You have to say "hello" first and observe the courtesies. It's a game, and the rules say you have to be indirect, or the burger goes in the trash. -Even in a bar, which is lax(er) party rules. Even I know that.Was that during your time working at the Ren Fair (sp?). It seems odd to me that people get paid for that, since I'm used to the SCA where guys flirt just because they want to, or because it's part of their persona.
I was a funny one to end up flirting for a living for a while, that's for sure - and it was edumacational, to say the least - and I was very good at it, to my surprise.
Okay, here's the thing; I posted that video for you and I want your input.It would require being rude, and I don't wish to be rude.I had something to say about this, but have decided not to say it. Just please don't let this sort of thing cross over into the Lolcat thread.I wish you would say it.
This place is a locker room, and we instantly went to a piggy joke - I think Avalon, a decent man, would admit that, and I do freely. The video only gave examples of stranger offers, and my remarks focused on that and my own experience/observation related. It's more complex issue than the video displays, but then it was about a woman's frustrations, not the frustrations that feed into the men acting like such buttholes, and that's okay.
The forum courtesy issue is another complex one where context is crucial, and I worry that I've been too militant in the past about steering members away from discussing disagreements for fear of acrimony to the ultimate detriment of a robust OT community. Let me say that I don't think we're really pigs, I mean not hopeless ones. (Except metaliturtle.) I've never been a woman, and I want to understand better. I'm willing to listen, and the standard of courtesy among friends is different; I wouldn't have taken that swipe at Gamera on the line above, otherwise. I didn't take it wrong when you sent me those angry PMs at CFC when you had the IP-ban trouble here - and I would have from not-a-friend. Have at me. You have friend privileges with me, and I've not been a paragon of feminist thought here for all that my motivation of starting this thread was on those noble lines.
We can talk it over. It'll work out. Disagreement and working at finding the truth makes the world more interesting ;nod Thanks.
Sorry Valka, you are banned from using this forum!What would you think if you had been a regular member on a forum and been greeted with a message like this? If I hadn't had another way to contact you, how would I ever have been able to get back in?
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...I apologize. The wink smiley was supposed to convey irony; also, I don't use "amirite" except ironically, but people may not know that.
As to the video posted in the OP of this thread... it was the use of cheeseburgers and the "haz cheeseburgers" comment that angered me. For me, associating something that's supposed to be innocent fun (lolcats and captioning) with sexism is not something I find appealing or funny.
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...I apologize. The wink smiley was supposed to convey irony; also, I don't use "amirite" except ironically, but people may not know that.
As to the video posted in the OP of this thread... it was the use of cheeseburgers and the "haz cheeseburgers" comment that angered me. For me, associating something that's supposed to be innocent fun (lolcats and captioning) with sexism is not something I find appealing or funny.
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I'm glad that you decided to comment.
*fans self*[Giant :D] Hun, you just made my day. Hearing that never gets old, especially at my age, for all that the years have been kind.
Okay, you'll do. ;)
When I was in Peru a few years back (I had work teaching English to office workers, didn't pan out long-term), I had a doorman ask me to give him some good English words to say to hot women who passed him by. This caused something of a dilemma. One the one hand, that's just boorish. On the other, cultures vary, Latin America is big on machismo, and maybe women there just shrugged it off, IDK. And I didn't want to lecture this dude I barely knew about good Gringo manners or anything. I settled for asking him, in a sincerely curious tone, if it was okay for men to do that here, because in America that kind of thing makes women hate you and may get you slapped.What's wrong with "Good morning/afternoon/evening"?
He assured me that no, it was fine, and pressed me for a really good catcall. I was pretty much stuck waiting there until my appointment time with the client inside his building came up, and I didn't want to offend this dude since I ran into him before practically every class. OTOH, it's not like I keep up with what all the drunks and bums are saying to random chicks these days, and I didn't want to teach him anything really vile. I settled for telling him "hey, pretty lady," which I figured nobody would find horribly offensive, and then mercifully the meeting time came around. Thankfully, he did not bring up the subject again.
Sorting through my renfair junk, I found a montage shot on a 3.5 floppy -OF COURSE I didn't find most of the pictures I used to have- and I don't love that big closeup, but it's me caught in the act hand-kissing a lady. Note that I'm looking up at her eyes, not the hand, and talking to her. The next looks pretty good, I daresay, and I see that I can date it and the previous shot to probably October 1995 at the Carolina Renaissance Fair; the length of my hair, the knee breaches not tights, and the size of the tabard give it away.BUncle again appears all fancy in his renaissance fair clothing while likely recollecting in the present about his life in that temporally distant land. Meanwhile, the last time I saw a floppy disk was at least five years ago .
The bottom shot would be 1999 at Hawkwood near Fort Worth, Texas. The smaller tabard Mom made. Tights. The flatter sign. My first gig as a stage act. Two women I don't recall at all looking at them, (though they look to be participants, probably a washer wench act,) and the Fairy Godfather. He was a bit bigger than me, looked like that, and brandished the plastic cigar you can make out badly in the shot. He didn't have a lot in the way of jokes, just a semi-lame Italian accent, but all he had the do was show up looking like himself in a pink tutu and everyone lost it. The man is a Legend in Texas renfairs.
-Which reminds me that this is the year that I found out a gag I'd tossed off and given away to a playtron a couple years past had gotten over in a really big way. A fellow who went by Merlin, and you just imagined correctly the look he sported, was sitting in front of the shop I worked in eating a turkey leg, finished it down to only a little skin on the handle bone, asked "What do I do with this?" I assume he was asking where a trashcan was, but I said "Walk about holding it aloft, declaiming in your loudest voice 'USED TURKEY LEG! USED TURKEY LEG FOR SALE!'"
He did so and was able to sell it to a laughing patron for a quarter ten minutes later.
For some reason, the subject of Turkey Legs Are Funny came up with the Entertainment Director after I got on cast two years later, and I mentioned Merlin and the Used Turkey Leg Gag - Dave said "Oh yeah; Merlin's a legend for that."
Well, my ego runneth over, but some frustration at not being able to claim credit without undermining Merlin; I DID let him go on being a Legend... [shrugs]