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Roland posted 12-28-98 10:33 AM ET
Recently, I've been bringing up some hoaxes about pomo ("postmodern") stuff. Some of this was from computer generated papers following the pattern of that particular style of writing (now I sound pomo myself...).
But I just came across this in a journal; it's serious, but it sounds just like the computer generated stuff:
"The traditional definition of sovereignty as "the highest power within a political community" conceals the pattern of representation characteristic of political rationality: investing power in political actors within a community requires removing sovereignty to a point beyond that community whence the exercise of power can be conditioned or limited. This double movement of investure and divesture reveals that political power mediates absence and presence, transcendence and imminence, generality and particularity. Mediation is not a specifically political phenomenon; according to Ernst Cassirer, it defines the symbolic relation human beings entertain with reality. Building on Cassirer's philosophy of symbolic forms, this paper examines how symbolization sheds light on the concept of power and justifies sovereignty as a necessary political category."
Only thing missing is: "... we are facing a choice...". Is it just me, or is "Hirnwichserei" (german, meaning approx.: "brain masturbation") the appropriate term for this ? 20 % content, 80 % blablarubbish...
Opinions ?
BigER posted 12-28-98 10:38 AM ET
Roland, are you speaking of anyone in particular?

There is vocal masterbation
there is mental masterbation
and there is physical masterbation
Which one do you think occupys the most time for the average human.

Roland, I like your style. keep up the good work.
Roland posted 12-28-98 10:49 AM ET
Thanks, and I'm not thinking of anyone particular, but please do not ask such difficult questions like "Which one do you think occupys the most time for the average human."
You know, when talking about mastu(e?)rbation, we are facing a choice... it is a way to construct reality while deconstructing imaginition, but both are the same as shown by the works of Earnest Blablaquatschi... ehm... yeah... whatever...
BigER posted 12-28-98 04:37 PM ET
OK OK sorry I just had to add to the confusion. It's my nature!
and yes it is true I can not spell! the curse of dyslexia!
Anyway, try this quote sometime when someone is ranting at you. "Sir, I consider you to be a student of rhetoric inebriated(sp) by your own verbosity"
AUH20 posted 12-28-98 04:43 PM ET
Roland-
Here in the US, a physicist submitted an article to a left-wing deconstrunctonist magazine(Social Review, I think, I'll get the title later-it's from a George Will article I saved) applying deconstructionism to physics. He completely BS'd all the information he used, but the magazine accepted and published it as a serious article, even though it was parody.
Roland posted 12-29-98 02:58 AM ET
You mean:
Alan Sokal, Transgressing the boundaries: towards a transformative hermeneutics of quantum gravity. in: social text.
I mentioned it somewhere when DCA realised that some of the big quotes I had used were computer generated. Caused a real science war; unbloody, so far...
The problem is that among all the pomo catch phrases, substance is so much reduced and hidden, that no one realises when it totally lacks any substance. For example, the essence of the initial thing I quoted here should be: "There is no good reason supporting the concept of sovereignty, but good reason for some people to make it up."
Well, right wing rantings aren't that funny... or do you know any good stuff from that direction ?
BigER posted 12-29-98 01:24 PM ET
It doesn't appear that anyone is posting here anymore. Perhaps letting sleeping dogs lie? lye? lay?
To bad this was funny stuff!
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Author	Topic: pomo talk
Roland	posted 12-28-98 10:33 AM ET Recently, I've been bringing up some hoaxes about pomo ("postmodern") stuff. Some of this was from computer generated papers following the pattern of that particular style of writing (now I sound pomo myself...). But I just came across this in a journal; it's serious, but it sounds just like the computer generated stuff: "The traditional definition of sovereignty as "the highest power within a political community" conceals the pattern of representation characteristic of political rationality: investing power in political actors within a community requires removing sovereignty to a point beyond that community whence the exercise of power can be conditioned or limited. This double movement of investure and divesture reveals that political power mediates absence and presence, transcendence and imminence, generality and particularity. Mediation is not a specifically political phenomenon; according to Ernst Cassirer, it defines the symbolic relation human beings entertain with reality. Building on Cassirer's philosophy of symbolic forms, this paper examines how symbolization sheds light on the concept of power and justifies sovereignty as a necessary political category." Only thing missing is: "... we are facing a choice...". Is it just me, or is "Hirnwichserei" (german, meaning approx.: "brain masturbation") the appropriate term for this ? 20 % content, 80 % blablarubbish... Opinions ?
BigER	posted 12-28-98 10:38 AM ET Roland, are you speaking of anyone in particular? There is vocal masterbation there is mental masterbation and there is physical masterbation Which one do you think occupys the most time for the average human. Roland, I like your style. keep up the good work.
Roland	posted 12-28-98 10:49 AM ET Thanks, and I'm not thinking of anyone particular, but please do not ask such difficult questions like "Which one do you think occupys the most time for the average human." You know, when talking about mastu(e?)rbation, we are facing a choice... it is a way to construct reality while deconstructing imaginition, but both are the same as shown by the works of Earnest Blablaquatschi... ehm... yeah... whatever...
BigER	posted 12-28-98 04:37 PM ET OK OK sorry I just had to add to the confusion. It's my nature! and yes it is true I can not spell! the curse of dyslexia! Anyway, try this quote sometime when someone is ranting at you. "Sir, I consider you to be a student of rhetoric inebriated(sp) by your own verbosity"
AUH20	posted 12-28-98 04:43 PM ET Roland- Here in the US, a physicist submitted an article to a left-wing deconstrunctonist magazine(Social Review, I think, I'll get the title later-it's from a George Will article I saved) applying deconstructionism to physics. He completely BS'd all the information he used, but the magazine accepted and published it as a serious article, even though it was parody.
Roland	posted 12-29-98 02:58 AM ET You mean: Alan Sokal, Transgressing the boundaries: towards a transformative hermeneutics of quantum gravity. in: social text. I mentioned it somewhere when DCA realised that some of the big quotes I had used were computer generated. Caused a real science war; unbloody, so far... The problem is that among all the pomo catch phrases, substance is so much reduced and hidden, that no one realises when it totally lacks any substance. For example, the essence of the initial thing I quoted here should be: "There is no good reason supporting the concept of sovereignty, but good reason for some people to make it up." Well, right wing rantings aren't that funny... or do you know any good stuff from that direction ?
BigER	posted 12-29-98 01:24 PM ET It doesn't appear that anyone is posting here anymore. Perhaps letting sleeping dogs lie? lye? lay? To bad this was funny stuff!