-lawyer evasions as a professional politician would.
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Suppose FOX decided to ignore him. Even going as far to list him in their poll questions as "other".

Do you think he could win the Republican nomination?


If they try to ignore him they lose he wins. The other candidates are a joke and everyone knows it.
Jeb Bush might as well be running for Mexican presidency and he has all the Bush family legacy besides.
The reason that [Sleezebag] is hammering everyone flat is the people of this country are sick to death of
our country becoming a third world country while were expected to pay for it. We have politicians that
don't act in our interests and expect us to pay for our own destruction besides.  Oh and if we object to
being demographically replaced were racists.The media lies to our face and expects us to believe them.
What do these people expect? Someone like [Sleezebag] was inevitable.
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How you going to handle foreign affairs when you can't even hold a diplomatic conversation with anyone who disagrees with you? 

This is 90 % of his popularity. The more the media bully, whine and play their stupid little the stronger he gets.
Because he isn't scared of them and doesn't apologize to them. The more he does this the more powerful he gets.
This is 90 % of his popularity. The more the media bully, whine and play their stupid little the stronger he gets.
Because he isn't scared of them and doesn't apologize to them. The more he does this the more powerful he gets.


I agree.  I'm not asking the media to care about what they say to THEM.  How is he going to negotiate with Mexico or China.  Neither of which he's not exactly building bridges with, and both of which are rather key partners.  This might be too nebulous a concept for the general public, though. 
Still, polls are one thing, but people who actually vote take it seriously -for whatever reason- unlike stupid polls.

That thing Mitt Romney got in trouble for saying last time about how 47% of the voters were automatically going to vote against him?  Not hard to see how that could be taken badly, but he kinda got deaned on that one - 'cause he was right.  Precious few voted for the monkey, a man with few real positives, considerable negatives, and good name recognition in the 2000 election - but almost half voted against Al Gore, who campaigns with all the seeming integrity of a hooker desperate to raise money for the next fix of heroine.  Nobody won that election, but, of two very weak candidates, Gore lost it.

I just can't believe -and you guys aren't wrong about the public perception that the media sucks, which is there because it's true- that antagonizing the information gatekeepers to the degree the Pig has isn't going to bite him on the butt.  Repeat: it's the people who decide what information to pass to the public he's making enemies of.  Reagan and people following in his style limited themselves to a little carping and slander about bias - this is going to play out differently over time, mark my words.
Repeat: it's the people who decide what information to pass to the public he's making enemies of.
Kind of.  It's the PEOPLE who decide which media to watch, and a failure to produce what they WANT will swiftly result in no jobs, though. 

They HAVE to cover [Sleezebag] bacause the people have spoken.  And, they can't just spin it all negative because it'll just make a bigger case FOR [Sleezebag]. 

Long term, yeah, they can potentially ween people off onto "real" candidates, but they need a little help from said candidates to make themselves interesting. 

Either the public gets bored with [Sleezebag]'s sideshow act, or someone else steps up.  That's our options.

Yeah?  I read something the other day about a big societal problem modern communications brings - people have more media choices and gravitate to the ones that feed their world-view.  It kinda explains that right-wing reality bubble I expressed so much concern about the week after the last presidential cycle.

Well ask yourself:  where do the Tea Party types Pig has to hold onto go for news?  Mainly the same operation he's made a major point of antagonizing.  Murdock and Ailes know what they're doing, and I smell bacon frying soon.

-If he loses Rush and G. Gordon too, he's a dead man.
Title: Re: Re: Re: US Presidential Contenders
Post by: Unorthodox on August 26, 2015, 04:03:28 PM
Is it the people go to an outlet because it's what they want to hear, or is it that people want to hear that so there was an outlet created?


Title: Re: Re: Re: US Presidential Contenders
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 26, 2015, 04:19:00 PM
Ask that sleezbag Murdock.

I'm more likely to be honest with you, but his experience building and running a mass media empire trumps overshadows my broadcasting degree and knowledge of communications theory.
Title: Re: Re: Re: US Presidential Contenders
Post by: Rusty Edge on August 26, 2015, 05:11:42 PM
I think I have an answer.

Rush and his rants validated people. Ratings followed. When callers say "Ditto" it doesn't mean that they agree with everything he just said, it's actually a reference to a caller many years ago who gushed about how validated Rush made her feel.

Roger Ailes and then Murdoch saw a way to turn those ratings into networks.
So first the people flock, and then the outlets appear.

If they come, build it.

Title: Re: Re: Re: US Presidential Contenders
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 26, 2015, 05:36:14 PM
I think I have an answer.

Rush and his rants validated people. Ratings followed. When callers say "Ditto" it doesn't mean that they agree with everything he just said, it's actually a reference to a caller many years ago who gushed about how validated Rush made her feel.

Roger Ailes and then Murdoch saw a way to turn those ratings into networks.
So first the people flock, and then the outlets appear.

If they come, build it.
You left out Morton Downey Jr.

...It is no coincidence that what I call the "stupid shows" -late 80s/early 90s trash TV pseudo-journalism like A Current Affair that were everywhere in the afternoon - almost all went away abruptly about five minutes before FOX News went live.  Murdock realized that he already owned everything he needed to make a cable news channel except the satellite.  And I still say that that says more about the suck of Fox than the political slant; those lowest-common-denominator roots show in what they cover and how they cover it, for all that there's a lot less Jerry Seinfeld stumped his toe and broads in bikinis.


-But to be fair, Fox still has higher technical production values than the competition.  When I still had cable, I'd turn over to Fox to see live somethings like the State of the Union addresses (then turn away when the after-commentary started).  The lighting, sound, color-balance of the cameras - you name it, Fox can't be beat on the technical end.  Lots of crackerjack behind the scenes guys working there who really know their stuff...
Title: Re: Re: Re: US Presidential Contenders
Post by: Rusty Edge on August 26, 2015, 06:27:32 PM
Since we're on a media tangent...

The dominant story today is about a former tv reporter who went Go Pro/social media to kill the former coworkers whom he held responsible for getting him fired, while they were interviewing somebody on tv.

I know it's the nature of TV news people to talk. Even when one of them passes away in their sleep, they like to talk about it out of all proportion to the newsworthiness of it.

But I always stress whenever they give continuous coverage to a post-office massacre, school shooting, dorm shooting, theater shooting, etc. because I know it's giving ideas and winding somebody up who feels they have a grievance. Showing all of the pain of the families, explaining the motivation of the perpetrator, explaining how they did what they did, making them a household name. A how to recipe for revenge and recognition. It makes a copycat killing practically inevitable.

Today I told my wife that if I'm ever a casualty in a copycat murder, I want her to sue the tv stations. They'll settle out of court and she can blow the money on housecats to help her fell better. I just want them to think about the part they play in perpetuating mass murder.
Title: Re: Re: Re: US Presidential Contenders
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 26, 2015, 06:30:28 PM
^THIS^.
Title: Re: Re: Re: US Presidential Contenders
Post by: Unorthodox on August 26, 2015, 07:37:37 PM
Well, if we're going to go down that route, we better be banning violence in TV, Movies, and Video games too. 

I'm pretty sure this guy played an FPS in his life, it's clearly to blame. 
Title: Re: Re: Re: US Presidential Contenders
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 26, 2015, 07:51:23 PM
Yeah, why do you suppose this going postal thing didn't happen until the 90s?  Why the copycat after copycat?  -Besides playing shooters, I mean.

I've been saying the same thing Rusty said for years; stop putting it out there for the weak-minded to think of when they're desperate.
Title: Re: Re: Re: US Presidential Contenders
Post by: Unorthodox on August 26, 2015, 08:19:10 PM
And I'm saying why censor the news?  Or single it out?

Why DID things start up in the 90's?  Are you saying the acts were always there and the news just started covering them?  Covering them more/differently? 

Perhaps, just perhaps, might it have to do with the creation of PG-13 movies in 1984, which has seen increasingly violent content allowed under that rating ever since?  PG-13 movies today are more violent than 'R' movies pre '84. 

(conversly why was some nudity fine under PG in the 80s and a swift ticket to R land now?)

Coincidentally, Doom was released in the early 90s. 

Title: Re: Re: Re: US Presidential Contenders
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 26, 2015, 08:32:31 PM
[Now officially over trying to explain obvious things to people who don't see for the day]
Title: Re: Re: Re: US Presidential Contenders
Post by: vonbach on August 26, 2015, 08:50:11 PM
Spree killers? Thats easy its called SSRI's. Most of the spree killers have been on them.
Title: Re: Re: Re: US Presidential Contenders
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 26, 2015, 08:55:19 PM
SSRI's?  I'm unfamiliar with the term.  -Also, can you back whatever you just said up?
Title: Re: Re: Re: US Presidential Contenders
Post by: vonbach on August 26, 2015, 09:03:19 PM
SSRI's they are drugs that alter drain chemistry. Such as Prozac and the like.
Doctors hand them  out like their tic tacs in the military. They like to give them
to teenagers and parents get the pleasure of seeing that their daughter hung
herself in her closet. Or in the case of Columbine they shoot a bunch of people.
Or a mother will drown 7 of her children in a fugue state. These drugs are flat out
banned in plenty of countries outside the USA and with good reason.


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http://www.naturalnews.com/039752_mass_shootings_psychiatric_drugs_antidepressants.html
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(NaturalNews) The following is a republishing of an important article written by Dan Roberts from AmmoLand.com. It reveals the real truth about mass shootings that bureaucrats and lawmakers are choosing to sweep under the rug: psychiatric drugs. If you want to know the real reason why mass shootings are taking place, this is the "inconvenient truth" the media won't cover.
Title: Re: Re: Re: US Presidential Contenders
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 26, 2015, 09:06:09 PM
Interesting, if not fiction.  I'd like that from a source that passes the smell test better.
Title: Re: Re: Re: US Presidential Contenders
Post by: vonbach on August 26, 2015, 09:13:04 PM
Just google it it even made that trash rag the huffington post.
This has been known for years. They even finally started putting
warning labels on them.
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http://www.sott.net/article/279716-Nearly-every-mass-shooting-in-the-last-20-years-shares-one-thing-in-common-and-it-isnt-weapons
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Multiple credible scientific studies going back more then a decade, as well as internal documents from certain pharmaceutical companies that suppressed the information show that SSRI drugs ( Selective Serotonin Re-Uptake Inhibitors ) have well known, but unreported side effects, including but not limited to suicide and other violent behavior. One need only Google relevant key words or phrases to see for themselves. www.ssristories.com (http://www.ssristories.com) is one popular site that has documented over 4500 " Mainstream Media " reported cases from around the World of aberrant or violent behavior by those taking these powerful drugs...

...On to the list of mass shooters and the stark link to psychotropic drugs:
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Eric Harris, age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold, aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold's medical records have never been made available to the public.

Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather's girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.

Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.

Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.

Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.

Mathew Miller, age 13, hanged himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.

Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.

Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.

A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.

Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..

A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.

Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.

TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.

Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.

James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.

Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania.

Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) - school shooting in El Cajon, California.

Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.
Title: Re: Re: Re: US Presidential Contenders
Post by: vonbach on August 26, 2015, 09:25:24 PM
Here have some more.
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http://ssristories.org/ssris/
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Other side effects

Side effects which are less common, but not rare, include:
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an increase in violent thoughts and impulses,  suicidal ideation, mania, loss of judgment,  strange or terrifying dreams,  reduced inhibition, craving for alcohol, a tendency to indulge in reckless behavior, thought disturbance or full-blown psychosis, and increased propensity to drug and alcohol addiction.


Psychotropic drugs, including SSRIs, when taken for a long time, predispose people to other addictions. This is particularly true with children who are started on these drugs at a young age and become bipolar in adolescence as a consequence.  Although pharmaceutical companies have denied it for years, SSRIs and other psychotropic drugs create dependency.   When people get hooked on street drugs, we call it addiction and disapprove.  When people get hooked on drugs prescribed by their doctors, and suffer terrible symptoms when they try to stop taking them, it is interpreted as evidence that they have a chronic illness.  Their withdrawal symptoms are mischaracterized as “relapse” and proof that they need the drug to stay well.

Most alarming of all, antidepressants can cause depression and suicidality. Despite having been forced to issue black box warnings in the USA, several manufacturers fudge this one. For example, the Celexa, June, 2012 monograph cautions that:

“Depression is associated with an increased risk of suicidal thoughts, self-harm and suicide (suicide-related events). This risk persists until significant remission occurs. As improvement may not occur during the first few weeks or more of treatment, patients should be closely monitored until such improvement occurs. It is general clinical experience that the risk of suicide may increase in the early stages of recovery.”

In other words, Lundbeck is implying that Celexa makes people feel better, but until this positive effect kicks in, their depression may cause suicidality.  According to their spin, it is not the drug but depression that is the problem.  However, there is unequivocal evidence [1] that SSRI drugs can cause people who were never depressed and never had a suicidal thought, to become suicidal after taking these medications.   People need to understand this, especially parents whose teenagers are among the many thousands whose GPs are offering them SSRIs to help them deal with boyfriend or exam problems.

Similarly, SSRIs cause people to become violent.  Studies show that the SSRI & SNRI antidepressants are among the worst drugs for causing violence (see Trends and Data).

Long-term use of antidepressants causes permanent changes to people’s mood and reactions.  Suicide and violence are the most alarming side effects, however small the percent of affected persons may be.  However, depression and bi-polar, which are more common, are the most offensive side effects.  People take these drugs in the belief and hope that the medication will make them feel better, only to have their long term mental health undermined by this decision.   It seems that, despite books like Anatomy of an Epidemic few physicians are aware of this.  Robert Whitaker pointed this out in his 2010 book, and more recently Danish internist Peter Gotzsche bluntly stated:

“Bipolar illness rose 35-fold in 20 years in the United States.  It’s not only the loose criteria (for diagnosis) that cause this disaster; both SSRIs and ADHD drugs cause bipolar illness…WHO studies have shown that patients fare much better in areas of the world where psychotropic drugs are little used…People may get terrible symptoms when they try to stop (taking the drugs), both symptoms that resemble the disease and may others that they have never experienced before.”[2]

 

[1] Emergence of antidepressant induced suicidality, David Healy, Primary Care Psychiatry, 2000 6:23–28 © LibraPharm Limited

[2] Deadly Medicines and Organized Crime, Psychiatry, the Drug Industry’s Paradise, Dr Peter Gotzsche, Radclofee Publishing, 2013, P196, P199


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Trends and data

In 2011, the American National Department of Health and Human Services found that eleven percent of Americans aged 12 years and over were taking antidepressant medication. They found that more than 60% of Americans taking antidepressant medication had been taking it for 2 years or longer, with 14% having taken the medication for 10 years or more.  The most astounding finding was that between the time periods 1988–1994 and 2005–2008 – that is, within less than 10 years – the rate of antidepressant use in the United States among all age groups increased nearly 400%.

In the E.U., antidepressant use has also experienced huge growth since the turn of the century.

In 1955, in the USA, approximately one in 13,000 people was diagnosed with bipolar disorder, and those who were diagnosed had a 50% chance of recovering without relapse.  In 1985, researchers found that in Switzerland, the incidence of bipolar disorder had significantly increased since the introduction of antidepressants.   More recently, a meta-analysis of 35 studies involving randomized control trials found that 12.5 % of subjects treated with antidepressants experienced some form of mania.   In 2013, the American National Institute of Mental Health warns that: “Bipolar disorder affects approximately 5.7 million American adults, or about 2.6 percent of the U.S. population age 18 and older in a given year.”

Note:  Specific reference sources are not listed here.   Please contact us if you would like to know the source of any of the information cited above.

PLOS 2010 study on drugs and biolence

On December 15, 2010, PLoS Medicine released a study which showed that, in regard to prescription medications associated with reports of violence towards others, the FDA had received the most reports of violence from the SSRI & SNRI antidepressants (except for Chantix, the smoking cessation drug.) The study listed Prozac as the number 2 drug for violence, and Paxil as number 3.

Antidepressants have been recognized as potential inducers of mania and psychosis since their introduction in the 1950s.  Klein and Fink (1) described psychosis as an adverse effect of the older tricyclic antidepressant imipramine. Since the introduction of Prozac in December, 1987, there has been a massive increase in the number of people taking antidepressants. Preda and Bowers 2 reported that over 200,000 people a year in the U.S. enter a hospital with antidepressant-associated mania and/or psychosis. The subsequent harm from this prescribing can be seen in these 5000+ stories.

According to an August, 2013  New York Times article, “fully 1 in 5 Americans take at least one psychiatric medication.”

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An absence of controlled scientific evidence

In the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, Volume 14, Number 1, Spring 2009, there is a journal article by Joel M. Kauffman, Ph.D., which is titled:  Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor (SSRI) Drugs:  More Risk Than Benefits?”   In reference to SSRIStories.com, Dr. Kaufmann made the following statement:  “Since no clinical trial involving multiple homicides is ever likely to be run, no firmer evidence is likely to be found.  Dr. David Healy noted that much of the evidence for suicide and murder came from the efforts of journalists and lawyers.

To read the full article go to the Links page on this site (click the button at the bottom of this page).

A public health problem of epidemic proportions

There is a grave concern among advocates that adverse reactions are greatly underestimated by the public, the medical profession, and the regulatory authorities. Each of these stories in our list can be interpreted as an adverse reaction and in most cases we have highlighted the portion of the article that refers to evidence of bizarre behavioral change consistent with drug reaction. In some stories causation is acknowledged and the juxtaposition of these stories with those where it goes unrecognized as well as the repetition of themes and circumstances is chilling. If indeed medications played a significant role in all these tragedies, then this is a public health problem of epidemic proportions on a global scale.

1  Klein DF, Fink M.  Psychiatric Reaction Patterns to Imipramine.  Am Journal Psychiatry 1962; 119: 432-438.

2 Preda and Bowers. Antidepressant-Associated Mania and Psychosis Resulting in Psychiatric Admissions. Journal of Clinical Psychiatry 2001: 62: 30-333 National Institute of Mental Health:  Health Magazine 2010.

4Thomas J. Moore, Joseph Glenmullen, Curt D. Furberg.  Prescription Drugs Associated With Reports of Violence Toward Others.   PLoS Medicine: December 15, 2010.
Title: Re: Re: Re: US Presidential Contenders
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 26, 2015, 09:30:05 PM
Thank you sir!  May I have another!? ;)



Not the first time something like this has come out about antidepressants.  I recall some bad incident reports on Prozac before the doctors figured out what they were doing, too.
Title: Re: Re: Re: US Presidential Contenders
Post by: vonbach on August 26, 2015, 09:45:51 PM
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Since we're on a media tangent...

The dominant story today is about a former tv reporter who went Go Pro/social media to kill the former coworkers whom he held responsible for getting him fired, while they were interviewing somebody on tv.
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It is unclear whose initials he is referring to. He continues, “As for Dylann Roof? You (deleted)! You want a race war (deleted)? BRING IT THEN YOU WHITE …(deleted)!!!”

A gay Black man says he wants to start a race war. Interesting, theres been one going on for years.
Its just that whites haven't been fighting back. The media almost never reports stories where blacks
kill whites its called "hush crime." This case seems to be the exception.
Title: Re: Re: Re: US Presidential Contenders
Post by: Rusty Edge on August 26, 2015, 09:50:29 PM
Since I haven't said it before, Thanks vonbach !

There are issues with the site, but here's the edited gist.
https://healthland.time.com/2011/01/07/top-ten-legal-drugs-linked-to-violence/



A new study from the Institute for Safe Medication Practices published in the journal PloS One and based on data from the FDA’s Adverse Event Reporting System has identified 31 drugs that are disproportionately linked with reports of violent behavior towards others.

Nonetheless, when one particular drug in a class of nonaddictive drugs used to treat the same problem stands out, that suggests caution: unless the drug is being used to treat radically different groups of people, that drug may actually be the problem. Researchers calculated a ratio of risk for each drug compared to the others in the database, adjusting for various relevant factors that could create misleading comparisons.  Here are the top ten offenders:


10. Desvenlafaxine (Pristiq) An antidepressant which affects both serotonin and noradrenaline, this drug is 7.9 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs.

 9. Venlafaxine (Effexor) A drug related to Pristiq in the same class of antidepressants, both are also used to treat anxiety disorders. Effexor is 8.3 times more likely than other drugs to be related to violent behavior. (More on Time.com: Adderall May Not Make You Smarter, But It Makes You Think You Are)


8. Fluvoxamine (Luvox) An antidepressant that affects serotonin (SSRI), Luvox is 8.4 times more likely than other medications to be linked with violence

7. Triazolam (Halcion) A benzodiazepine which can be addictive, used to treat insomnia. Halcion is 8.7 times more likely to be linked with violence than other drugs, according to the study.

6) Atomoxetine (Strattera) Used to treat attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), Strattera affects the neurotransmitter noradrenaline and is 9 times more likely to be linked with violence compared to the average medication.

5) Mefoquine (Lariam) A treatment for malaria, Lariam has long been linked with reports of bizarre behavior. It is 9.5 times more likely to be linked with violence than other drugs.

4) Amphetamines: (Various) Amphetamines are used to treat ADHD and affect the brain’s dopamine and noradrenaline systems. They are 9.6 times more likely to be linked to violence, compared to other drugs.

3) Paroxetine (Paxil) An SSRI antidepressant, Paxil is also linked with more severe withdrawal symptoms and a greater risk of birth defects compared to other medications in that class. It is 10.3 times more likely to be linked with violence compared to other drugs. (More on Time.com: Healthland’s Guide to Life 2011)


2) Fluoxetine (Prozac) The first well-known SSRI antidepressant, Prozac is 10.9 times more likely to be linked with violence in comparison with other medications.

1) Varenicline (Chantix) The anti-smoking medication Chantix affects the nicotinic acetylcholine receptor, which helps reduce craving for smoking. Unfortunately, it’s 18 times more likely to be linked with violence compared to other drugs — by comparison, that number for Xyban is 3.9 and just 1.9 for nicotine replacement. Because Chantix is slightly superior in terms of quit rates in comparison to other drugs, it shouldn’t necessarily be ruled out as an option for those trying to quit, however.


Title: Re: Re: Re: US Presidential Contenders
Post by: Rusty Edge on August 26, 2015, 09:59:59 PM
Perhaps this Media tangent deserves it's own topic.

Some excerpts from From Psychology Today-
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/obsessively-yours/201212/newtown-shootings-caution-about-violence-and-ssris (https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/obsessively-yours/201212/newtown-shootings-caution-about-violence-and-ssris)

It’s been well known that adolescents and young people have an increased risk of suicide when they begin to take SSRIs. But what we may forget is that suicide is an impulsive behavior that is turned against oneself. But impulses, particularly violent ones, can be turned against others.

An accompanying effect of SSRI’s is the dulling of feelings(link is external) that cause depression—and one of the main feelings in this line is empathy. If empathy is dulled and violent impulses increase when young people are on SSRI’s, then certainly that is a recipe for causing harm to others.

It’s not that SSRI’s are not an important part of a mental-health practitioner’s arsenal against mental illness—they are. But it is important to understand that they are not panaceas and may even contribute to more violence. It is possible that the SSRI’s were not properly prescribed and therefore were not working. But we also have to entertain the idea that those drugs may have directly or indirectly contributed to the violence that resulted.

After all, drugs are drugs—with effects and side effects. We need to know more about how these drugs work before we decide that the best policy is to get as many trouble adolescents on them as possible. The physician’s motto: “Do no harm” is more relevant than ever in this scenario.







Title: Re: Re: Re: US Presidential Contenders
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 26, 2015, 10:09:02 PM
Good idea, Rusty.  Shall I split, or would you like to just start a thread and we take it from here?

Quote
Since we're on a media tangent...

The dominant story today is about a former tv reporter who went Go Pro/social media to kill the former coworkers whom he held responsible for getting him fired, while they were interviewing somebody on tv.
Quote
It is unclear whose initials he is referring to. He continues, “As for Dylann Roof? You (deleted)! You want a race war (deleted)? BRING IT THEN YOU WHITE …(deleted)!!!”

A gay Black man says he wants to start a race war. Interesting, theres been one going on for years.
Its just that whites haven't been fighting back. The media almost never reports stories where blacks
kill whites its called "hush crime." This case seems to be the exception.
...This is not a profitable line of discussion...
Title: Re: Re: Re: US Presidential Contenders
Post by: Lorizael on August 26, 2015, 10:09:22 PM
If you go back a little further in time, you'll find that a lot of spree killers were on tricyclics. Hmm, I wonder why that might be...
Title: Re: Re: Re: US Presidential Contenders
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 26, 2015, 10:13:08 PM
Gosh, depressed guy; you have stumped me, another depressed guy. ;)
Title: Re: Re: Re: US Presidential Contenders
Post by: vonbach on August 26, 2015, 10:15:00 PM
Quote
...This is not a profitable line of discussion...

It is if you care about the truth. This is the type of thing that happens all the time in Rhodesia and
South Africa. Its the exact same rhetoric. We have an entire generation of blacks that thinks it ok
to kill whites because of "racism." Whats racist? Thats simple its called being white.
Title: Re: Re: Re: US Presidential Contenders
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 26, 2015, 10:27:54 PM
Really man; race is a third rail.  You don't want to keep this talk up.
Title: Re: Re: Re: US Presidential Contenders
Post by: Lorizael on August 26, 2015, 10:31:03 PM
We have an entire generation of blacks that [possesses a trait other than black skin]...

Hyperbole makes me so angry I could make sweeping generalizations and demeaning accusations about your ancestry, personal history, and financial success.

More seriously, yes, obviously you don't really mean an entire generation something something, but when you start off a conversation that way, it's hard to find any middle ground. First, because it's such an extreme position, and second, because it sets up in your mind this idea that you can, in fact, easily categorize whole groups of people. After all, it only took a few slaps of the keyboard to produce that sentence; how much more effort could it possibly take to be right?
Title: Re: Re: Re: US Presidential Contenders
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 26, 2015, 10:33:54 PM
AMEN.
Title: Re: Re: Re: US Presidential Contenders
Post by: vonbach on August 26, 2015, 10:36:05 PM
I actually know people from South Africa. The exact same rhetoric was used and the same denial of reality
was used and with predictable results.
Title: Re: Re: Re: US Presidential Contenders
Post by: Rusty Edge on August 26, 2015, 10:37:00 PM
Good idea, Rusty.  Shall I split, or would you like to just start a thread and we take it from here?




I'd say start a news media thread with your post from page 16.

As the SSRI aspect, well that's an aspect of selective coverage -or bias at this point, and isn't entirely a tangent.

BUNCLE-

"Yeah?  I read something the other day about a big societal problem modern communications brings - people have more media choices and gravitate to the ones that feed their world-view.  It kinda explains that right-wing reality bubble I expressed so much concern about the week after the last presidential cycle.

Well ask yourself:  where do the Tea Party types Pig has to hold onto go for news?  Mainly the same operation he's made a major point of antagonizing.  Murdock and Ailes know what they're doing, and I smell bacon frying soon.

-If he loses Rush and G. Gordon too, he's a dead man."
Title: Re: Re: Re: US Presidential Contenders
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 26, 2015, 10:42:38 PM
If nobody speaks up to object real fast, I'm gonna do that right after I post this news article that's actually on-topic...
Title: Re: Re: Re: US Presidential Contenders
Post by: vonbach on August 26, 2015, 10:44:54 PM
You could always split the topics into two separate threads.
Title: Re: Re: Re: US Presidential Contenders
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 26, 2015, 10:50:37 PM
Okay; good idea.

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[Sleezebag] wins backing of former grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan
David Duke endorses Donald [Sleezebag] and praises his stand on immigration
The Telegraph
By  David Millward, US Correspondent  12:11AM BST 26 Aug 2015


(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03046/David-Duke_3046567b.jpg)
David Duke Photo: AP



Donald [Sleezebag]’s campaign to win the Republican nomination for the 2016 presidential election has been endorsed by David Duke, the former grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.

The billionaire’s outspoken remarks on immigration have already alarmed the Republican establishment and the public backing offered by Mr Duke, is likely to cause further embarrassment to Mr [Sleezebag] and the party as a whole.

Mr Duke hosts a website which is blatantly anti-Semitic, railing against “Jewish terrorism against Arabs”, “Jewish interests” and “The real Jewish Role in the Crucifixion”.

There is no suggestion that Mr [Sleezebag] shares in any way these views,

Separately, Mr [Sleezebag] has angered many with his description of Mexican immigrants as drug runners, criminals and racists.

Speaking on his own radio show, Mr Duke said Mr [Sleezebag] "understands the real sentiment of America" and praised the billionaire mogul and reality show TV host for "talking about the immigration issue."

"He has really said some incredibly great things recently.

"I really like the fact that he's speaking out on this greatest immediate threat to the American people."

Mr Duke’s endorsement was less than wholehearted, however.

“Although we can’t trust him to do what he says, the other Republican candidates won’t even say what he says.

"So he’s certainly the best of the lot. And he’s certainly somebody that we should get behind in terms ... raising the image of this thing”
-wins-backing-of-former-grand-wizard-of-the-Ku-Klux-Klan.html]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11824412/[Sleezebag]-wins-backing-of-former-grand-wizard-of-the-Ku-Klux-Klan.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11824412/[Sleezebag)

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My buncle powers inform me that FOX will probably report this story, to say the least.  More than once in passing.  Mr. Murdock's propaganda channel will, no doubt, not be alone in this.
Title: Re: Re: Re: US Presidential Contenders
Post by: vonbach on August 26, 2015, 10:52:40 PM
Gee their calling [Sleezebag] a racist I didn't see that one coming lol.
Watch his poll numbers go up now.
Title: Re: Re: Re: US Presidential Contenders
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 26, 2015, 11:07:11 PM
Gee their calling [Sleezebag] a racist I didn't see that one coming lol.
Watch his poll numbers go up now.
He wouldn't be the first to capitalize on the racist vote.



(I feel a joke frenzy coming on - sometimes, it's just asking for it, nothin' personal.)

Maybe something to do with his racist statements?

You were blinded by racism, or you'd have seen it walking up Fifth Avenue?

Nobody wants to watch the Pig's poll go up.

-But I bet it does at the thought of pulling that KKK vote.
Title: Re: Mass Media's influence in political campaigning and other disgusting acts
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 26, 2015, 11:51:58 PM
...The mod tools here are a teeny bit inadequate sometimes, to say the least - when we started here, I could dupe a post, which made some of this thread surgery a lot easier w/o garbling one or both threads over posts that addressed both the original topic and the drift.  I want that function back...
Title: Re: Mass Media's influence in political campaigning and other disgusting acts
Post by: vonbach on August 27, 2015, 02:18:30 AM
Quote
He wouldn't be the first to capitalize on the racist vote.

Racist simply means white person. Besides thats not why his poll numbers will grow.
People are so sick of the media and the way politicians and celebrities grovel to apologize
any time they are attacked. So the more [Sleezebag] stand his ground gets attacked the more support he gets.
Basically this the political pendulum swinging  the other way like people on the right have been
expecting for 40 years.
Title: Re: Mass Media's influence in political campaigning and other disgusting acts
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 27, 2015, 02:20:51 AM
Quote
He wouldn't be the first to capitalize on the racist vote.
Racist simply means white person. Besides thats not why his poll numbers will grow.
People are so sick of the media and the way politicians and celebrities grovel to apologize
any time they are attacked. So the more [Sleezebag] stand his ground gets attacked the more support he gets.
Basically this the political pendulum swinging  the other way like people on the right have been
expecting for 40 years.
Factually *made up* phrases struck.
Title: Re: Mass Media's influence in political campaigning and other disgusting acts
Post by: vonbach on August 27, 2015, 02:27:19 AM
Quote
Racist simply means white person.

Yes thats what it means. Its  simply a verbal club to beat white people into line with.
It was invented by Leon Trotsky.
Quote
Basically this the political pendulum swinging  the other way
The USA is essentially Weimar Germany look at the backlash that happened there.
Politics goes in cycles and the left wont be on top forever.
Title: Re: Mass Media's influence in political campaigning and other disgusting acts
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 27, 2015, 02:34:37 AM
Does Elvis talk to you?
Title: Re: Mass Media's influence in political campaigning and other disgusting acts
Post by: BU Admin on August 27, 2015, 02:37:41 AM
Please drop the racial comments.  I'm not asking again.
Title: Re: Mass Media's influence in political campaigning and other disgusting acts
Post by: Rusty Edge on August 27, 2015, 02:54:36 AM
On the subject of SSRI's I'd heard the theory years ago. The data was a little thin then.
It seems that more of these tragedies are associated with them than I'd previously been informed.

I didn't go to college, or take college statistics. Still, I'm thinking that an incidence of violence that is an order of magnitude or greater relative to other drugs is significant.
Title: Re: Mass Media's influence in political campaigning and other disgusting acts
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 27, 2015, 02:58:34 AM
I think in the main, Lori had it exactly right.

People with serious emotional balance problems often take drugs for it.  People with emotional problems also are more likely to take desperate measures.  The measures can include all sorts of senseless violent crime.

The causal connection being hypothesized with the drugs may have it backwards.
Title: Re: Re: Re: US Presidential Contenders
Post by: BeSevenPhy on August 27, 2015, 07:51:18 PM
Just google it it even made that trash rag the huffington post.
This has been known for years. They even finally started putting
warning labels on them.
Quote
http://www.sott.net/article/279716-Nearly-every-mass-shooting-in-the-last-20-years-shares-one-thing-in-common-and-it-isnt-weapons
Quote
Multiple credible scientific studies going back more then a decade, as well as internal documents from certain pharmaceutical companies that suppressed the information show that SSRI drugs ( Selective Serotonin Re-Uptake Inhibitors ) have well known, but unreported side effects, including but not limited to suicide and other violent behavior. One need only Google relevant key words or phrases to see for themselves. www.ssristories.com (http://www.ssristories.com) is one popular site that has documented over 4500 " Mainstream Media " reported cases from around the World of aberrant or violent behavior by those taking these powerful drugs...

...On to the list of mass shooters and the stark link to psychotropic drugs:
Quote
Eric Harris, age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold, aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold's medical records have never been made available to the public.

Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather's girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.

Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.

Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.

Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.

Mathew Miller, age 13, hanged himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.

Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.

Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.

A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.

Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..

A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.

Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.

TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.

Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.

James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.

Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania.

Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) - school shooting in El Cajon, California.

Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.




The use of SSRIs have been promoted with the erroneous marketing mantra that serotonin is the happiness hormone. That simplistic narrative has many gullible people convinced that it most be good to take SSRIs and anything else the medical business tells them to take.

Yet a sizable volume of research studies demonstrated that increasing serotonin (and tryptophan) with drugs or supplements is linked to brain dysfunction, stress hormone release, cognitive deficits, inflammation, impaired blood circulation in the brain, hypertension, sexual dysfunction, cancer, and other less than "happy" effects - http://www.supplements-and-health.com/tryptophan-side-effects.html (http://www.supplements-and-health.com/tryptophan-side-effects.html)

Undoubtedly, the serotonin-happiness mantra seems to be almost entirely an all-too convenient highly lucrative invention of the medical-pharma business.


Title: Re: Mass Media's influence in political campaigning and other disgusting acts
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 27, 2015, 07:54:33 PM
Hi, B7!

...This is such a relief; a new signup already posting in a political thread when I spotted had me worried that we'd drawn a polititroll...

How did you find us?

---

On-topic, I'd say to never attribute to malice what can be put down to incompetence.  It stands to reason that fooling with the body and brain's chemical balance is not something to do casually, and it's pretty well established that medical science is not at its strongest when it comes to subtle long-term effects of anything.
Title: Re: Re: Re: US Presidential Contenders
Post by: Yitzi on August 27, 2015, 09:10:42 PM
Just google it it even made that trash rag the huffington post.
This has been known for years. They even finally started putting
warning labels on them.
Quote
http://www.sott.net/article/279716-Nearly-every-mass-shooting-in-the-last-20-years-shares-one-thing-in-common-and-it-isnt-weapons
Quote
Multiple credible scientific studies going back more then a decade, as well as internal documents from certain pharmaceutical companies that suppressed the information show that SSRI drugs ( Selective Serotonin Re-Uptake Inhibitors ) have well known, but unreported side effects, including but not limited to suicide and other violent behavior. One need only Google relevant key words or phrases to see for themselves. www.ssristories.com (http://www.ssristories.com) is one popular site that has documented over 4500 " Mainstream Media " reported cases from around the World of aberrant or violent behavior by those taking these powerful drugs...

...On to the list of mass shooters and the stark link to psychotropic drugs:
Quote
Eric Harris, age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold, aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold's medical records have never been made available to the public.

Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather's girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.

Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.

Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.

Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.

Mathew Miller, age 13, hanged himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.

Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.

Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.

A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.

Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..

A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.

Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.

TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.

Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.

James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.

Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania.

Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) - school shooting in El Cajon, California.

Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.




The use of SSRIs have been promoted with the erroneous marketing mantra that serotonin is the happiness hormone. That simplistic narrative has many gullible people convinced that it most be good to take SSRIs and anything else the medical business tells them to take.

Yet a sizable volume of research studies demonstrated that increasing serotonin (and tryptophan) with drugs or supplements is linked to brain dysfunction, stress hormone release, cognitive deficits, inflammation, impaired blood circulation in the brain, hypertension, sexual dysfunction, cancer, and other less than "happy" effects - http://www.supplements-and-health.com/tryptophan-side-effects.html (http://www.supplements-and-health.com/tryptophan-side-effects.html)

Undoubtedly, the serotonin-happiness mantra seems to be almost entirely an all-too convenient highly lucrative invention of the medical-pharma business.


More likely, serotonin does play a pivotal role in happiness, and the oversimplification as "the happiness hormone" is the all-too convenient highly lucrative invention of the medical-pharma business (or, in particular, their marketing department).  Or maybe it just comes from where most oversimplifications come from, and the medical-pharma business capitalized on that.
Title: Re: Mass Media's influence in political campaigning and other disgusting acts
Post by: Rusty Edge on August 28, 2015, 12:26:36 AM
As for the media, tonight NBC Nightly News reported the contents of the killer's car, you know, so that would be revenge killers have a checklist to work with.

They also shared an interview with the grieving father of the victim, just so everybody knows how effective the revenge was, or in case anybody missed yesterday's news.
Title: Re: Mass Media's influence in political campaigning and other disgusting acts
Post by: Dio on August 28, 2015, 04:48:41 AM
As for the media, tonight NBC Nightly News reported the contents of the killer's car, you know, so that would be revenge killers have a checklist to work with.

They also shared an interview with the grieving father of the victim, just so everybody knows how effective the revenge was, or in case anybody missed yesterday's news.
The cynical nature of Rusty Edge's post have created metaphorical hands that are reaching out of the computer monitor to grasp me. *Gasp* ;sarc
Title: Re: Mass Media's influence in political campaigning and other disgusting acts
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 28, 2015, 05:06:25 AM
Those poor people are still dead.  It's news.  Still dead passes for news.

Did you hear about Francisco Franco?
Title: Re: Mass Media's influence in political campaigning and other disgusting acts
Post by: Rusty Edge on August 28, 2015, 06:08:16 PM
Here's an article on the subject, including the recent murder, and findings by the FBI and Arizona State with regard to copycats.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/08/27/opinion/the-virginia-shooter-wanted-fame-lets-not-give-it-to-him.html?referrer&_r=0 (http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/08/27/opinion/the-virginia-shooter-wanted-fame-lets-not-give-it-to-him.html?referrer&_r=0)

It also gives examples as to how CDC recommendations affected a suicide epidemic, and an NBC request to put a news blackout on kidnapping of a reporter, etc.

So not only is their linkage to reporting and copycats, but changing the way the story is reported can affect outcomes.
Title: Re: Mass Media's influence in political campaigning and other disgusting acts
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 28, 2015, 06:19:25 PM
Obviously the FBI is a bunch of liberals.

Hoover wept.
Title: Re: Mass Media's influence in political campaigning and other disgusting acts
Post by: vonbach on August 29, 2015, 02:02:52 AM
Quote
Obviously the FBI is a bunch of mercenaries.

Hoover wept.

From what I've heard of Hoover for all his many faults he wouldn't have tolerated
the modern corrupt, politicized FBI for a heartbeat. He had an extensive blackmail
collection to keep politicians honest. The prize of his collection was supposedly a
lesbian sex tape of Eleanor Roosevelt  and the black woman from gone with the wind.
Title: Re: Mass Media's influence in political campaigning and other disgusting acts
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 29, 2015, 02:05:37 AM
...Because Hoover was AGAINST corruption in office...
Title: Re: Mass Media's influence in political campaigning and other disgusting acts
Post by: vonbach on August 29, 2015, 02:08:58 AM
Quote
...Because Hoover was AGAINST corruption in office...
Pretty much. Hoover wouldn't have tolerated something like the Edgar J Steele
case for a second. Or the rampant corruption in the FBI today where they routinely
make up evidence.
Title: Re: Mass Media's influence in political campaigning and other disgusting acts
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 29, 2015, 02:14:50 AM
a lesbian sex tape of Eleanor Roosevelt  and the black woman from gone with the wind.
The Hattie McDaniel pr0n everyone always hoped to see.  What a guy, that J. Edgar.
Title: Re: Mass Media's influence in political campaigning and other disgusting acts
Post by: vonbach on August 29, 2015, 02:26:42 AM
Quote
What a guy, that J. Edgar.

Lol From what I know he used to go to parties with his "partner"
in a cocktail dress with a feather boa and called himself "Mary."
He'd get the keys to his safe and show that tape to his guests.
But he believed in the system and wouldn't have tolerated the
things that go on in todays FBI for a second.
Title: Jorge Ramos tells Bill O’Reilly not to lecture him on journalism
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 05, 2015, 04:17:24 PM
Quote
Jorge Ramos tells Bill O’Reilly not to lecture him on journalism
Fusion
by AMERICA with Jorge Ramos and Tamara Weston  September 02, 2015 8:47 p.m. 


Since getting kicked out of Donald [Sleezebag]’s press conference and told to “Get out of my country” by a [Sleezebag] supporter last week, Fusion and Univision anchor Jorge Ramos has been the subject of headlines, to say the least. Some disagreed with his behavior, suggesting his questions were out of turn and even disrespectful to his fellow journalists; others wondered whether he was looking for a confrontation in Iowa.

But perhaps one of Ramos’ most outspoken critics was Fox’s Bill O’Reilly. The political commentator took to his own website to air his grievances with the journalist, calling him “an activist with a radical agenda,” accusing him of failing to disclose the fact that his daughter is working for Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign (though he did in June, here), and even saying that Ramos has been “hiding under his escritorio” (Spanish for “desk”) following requests for an interview.

On Wednesday night, the host got what he wanted. Ramos appeared on The O’Reilly Factor to discuss why he disagrees with [Sleezebag]’s plan to build a wall, opposes Kate’s Law, and stands by his actions in Iowa.

“Tonight I just want to get the audience to get to know who you are, Jorge, you know?” O’Reilly started. “They may be horrified, but I think I have to do it.”

O’Reilly kicked things off by asking Ramos why he doesn’t want a border wall that would “stop people from infiltrating from Mexico into the United States.” The host mentioned that a wall could have prevented the death of 32-year-old Kate Steinle, who was recently killed in San Francisco by an undocumented immigrant who had been deported five times. He said this is why the country needs legislation like Kate’s Law.

Ramos disagreed: “I don’t think you are approaching the problem in a global way,” he said, while stressing that he’s not defending criminals.

“You are!” O’Reilly responded. “You’re an enabler. Jorge, you’re enabling guys like Sanchez,” referring to Steinle’s alleged killer.

“You have to concentrate on enforcement, background checks, and at the same time you have to resolve the situation of 11 million people in this country,” Ramos responded.

O’Reilly asked Ramos, “Do you believe that Mexican nationals—and you were one, you came to the United States on a student visa and then, I guess, you did everything, legally, and you’re here and you’re successful—do you believe that Mexican nationals, Guatemalan nationals, Honduran nationals, have a right to come to the United States?”

Ramos said he believes they have a right if done legally but that immigrants are coming to the U.S. because they are also needed here by American companies.

“You want to criminalize a whole community,” Ramos said. “And at the same time, we are also responsible. You think they are just coming because they want to go to Disneyland? Of course not. They are coming because they are doing the jobs nobody else wants to do; we are giving them jobs. That’s why they are coming.”

The Fox host then turned the discussion to Ramos’ career. “You’re an anchorman, how can you possibly cover illegal immigration fairly when you’re an activist, when you’re a proponent of allowing them amnesty?” O’Reilly continued, “You should excuse yourself from it, or recuse yourself from it, or become like me, a commentator.”

“Mr. O’Reilly, I don’t think you are the right person to lecture me on advocacy and journalism when you spend most of your program giving opinions and not asking questions, defending Republicans, criticizing Democrats, and, frankly, conducting interviews—soft interviews—with conservatives that you agree with,” Ramos responded. “The difference between you and me is that you are partisan, and I’m independent.”

Watch the O’Reilly Factor segment here:

'You're an Activist!': O'Reilly and Jorge Ramos Clash on Illegal Immigration (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-g7MFyXKspQ#)


http://fusion.net/story/192701/jorge-ramos-tells-bill-oreilly-not-to-lecture-him-on-journalism/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=/feed/the-most-popular/ (http://fusion.net/story/192701/jorge-ramos-tells-bill-oreilly-not-to-lecture-him-on-journalism/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=/feed/the-most-popular/)



It's funny because Bill O'Reilly pretends to be a journalist for a living.  Glass houses...
Title: Re: Mass Media's influence in political campaigning and other disgusting acts
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 16, 2015, 04:39:44 PM
Conspiracy Theory Rock By Robert Smigel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3JLKw0q4kY&feature=youtu.be#)
It helps a lot getting the joke if you were watching any Saturday morning cartoons on ABC in 1978...  But the central point is no joke, of course.
Title: Re: Mass Media's influence in political campaigning and other disgusting acts
Post by: Rusty Edge on October 03, 2015, 03:55:13 PM
So we had another shooting.

Yesterday, the local news where I am covered the Sheriff's press conference, as he explained that he would not speak the name of the perpetrator, so as not to glorify him or inspire copycats.

After the segment the local newslady says "His name was __________"
Needless to say, I was  :mad:

Then last night, my wife tells me I was right and reads me stuff from ______'s social media, praising the shooter I complained about last time, and a couple of other recent ones.

Of course, it's not just the news media, it's also the President. He seems to see political opportunity where I see tragedy, and where feces heads see national recognition from the POTUS.

Thanks Obama!
Title: Re: Mass Media's influence in political campaigning and other disgusting acts
Post by: Rusty Edge on October 03, 2015, 04:20:01 PM
Here's a better way of covering the story, by CNN

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/oregon-school-shooting-hero/index.html?eref=rss_topstories (http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/oregon-school-shooting-hero/index.html?eref=rss_topstories)

Oregon shooting hero tells gunman, 'It's my son's birthday today'
By Don Melvin, CNN
Updated 7:48 AM ET, Sat October 3, 2015 | Video Source: CNN


"
—When Chris Mintz heard gunfire at Oregon's Umpqua Community College on Thursday, his thoughts were not of himself.

Instead, he thought first of protecting others. Then he thought of his 6-year-old son, Tyrik.

Nine people were killed when a gunman opened fire at the College on Thursday. Nine others were injured.

When the shooting broke out, Mintz, 30, a military veteran and a former high school football player in Randleman, North Carolina, tried to save the lives of others.

"Tries to block the door to keep the gunman from coming in," his aunt, Wanda Mintz, told Fox 8, a CNN affiliate in High Point, North Carolina.

"Gets shot three times," his aunt said. "Hits the floor."

"Looks up at the gunman and says, 'It's my son's birthday today,' " his aunt said.

Still, there was no mercy. The gunman shot Mintz again. It's not yet clear exactly how many more times, but both his legs are broken, said family members who talked to him by phone on his way into surgery.

"He's going to have to learn to walk again," Ariana Earnhardt, his cousin, told Fox 8. "But he walked away with his life, and that's more than so many other people did."


There's more to the story. A line about people on social media asking for people to remember the Tar Heel hero Chris Mintz, not the gunman. More about Chris in the hospital, his military service, etc.
Title: Re: Mass Media's influence in political campaigning and other disgusting acts
Post by: Buster's Uncle on October 03, 2015, 06:19:53 PM
So we had another shooting.

Yesterday, the local news where I am covered the Sheriff's press conference, as he explained that he would not speak the name of the perpetrator, so as not to glorify him or inspire copycats.

After the segment the local newslady says "His name was __________"
Needless to say, I was  :mad:

Then last night, my wife tells me I was right and reads me stuff from ______'s social media, praising the shooter I complained about last time, and a couple of other recent ones.

Of course, it's not just the news media, it's also the President. He seems to see political opportunity where I see tragedy, and where feces heads see national recognition from the POTUS.

Thanks Obama!
You were doing so well until the end.

How do you expect people who don't like having so many murder tools in circulation to behave when these senseless instances of murder using said tools pop up?  I say he's been derelict in his duty as Our Leader anytime he hasn't made such a speech following such an incident.
Title: Re: Mass Media's influence in political campaigning and other disgusting acts
Post by: Rusty Edge on October 03, 2015, 09:41:13 PM
So we had another shooting.

Yesterday, the local news where I am covered the Sheriff's press conference, as he explained that he would not speak the name of the perpetrator, so as not to glorify him or inspire copycats.

After the segment the local newslady says "His name was __________"
Needless to say, I was  :mad:

Then last night, my wife tells me I was right and reads me stuff from ______'s social media, praising the shooter I complained about last time, and a couple of other recent ones.

Of course, it's not just the news media, it's also the President. He seems to see political opportunity where I see tragedy, and where feces heads see national recognition from the POTUS.

Thanks Obama!
You were doing so well until the end.

How do you expect people who don't like having so many murder tools in circulation to behave when these senseless instances of murder using said tools pop up?  I say he's been derelict in his duty as Our Leader anytime he hasn't made such a speech following such an incident.

I guess if we agreed on everything we wouldn't learn much from reading each other, Buncle.   I'd be complaining if a Republican president were naming names and calling for an end of weapons free public places every time somebody got killed in one, too.

At least there is an emerging awareness and a glimmer of hope that people will leave names out in the future. Not the next time, but sometime soon after that.
Title: Re: Mass Media's influence in political campaigning and other disgusting acts
Post by: Buster's Uncle on October 03, 2015, 09:47:16 PM
Oh, ALWAYS.  When I'm emperor of the universe, the first set of proclamations will NOT omit that absolutely NO ONE EVER becomes famous EVER for murder EVER, most especially senseless stranger murders of this sort that have become a TREND since the mid 90s.

We're very much on the same page about not empowering certain acts and people with naming.
Title: Re: Mass Media's influence in political campaigning and other disgusting acts
Post by: Yitzi on October 04, 2015, 02:26:07 AM
Oh, ALWAYS.  When I'm emperor of the universe, the first set of proclamations will NOT omit that absolutely NO ONE EVER becomes famous EVER for murder EVER

Would this prohibit telling everyone all his most embarrassing and pathetic secrets?
Title: Re: Mass Media's influence in political campaigning and other disgusting acts
Post by: Buster's Uncle on October 04, 2015, 02:40:32 AM
...Slandering and laughing at them without let or mercy -making them look stupid and pathetic and ridiculous- would be the second-most promising approach to putting a stop to it, IMAO.  Embarrassment is an insanely powerful social force...
Title: Re: Mass Media's influence in political campaigning and other disgusting acts
Post by: vonbach on October 04, 2015, 03:22:08 PM
Quote
How do you expect people who don't like having so many murder tools in circulation to behave when these senseless instances of murder using said tools pop up?  I say he's been derelict in his duty as Our Leader anytime he hasn't made such a speech following such an incident.

You ever notice how these shootings seem to happen in places where they advertise "Gun free zones?"
Funny how they never seem to happen in places where they have open carry laws.
Title: Re: Mass Media's influence in political campaigning and other disgusting acts
Post by: Buster's Uncle on October 04, 2015, 03:30:35 PM
...But too many people are dead to shame...
Title: Re: Mass Media's influence in political campaigning and other disgusting acts
Post by: vonbach on October 04, 2015, 03:34:56 PM
This sort of thing is a great example of why gun control doesn't work.
The more the government tries to clamp down on guns the worse
crime gets.
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