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Title: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 05, 2015, 03:05:49 AM

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20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
GeeksterInk
By Andrew DeWitt via FanBread  /  July 30, 2015 



Medieval armor rules. I think we can all agree on that. There's something majestic and just plain awesome about seeing a full set of handcrafted chainmail or magical fantasy plate armor and imagining yourself as a total battle-hardened badass. But guess what, fellas? Ladies like to imagine themselves doing heroic feats of dopeness as well but for a long time their only representation in fantasy novels, films and comics was as some saucy tart with impossible cleavage, stuffed into a hilariously impractical chainmail bikini. Well, times are "a changing" and strong fighting women are coming to the forefront of pop culture. Embrace the power with this gallery of women in armor that would allow them the previously elusive ability of not running around a battlefield in a thong.


(http://a1.fanbread.com/uploads/image/file/9503/extra_large_05_SCA_Plate.jpg?a8c8695aa6e05f270f8a96336c8db734)
(source) (http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/615805-the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim/69171382)


(http://a1.fanbread.com/uploads/image/file/9504/extra_large_01_Brunette_Plate.jpg?34c9d08a678caa05f9243e9772cf4f98)
(source) (http://joyreactor.com/)


(http://a0.fanbread.com/uploads/image/file/9505/extra_large_04_Mulan.jpg?58079e07d20f222de0952ee3f2e06ec3)
(source) (http://scifi-tv.ru/series/once_upon_a_time/the_doctor.php)


(http://a0.fanbread.com/uploads/image/file/9506/extra_large_02_Plate_girl.jpg?f1f6aa474314626b74c39f0958474cbf)
(source) (http://geekxgirls.com/article.php?ID=1683)


(http://a3.fanbread.com/uploads/image/file/9507/extra_large_03_Red_head.jpg?890159c09806ac07129218692b93a830)
(source) (http://www.virginiahankins.com/)


(http://a0.fanbread.com/uploads/image/file/9508/extra_large_07_Kate.jpg?6375b24b23924c8b1257fefd80ecc580)
(source) (http://www.eyeswideciak.com/2013/05/citazione-cinematografica-n-261.html)


(http://a0.fanbread.com/uploads/image/file/9510/extra_large_06_winter_palte.jpg?d6c930938dd1f9f6d2cc7eff172bae64)
(source) (http://forum.bioware.com/topic/460898-mammary-separators/page-9)


(http://a3.fanbread.com/uploads/image/file/9511/extra_large_10_Armour_Up.jpg?d555b7d449c4a48a8e53585617657307)
(source) (http://viralearth.net/2014/12/04/female-armour-that-makes-sense/)


(http://a2.fanbread.com/uploads/image/file/9512/extra_large_08_Twilight.jpg?6161baad9141954bec31a3628ccf2ac9)
(source) (http://imaginationlane.net/blog/top-5-practical-fantasy-female-battle-outfits/)


(http://a3.fanbread.com/uploads/image/file/9509/extra_large_09_Brianne.jpg?1a0aea13c2ccdb01b3552ae3c857121e)
(source) (https://forums.daybreakgames.com/landmark/index.php?threads/landmark-armor-ideas.36963/page-3)


(http://a3.fanbread.com/uploads/image/file/9513/extra_large_15_Red_Painting.jpg?f47b12a7028e5bccc9a0c7ad1e7b6de5)
(source) (http://www.themarysue.com/for-anyone-still-wondering-yes-woman-can-wear-full-armor-too/)


(http://a3.fanbread.com/uploads/image/file/9514/extra_large_12_Viking_Woman.jpg?758e3965eaffb21e8946134c26753950)
(source) (http://viralearth.net/2014/12/04/female-armour-that-makes-sense/)


(http://a3.fanbread.com/uploads/image/file/9515/extra_large_14_Bizantine.jpg?41ff3621706b9fd5942ee7ae6548aa1d)
(source) (http://www.picslist.com/)


(http://a2.fanbread.com/uploads/image/file/9516/extra_large_11_Blonde_stripe_shirt.jpg?0ca5c27662dc28c60ade2a5daa4e95c3)
(source) (http://viralearth.net/2014/12/04/female-armour-that-makes-sense/)


(http://a0.fanbread.com/uploads/image/file/9517/extra_large_13_Spear_Woman.jpg?f06f764deb26aaa212d7faaa85dc94c1)
(source) (http://viralearth.net/2014/12/04/female-armour-that-makes-sense/)


(http://a1.fanbread.com/uploads/image/file/9519/extra_large_18_owl.jpg?ebdfad9e70ab31152385944063e6d6a4)
www.digdang.com (http://www.digdang.com)](source)[/url]


(http://a3.fanbread.com/uploads/image/file/9518/extra_large_17_Blonde_illustration_green.jpg?f8320be1032260c60e386f5781a84e12)
(source) (http://boingboing.net/2011/08/29/women-fighters-in-reasonable-armor.html)


(http://a3.fanbread.com/uploads/image/file/9520/extra_large_16_Spear_Leather.jpg?dc134c4baf6178cbd08785340891e83d)
(source) (http://www.amazon-warriors.com/)
photo by Olaf Winter



(http://a0.fanbread.com/uploads/image/file/9521/extra_large_20_Viking_Young.jpg?38aded327d7b398f0588d82642758728)
(source) (https://www.pinterest.com/pin/519180663266891468/)


(http://a0.fanbread.com/uploads/image/file/9522/extra_large_19_Viking_woman.jpg?b633747073aaf303bb483c505958b997)
(source) (http://geeksterink.com/blogs/20-images-of-women-in-practical-armor)

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All the chainmail's real, though the links in the last are ludicrously large.  The fourth pic is just a rubber suit with shoulder armor and some fake crap over it.

I considered just posting this in the Babe thread.

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Rusty Edge on August 05, 2015, 04:47:42 AM

I'm fine with the new thread.

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 05, 2015, 05:00:23 AM

I figured it'd get more play this way, and our wimminz might actually look...

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Eadee on August 05, 2015, 08:33:26 AM

Nice :)
Haven't seen many ladies in such heavy armor on a LARP. There are a few who really do run around in those ridiculous chainmail-bikini-style but most women I met tend to play roles that do not rely heavily on melee combat (mages, rangers, healers, assasins). So medevial dresses and leather armor are the most common outfit I saw there. Also a reasonable chainmail here and there but when it comes to plating, I can't remember seeing any besides ones covering arms below ellbows and / or legs below the knee.

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Valka on August 11, 2015, 10:50:26 AM

Quote from: BUncle on August 05, 2015, 05:00:23 AM

I figured it'd get more play this way, and our wimminz might actually look...

What, all three of us?  :P

The fourth from the top is from one of the Joan of Arc movies. That's Leelee Sobieski in the photo.

The chainmail bikini thing... well, I consider Larry Elmore to be one of the best of the AD&D artists, but he's very fond of putting his female subjects into the most ridiculously revealing outfits. It doesn't even have to be a fighter - a cleric, elf, or mage who runs around showing cleavage and bare midriffs, which are exactly the places most likely to be fatal if stuck with anything sharp is not someone I'd feel safe adventuring with. They're apt to get killed at a really inconvenient moment.

As for RL chainmail bikinis, one of the people who shared my hotel room at a Calgary SF convention decided to wear a chainmail bikini all weekend. She opted for no underwear (or at least it was skimpy enough that it couldn't be seen), and collected an entourage of guys who followed her around all weekend... including into our hotel room at 4 am.

At one point on Saturday afternoon some of us opted to go across the street to grab some food at Arby's, and we wore our costumes. There were four of us, and I'm pretty sure the reason one guy stopped in the middle of the intersection to stare at us wasn't due to my costume (Majipoori court dress; I was dressed head to toe in a long green medieval-style gown with white and gold trim and a matching headdress and veil). Thank goodness no car accidents happened, but my roommate nearly had one on the way to the restaurant. The chainmail bikini was in danger of falling off, and all she had with her to use as a cover was a thin cape.

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 11, 2015, 02:26:33 PM

Four, but you're the only one who participates much...

I stopped going out in my renfair working clothes early on -nobody ever saw me in a costume, and I think the distinction was part of my success- 'cause I'll freak out the squares when I'm getting paid to, though I did sometimes get seen pumping gas in tights on my way home.

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Rusty Edge on August 11, 2015, 03:42:18 PM

Chain mail bikini with no underwear?
That reminds me of a medallion on a chain I brought home from Corinth. It was a replica Alexander the Great coin. I wore it all the time. Thing is, it was quite the heat conductor. If it were exposed to radiant heat, or cold air, that thing get  really uncomfortable really fast. Painful even.

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 11, 2015, 03:59:26 PM

I never made a chainmail bikini.  -I think much of the trick would be trying to make it self-supporting; I've seen some at refairs actually along the lines of a bikini, which is how you naturally think of it, but the trick that would actually work on some vaguely practical level a lady could move around in would be more of a sleeveless halter with full shoulder coverage and a boob window in front.  The loincloth part would have sort of a granny waist.

The Red Sonya look not only doesn't work as armor; a woman with a chest worth showing off couldn't even move around in it, but would still look pretty good in my configuration, and the non-zero armor value would be a lot higher.  I'll try to get around to making and posting a crude drawing of what just designed itself in my head...

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: vonbach on August 11, 2015, 11:25:55 PM

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Chain mail bikini with no underwear?

Ouch that would be painful. I'm curious how long a woman could
even wear amor like that. Its exhausting to wear.

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Valka on August 12, 2015, 12:16:40 AM

She managed for at least half the weekend, and finally got dressed in normal clothes on Sunday.

This wasn't the only time she wore this outfit; hopefully she added underwear for the Thanksgiving weekend convention. That was the one where we ended up sharing the hotel with a political leadership convention, and honestly, we were treated better the year we shared the hotel with a bunch of Jehovah's Witnesses!

Title: Chicks in Chainmail
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 12, 2015, 04:30:26 AM

I feel another project thread and some ferocious blisters coming on...

Okay, I'm made several camails over the years - they're not too big or tough to do, not that heavy, and they look incredibly cool as a costume piece.

(http://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=16754.0;attach=16401;image)

That's Buster's, now - I used to keep it with my renfair gear in case I wanted to add just a touch of armor to my look for a gag or a new character.  When the show's a thousand miles from home, you have to be prepared or do without.

That one has a neck hole that's the absolute minimum I can reasonably get it on and of - and I need to turn it sideways to do that (it has a bit of an oblong shape because of where I concentrated the row expansion links).

I don't have the one I did it with anymore -rennies are scum- but it's a simple matter to extend the neck-hole upwards semi-cylindrically, turning it into a camail-gorget.  You need to leave the front open and lace it for that to work.  It looks even cooler with a collar added.

-And THERE is where the design that sprung from my head like Pallas Athena this morning began:  (Click on her to see full size w/o the black.)

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Dio on August 12, 2015, 04:34:00 AM

I presently enjoy the armor of the sixth photo even though it appears to have unnecessary adornment.

Title: Chicks in Chainmail
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 12, 2015, 04:54:44 AM

Good to know I made such an impression. ;sarc  Continuing on my design...


(http://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=16754.0;attach=16399;image)

-This is bad armor, but the best practical design I've ever seen for the sexy warrior woman look, and at least the neck and shoulders are sensibly protected.

It should be worn over a sports bra altered to have a chest window, possibly with a pushup bra sewn in for good measure.  Chainmail doesn't weigh nothin' and a girl ought to take good care of the girls.

I tried to give a sense of depth in the drawing, but the chest window is to be a simple straight-edge diamond shape, blunter angle in the bottom.

Note the red bows.  The neck has to be open and laced, and since the intent is sexy, big loud-colored bows tied make a virtue of it.  The bottom of the top may or may not need to be open, but it needs two rows of ribbon/string to snug it under the bust and hug the ribs - chainmail is very forgiving about fit running downhill, but it wants to hang straight below the widest point, which doesn't look hot or flatter the form; and tapering it downwards/inward at that point would make it impossible-to-almost to get the shoulders through, so more lacing and another bow.

From the waist to the hips is a shape chainmail will hug nicely, and chainmail hangs wider on wider people and longer on skinny people, as a guest who is considerably taller and thinner than me found out in February when he put on a mail shirt I made to fit me.  But threading and tying off at the waist will make it even more one-size-fits-all, and a BIG red bow on one hip says "this comes right off".  (The lady's sword, however, says "BE POLITE, KNUCKLEHEAD.")


I can't help it - I have to make this thing.  I just don't know what I'll do for a bikini-body shape to do fittings on and work the bugs out - and take pictures to show...

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Dio on August 12, 2015, 05:10:50 AM

I noticed the model in your drawing contains hair with a red-orange (ginger) color. The less than modestly clad model from BUncle's imagination strikes again :P.

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 12, 2015, 05:16:34 AM

I was drawing on a silhouette, and it looked better if I made the front and back of the head obvious with the hair, and chainmail bikini is Red Sonja's signature thing, so red hair - I wanted to make it a long, tousled mane, but need to show the design more...

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Rusty Edge on August 12, 2015, 05:24:35 AM

"I can't help it - I have to make this thing.  I just don't know what I'll do for a bikini-body shape to do fittings on and work the bugs out - and take pictures to show..."

Google female torso mannequin. There's affordable stuff on E-bay, etc.
I found an inflatable silver one, but realized it might not withstand wearing wire clothing.  ;lol

Ultimately looking at too many mannequin faces gave me the creeps in a Twilight Zone kind of way.

Good Luck!

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 12, 2015, 05:30:39 AM

Haven't the foggiest what I'll do with it when I'm done, either -Buster's already 12, and her mother's big in the chest, so probably give it to her in a few years (w/ a lot of chainmail added, mind you)- so spending any money is out of the question.  You'd be amazed how cheaply I can do this...  (Also, no fun, fitting a mannequin.)

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A few more things about the bottoms;  I could've gone more open up the sides, but I swear it'll ride more comfortably with a granny waist to distribute the weight - and a lady needs coverage so she can wear something under, or porno-time at the LARP or con when she walks and the flaps move.

(http://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=16754.0;attach=16399;image)

(I did renfairs for a lot of years.  I've. seen. things. you people wouldn't believe.  Hippies taking showers together w/o the curtains drawn.  Warn-weather fairs out west with costumes on customers that taught me not all skin is good skin.  The time Wet Dream Barbie spent the day at Hawkwood (I swear it was Amber Michaels of actual pornography fame.  I probably wouldn't have kissed her if I'd recognized her, but GOOD GOD, some things are WORTH dying for....)

I recommend something like the thick shorts-panties cheerleaders wear to protect their modesty, after their cheerleader fashion.

Do not wear this if you plan to run - you can run just fine, but those flaps flapping will be incredibly annoying, and they're heavy enough to bruise your legs.

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 12, 2015, 05:58:24 AM

...I guarantee this sucker will wear COMFORTABLE as armor and chainmail bikinis of armor-grade-links/weight go.  It's designed to  put the weight on sloping parts of the body the mail hugs...

I've only seen them done in the light jewelry-grade links chainmail dealers at renfairs do the decorative stuff in.

The beauty of this?  On a cold day out, a chainmail BIKINI-bikini would look stupid as heck over clothes, but put on some tights and fur-top boots, and this would look SO awesome over a simple crotch-length tunic w/ a blanket cloak.

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 12, 2015, 08:19:17 AM

Quote from: Dio on August 12, 2015, 05:10:50 AM

I noticed the model in your drawing contains hair with a red-orange (ginger) color. The less than modestly clad model from BUncle's imagination strikes again :P.

(http://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=16754.0;attach=16404;image)

I don't know what you're talking about...

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Dio on August 12, 2015, 02:33:34 PM

The emotion icon's equivalent of a mannequin  ;....  :D

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 13, 2015, 01:22:30 AM

Okay Valka, what have I done wrong this time?  This chainmail project is so you it just got into an argument with a troll on YouTube.  Nothing to say?

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Valka on August 13, 2015, 08:00:10 AM

WHAT???  ???

I have absolutely no idea what you mean. Seriously, I can't tell if you're joking about something or genuinely upset about something.

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 13, 2015, 01:00:23 PM

I'm just surprised you've had nothing to say about my armor design.

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Unorthodox on August 14, 2015, 03:37:06 AM

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I just don't know what I'll do for a bikini-body shape to do fittings on and work the bugs out - and take pictures to show...

dress forms go for about $20. 

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Unorthodox on August 14, 2015, 03:46:42 AM

ok, make that $8.

(click to show/hide)

https://www.google.com/shopping/product/3350465459218754873?q=dressmaking+mannequin&biw=1517&bih=714&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.&ion=1&espv=2&tch=1&ech=1&psi=D1TNVYKLGdLGogSJkaiQDA.1439520209988.5&prds=paur:ClkAsKraX0sP6RR11M8Kwfuw4MFOGAxhqjo-V4gvZKGCEn-_VzcHRTaArDVXqCiJBSkXbX81kna_9suhOtAzQSM4CMGprVQY0lhnVHCPrLWvHr9GeJgC0hQQLxIZAFPVH71xSycYd_d30DXNnNUIbGDiNK3vHw&ved=0CG4Qpis4FGoVChMIpv_e5sanxwIVhk-SCh3rPQGg&ei=9FXNVaa1NYafyQTr-4SACg (https://www.google.com/shopping/product/3350465459218754873?q=dressmaking+mannequin&biw=1517&bih=714&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.&ion=1&espv=2&tch=1&ech=1&psi=D1TNVYKLGdLGogSJkaiQDA.1439520209988.5&prds=paur:ClkAsKraX0sP6RR11M8Kwfuw4MFOGAxhqjo-V4gvZKGCEn-_VzcHRTaArDVXqCiJBSkXbX81kna_9suhOtAzQSM4CMGprVQY0lhnVHCPrLWvHr9GeJgC0hQQLxIZAFPVH71xSycYd_d30DXNnNUIbGDiNK3vHw&ved=0CG4Qpis4FGoVChMIpv_e5sanxwIVhk-SCh3rPQGg&ei=9FXNVaa1NYafyQTr-4SACg)

I believe this is the female equivalent to my male forms, however and there is no back on them 

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Unorthodox on August 14, 2015, 03:48:06 AM

ok, link busted the thread....

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 14, 2015, 04:08:40 AM

I'd need a back.

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Unorthodox on August 14, 2015, 04:27:12 AM

I mache that...

Title: Charming in Chainmail
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 14, 2015, 04:55:59 AM

Chainmail is seriously not weightless.



Below, add a cloak, and you're looking all hot and cool, able to take some pretty coldish weather.  A bodice in the middle, instead of the sash, would probably be warmer and might look armor-y, depending on the bodice.

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Dio on August 14, 2015, 05:20:12 AM

I hope that model works as one of Santa's Helpers this year with the fancy new green and red color scheme.  ;lol

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 14, 2015, 06:37:22 AM

Santa's enforcer...

(http://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=16754.0;attach=16437;image)

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Rusty Edge on August 14, 2015, 07:40:57 AM

I think she should lose the sash and wear a sword.

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Valka on August 14, 2015, 11:17:57 AM

Quote from: BUncle on August 13, 2015, 01:00:23 PM

I'm just surprised you've had nothing to say about my armor design.

I've been distracted by running Iron Pen (voting ends Saturday morning, at which time I'll announce the winner/not-winner and some closing remarks). And I was in the mood for some reading, so I've just gotten back from Mars, courtesy of one of my Ben Bova novels.

I've been thinking about this, though, and will post some comments on Saturday.

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Unorthodox on August 14, 2015, 12:00:55 PM

lose the white wtf at the knee, switch the green to navy, the gloves to black, give her a flail, and call her Nemo.  (extremely obscure, I know, don't expect anyone to know that one.  One of Uther's knights.)

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 14, 2015, 01:14:23 PM

I hereby call her Nemo.

I thought I knew my Arthurian mythos - this is definitely from that magic kings game you like, isn't it?

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 14, 2015, 08:08:47 PM

You suck, Uno - I turned your request around in 20 minutes or so -I did most of the work on the non-fur version of the boots last night, coincidentally- and you've been by multiple times w/o having a look and saying anything.

-In the plus column, Mylochka loved your variation, and we're going to make a Poser model...

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Unorthodox on August 14, 2015, 09:54:28 PM

Quote from: BUncle on August 14, 2015, 01:14:23 PM

I hereby call her Nemo.

I thought I knew my Arthurian mythos - this is definitely from that magic kings game you like, isn't it?

Hell no.  Far too obscure for the game.  In fact, googling won't help either. 

She never lived long enough to be a knight of the round table.  In fact she performs the suicide mission to kill Gorlois while Uther is busy with Igraine because she knows if he don't die the war's not going to stop. 

The red boots were for Uther's personal guard, despite the blue being the accepted army color. 

I've been by but not free to browse.  ;) 

Origin in Jack Whyte's Camulod Chronicles, but claims her actions as those of an unnamed knight's from the Vulgate Chronicles and Le Muerte de Artur.  Camulod Chronicles are pretty decent read, if sometimes long.  Attempts to be historically plausible, less mystical. 

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 14, 2015, 11:28:48 PM

Well, for a Lady Knight in that (fictionalized) milieu, the armor's all wrong.  She would have lost the chest window and the loincloth flaps and worn a full mail shirt - or at least the upper part w/o chest hole closed over a quilted gambeson and/or cuir bouilli leather armor, (the latter of which is probably the best bet for something vaguely form-fitting for hotness purposes).

Much depends on how late the particular version of Arthur is set, of course.  Bits of plate circa the 1200s would make some things easy, and reason that a woman fighter has to rely on speed and fight light, which I do for these bikini-esque purposes.  If there had been a real Nemo, she probably would have worn something Roman.  I don't know that the civilized Britons had any of their own armor style variations left by the 500s...

But chick knight, so why bring realism into it?

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Unorthodox on August 14, 2015, 11:52:58 PM

 

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If there had been a real Nemo, she probably would have worn something Roman.

Yep, actually. 

The books begin with the Romans leaving England, and Camulod is a bunch that stay behind. 

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But chick knight, so why bring realism into it?

In the books, Uther is the son of one of the Romans that intermarried with the locals.  Nemo joins when they begin to train locals, and the issue of her being female is brought up by the Romans, and shot down by the locals.  You wouldn't know she's a chick once in her armor in the books.  (Short black hair and fugly, but that's kinda not the point here for your project.) 

Why do I bring it up?  Cause she's been my go to warrior character in any RPG for ages, and always opting for the most realistic armor the game allows. 

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 15, 2015, 12:05:59 AM

Yes, Arturus Dux Bellorum and all that.

I still must never have seen anything about Nemo, 'cause this should have jarred it loose.  The only knight of Uther's I remember from Mallory is --- Ulfas, was it?

Again, for realism, you want real armor, but lightest possible - cuir bouilli torso/shoulder/neck armor, maybe arm and leg half-plates strapped on, maybe not.  No horse-and-lance action -she shouldn't be heavy enough- and a light sword for speed, so no fighting heavily-plated/equipped strapping male opponents w/o a lot of room to maneuver and time to find/strike at chinks enough to win.

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 15, 2015, 12:16:00 AM

Sir Ulfius, googling tells me...

BTW, what we think of as Roman wasn't by the 500s, certainly not in northern theaters after hundreds of years experience...

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Unorthodox on August 15, 2015, 05:25:34 AM

Ulfias is the base of many of my online names as well...

I have a copy of Mallory's work that is far more substantial than the one available online.  I don't know why...I'll have to dig it out and figure it out somehow.  2700 page monstrosity, that. 

The Camulod books make the claim that stirrups were the primary technological advantage of the knights (where older saddles didn't have them), allowing them to stand in the saddle and thus lend much more strength to their swings.  It goes through a lot of the changing equipment as well, but I'm 10+ years removed from the last time I read them (VERY detailed books on the equipment and tactics). 

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Valka on August 16, 2015, 09:16:21 AM

Quote from: BUncle on August 14, 2015, 11:28:48 PM

But chick knight, so why bring realism into it?

A comment like that would earn you more than a few dirty looks at an SCA fighters' practice. Any women fighters are expected to go for authenticity every bit as much as the men (within reason, of course). That means the cut-out chainmail in the model above would definitely not be approved for entering the lists.

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 16, 2015, 01:11:51 PM

Hey - the first thing I said was that it was bad armor.  The midriff exposure is right out, too, and the loin flaps are a joke.  It's just better armor than a bikini-cut Red Sonya getup.  If I was a woman and actually going to get in real for-keeps sword fights, leather armor and speed, as I told Uno above.

And did you see the Celebrity Boxing when Chyna the wrestler took on Joey Buttafuco?

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Mylochka on August 16, 2015, 08:35:43 PM

BU requested that I try to do a version of his Chain Mail design for Poser.  Here is actually try #2...

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 16, 2015, 08:47:29 PM

(http://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=16754.0;attach=16447;image)

;b;  That's a big improvement.

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Valka on August 16, 2015, 08:53:08 PM

Quote from: BUncle on August 16, 2015, 01:11:51 PM

Hey - the first thing I said was that it was bad armor.  The midriff exposure is right out, too, and the loin flaps are a joke.  It's just better armor than a bikini-cut Red Sonya getup.  If I was a woman and actually going to get in real for-keeps sword fights, leather armor and speed, as I told Uno above.

And did you see the Celebrity Boxing when Chyna the wrestler took on Joey Buttafuco?

I don't watch sports unless it's the Olympics, and even then I don't watch either boxing or wrestling.

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Mylochka on August 16, 2015, 08:59:45 PM

Quote from: BUncle on August 16, 2015, 08:47:29 PM

(http://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=16754.0;attach=16447;image)

;b;  That's a big improvement.

Okay, good!  I've still got to fix the back....

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 16, 2015, 09:08:22 PM

Much better start, but it's still a little sleeve-y under the arms - the mail comes back together below her armpits, maybe lower than the bottom of the chest window when her arms are at her side.  I'll have to put some thought into making sure arm-raising doesn't pull up on the bodice.  It's a costume piece, but the point is getting a bit more realistic, so I want stuff like that to work for realz..

Quote from: Valka on August 16, 2015, 08:53:08 PM

Quote from: BUncle on August 16, 2015, 01:11:51 PM

Hey - the first thing I said was that it was bad armor.  The midriff exposure is right out, too, and the loin flaps are a joke.  It's just better armor than a bikini-cut Red Sonya getup.  If I was a woman and actually going to get in real for-keeps sword fights, leather armor and speed, as I told Uno above.

And did you see the Celebrity Boxing when Chyna the wrestler took on Joey Buttafuco?

I don't watch sports unless it's the Olympics, and even then I don't watch either boxing or wrestling.

Well; it's obvious to the most casual observer that that large woman spends about 20 times as much time in the gym as that chubby wad she was fighting.  He didn't take it seriously, kept just putting his right glove on top of her head and grinning like the utter piece of crap he is, and it was no contest, even with the judges hating him for his [feminine washing] behavior.  It was sad (not least because everyone went in hoping he'd get beat up).

I'm sure your SCA friends could humiliate me utterly, but then I'm not competent with a sword.  If I was merely competent, they'd have to be really good and very much faster to do better than a draw, I think; the universe, and I mean no slight whatsoever to the exceptions in this, built most women with their strengths in areas other than violence.  [shrugs]  It made me better than most men at violence, but I'd certainly be a more well person today if I'd gotten social skills like talking my way out of fights instead.

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Valka on August 16, 2015, 09:21:47 PM

Which kind of sword do you mean? SCA fighters' practices and tournaments are done with rattan swords, for safety reasons.

Any real swords worn at SCA events are purely ceremonial and never to be used in fights. So while some people do wear them, they're only for show.

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 16, 2015, 09:27:03 PM

Like the armor in question.  Only for show.

I didn't have any particular sort of sword in mind.

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 17, 2015, 03:35:47 PM

...BTW Val, I'm a bit hurt that you nit-pick an undiplomatic statement I made and display no interest so far in the design I slaved over drawing and explaining...

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Mylochka on August 17, 2015, 11:59:05 PM

Lengthened the bodice a little.  You can't see it from this picture, but I actually got rid of the sleeves and widened the opening for the sleeve.  This costume model clings to the shoulder when the shoulder bends.  If you look closely, you'll see the mail is stretched over the shoulder a little. 

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Dio on August 18, 2015, 12:14:57 AM

Her eyes, head position, and hands all indicate to me that she is thinking "Why are you interrupting me? Why is this bright light shining in my eyes? Why are you looking at me?"

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 18, 2015, 01:37:03 AM

This just in-

;notes; ;shake BUSter :danc: likes ;shake my :danc: chainmail  ;shake DRAWings! :danc: ;notes;
;notes; :danc: BUSter ;shake likes :danc: my ;shake: chainmail :danc: DRAWings! ;shake ;notes;

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Dio on August 18, 2015, 02:18:22 AM

Quote from: BUncle on August 18, 2015, 01:37:03 AM

This just in-

;notes; ;shake BUSter :danc: likes ;shake my :danc: chainmail  ;shake DRAWings! :danc: ;notes;
;notes; :danc: BUSter ;shake likes :danc: my ;shake: chainmail :danc: DRAWings! ;shake ;notes;

I imagine, based upon the post above, that Buster giving you praise provides delight.

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 18, 2015, 02:19:35 AM

;nod A little bit, yes. ;nod

Buster bothering to talk to me provides delight.  She didn't exactly learn good manners about that from her parents or anything...

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 18, 2015, 03:50:42 AM

Oh poo.

I just realized that the first thing I have to do on this in RL is make one of doll mail...

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Eadee on August 18, 2015, 08:19:03 AM

Quote from: BUncle on August 18, 2015, 03:50:42 AM

Oh poo.

I just realized that the first thing I have to do on this in RL is make one of doll mail...

;lol

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Mylochka on August 20, 2015, 04:23:22 PM

I tried adding the clothing under the chain mail last night.  Not too thrilled with my results... I think I"m going to switch over and try some brown, leather-y textures... All apologies to the original designer...

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Unorthodox on August 20, 2015, 05:37:07 PM

That's looking pretty good.  Think the mail just needs to come "up" a bit so it appears to be thicker than/on top of the cloth, rather than the present transition. 

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Mylochka on August 20, 2015, 08:45:19 PM

Yes, I can create a displacement map that will make the mail a little more dimensional.  That should improve the look.

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Valka on August 24, 2015, 05:33:16 AM

Quote from: BUncle on August 17, 2015, 03:35:47 PM

...BTW Val, I'm a bit hurt that you nit-pick an undiplomatic statement I made and display no interest so far in the design I slaved over drawing and explaining...

When I've got time, I'll re-read the thread from the start.

It's not a lack of interest in this, but lack of time to be everywhere.

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Mylochka on September 08, 2015, 08:35:33 PM

I like the look of this armor.  Don't know how practical it is...

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 08, 2015, 08:54:40 PM

Bits of chainmail over/edging cuir boli leather could work - but they had to do loose strips of chainmail down the front.  That's a close-and-looks-nice, but no, ma'am.


-I'm going to try to start on a doll-scale rendition of my armor design today.  There are to be pictures and how-to instructions in the project thread I plan...

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Rusty Edge on September 08, 2015, 09:20:59 PM

I like that picture, too.
Great. I'm looking forward to the new thread.

Title: Re: 20 Images of Women in Practical Armor
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 08, 2015, 09:28:40 PM

Oh, it LOOKS great.  I love her celtic hair, her complexion fits the northern-looking setting, and so does the armor style, somewhat.  -That's just a couple pounds of valuable metal in a useless configuration down the front that cost someone HOURS to make and sew on (for ornamental value)?