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dushan posted 11-16-98 04:39 PM ET
Damn, so they did rename him. How annoying. I thought Saratov is pretty acceptable Russian name :-)
Anyone else is disappointed?
NotLikeTea posted 11-16-98 04:59 PM ET
I don't really mind... If SMAC is as customizable as CivII was, i'll just change his name back to Sartov when i but the game.. just like I'll switch Yang's names around, for the chinese "family name - given name" order I like.
This is why these games are cool.
outlyr242 the rebirth posted 11-16-98 05:24 PM ET
Good point, I forgot that arrangement of names. We should start a reform movement.
Although, It is a UN mission so maybe Yang had to be westernized just to get on board.
SnowFire posted 11-16-98 05:50 PM ET
Who says its official? I like Saratov better, and with any luck it will stay that way.
P.S. Let's not forget that even Saratov didn't use to be Saratov, he used to be Sorov.
DHE_X2 posted 11-16-98 05:56 PM ET
all in favor of renaming him Michail Gorbachov, say AY!
Saint Randerolf posted 11-16-98 07:11 PM ET
I like Saratov better ,but no one cares.
Anyone in favor of changing Yang to Mr. Fung?
just kidding....

God bless Sister Miriam and paladins willing to fight.
dushan posted 11-16-98 07:51 PM ET
Firaxis say it's official :-(
Read the new eisode!
SnowFire posted 11-16-98 09:28 PM ET
I read it. Who says they can't change it again?
Arnelos posted 11-16-98 11:32 PM ET
It's a U.N. mission, remember? These people didn't have to get their names screwed up by the immigration officers at Ellis Island in the 1920s like alot of other imigrants to the United States. These people aren't even immigrating to the U.S., they're leaving the planet entirely on a U.N. supported and funded mission. The U.N. doesn't anglicize (many citizens of non former British colonies in the developing world would say "corrupt") the names of Russians, Chinese, and Indians for the mission.
So Zakharov is just fine. Saratov was an anglicized interpretation of a "Russian-sounding" name. Zakharov is more Russian. If anything, it removes Zakharov from the sterio-typical Russian to being a "real" Russian.
I support it.
MikeH II posted 11-17-98 07:08 AM ET
They did it because of comments made by the Russian posters on this forum. I think it's great.
dushan posted 11-17-98 07:20 AM ET
I guess so. I was just getting used to Saratov, Zakjarov sounded rather alien in the last episode.
But don't worry, I'll get over it.
I'm also glad that Firaxis react our feedback, I just didn't want to complain about the delay of the demo, so I picked on this
dushan posted 11-17-98 07:21 AM ET
Oops, I meant Zakharov!
DHE_X2 posted 11-19-98 11:27 PM ET
I applaud firaxis for their thouroughness, and I hope they keep it up. As many have said, this is a more accurate name.
Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey posted 11-17-98 08:00 PM ET
Damn, this name is too hard for me to pronounce, now. Oh well, I'll get used to it, I always do.
I'm glad FIRAXIS cares about accuracy. If anyone pays attention to the profiles, they changed Saratovs(Ill say that for now) & Lals. Someone complained that Lal had been to WEST Germany, in 2006. There is no West Germany anymore, so FIRAXIS changed it to Germany, without mentioning it. Then in Saratovs profile, it said he was educated at the University of Leningrad, there is no more Leningrad, & I just noticed they changed it back to St. Petersburg. Thanks for noticing it FIRAXIS.
Your faithful & hell-bent NIMadier general,
YYYH
John posted 11-20-98 04:49 AM ET
Zakharov sounds good to me.
Kurn posted 11-17-98 08:07 PM ET
I think that they should keep Zhakarov for the same reasons you guys do. If I know that Saratov is not a probable name, then why would I change it back to Saratov in the game?
Andrew Kasantsev posted 11-17-98 08:17 PM ET
And I'm glad most of all, because it was ME, who say, that it is almost IMPOSSIBLE to russian have a name, which equal to some city name (Saratov - it is city in Russian Europe). I am very glad, that Firaxis have reading this forum and even use some ideas. Zakharov is a good, standard russian surname. And if it hard for you to pronounce it, think about Khrustchev, or Scheglovich - and we have some letters which can NOT be simulated by english letters in any combination...
0leg posted 11-17-98 08:47 PM ET
I concur, Saratov as a name sounds plain silly. It is a city, damn it ! While Zakharov is perfectly all right.
JB posted 11-18-98 03:47 AM ET
I support the name change as well. In English terms, I guess it would sound silly to have a character named "Chicago" Is that what it sounded like? Anyway, I liked Saratov, so I'll probably just change it back later when I get it
DCA posted 11-18-98 03:54 AM ET
I don't see how this could even possibly be an issue. So, they changed the name from Saratov (which is bad Russian) to Zakharov (which is good Russian). Fine. Why should this disappoint anyone?
DCA,
Money can't buy happiness, but poverty can't buy ANYTHING.
Saras posted 11-18-98 04:46 AM ET
Saratov is the hometown of the my most hated basketball team, Avtodor. Zalgiris is going to kick the asses of these money-laundering wussies on thursday in Kaunas. ZALGIRIS FOR EUROCHAMPS!!!
0leg posted 11-18-98 04:43 PM ET
I heard that Sabonis will play for Lithuania during NBA lockout. If he could also play for Zhalgiris...
tOFfGI posted 11-18-98 05:12 PM ET
Zakharov? Zakharov? ZAKHAROV? ZAKHA-rov? Zakha-ROV? Zakha-Bleeding-rov? What kind of stupid name is that?
How do you pronounce "kh" anyway? I vote for Saratov.
Grosshaus posted 11-18-98 05:27 PM ET
Those Russian alphabeths keep confusing me. Not that I would understand any of them, but the way they are traslated. For instance Boris Yeltsin is Boris Jeltsin in Finland due to different pronounciacion. And Yeltsin is just an easy name. How would a Russian write it, with a J or a Y?
CClark posted 11-18-98 05:46 PM ET
For some reason, I'm reminded of a quote from Romeo and Juliet. I think you know which one I mean...
Andrew Kasantsev posted 11-18-98 07:56 PM ET
Simply try to understand - we have alphabet that differ from english VERY much. It is almost impossible to translate adequate our names in english. Take Yeltsin for example. The first vowel is a 'ringing e', where e is like in s'e'tting, but more harsh and short. How you'll simulate it? And 'ts' - is attempt to simulate our consonant which remind 'c' in 'c'incinatty. 'Kh' in Zakharov is almost equal to 'h' in 'h'abit, (and, btw, both 'a' - is like 'u' in c'u'p ). And last 'v' is very hard - I don't know english words, which ends with it analog. Btw, Zakhar - is some kin to your Zacharia...
AUH20 posted 11-18-98 08:06 PM ET
I support the new name. Would we want Pravin Calcutta, Diedre Glasgow, Morgan Cairo, Miriam Los Angeles or Corazon Havana-although Santiago IS a city.
DJ RRebel posted 11-19-98 02:54 AM ET
They should have just changed it to Zahratov .. this is wierd !!!
Lee Johnson posted 11-19-98 09:52 AM ET
tOFfGI writes:
"Zakharov? Zakharov? ZAKHAROV? ZAKHA-rov? Zakha-ROV? Zakha-Bleeding-rov? What kind of stupid name is that?
How do you pronounce "kh" anyway? I vote for Saratov."
This from the guy who complained that Morgan was a prejudicial stereotype. So much for racial sensitivity...
DJ RRebel posted 11-19-98 09:55 AM ET
I'm guessing that future names on Earth will become less and less ethnicly based !!!
Just my opinion !!!
Imran Siddiqui posted 11-19-98 04:23 PM ET
But DJ, last names will always be ethnically based, since they have been throughout time.
Imran Siddiqui
Patriot
Saras posted 11-20-98 04:38 AM ET
Oleg,
SABONIS WILL PLAY FOR ZALGIRIS!! Although the contract is discussions now, he is willing to COME HOME!!! Thanks, NBA. MASSACRE OF AVTODOR yesterday Yeah!!
0leg posted 11-20-98 05:03 PM ET
Great ! I always been a big Sabonis fan.
Even when Zhalgiris played against Stroitel Kuybyshev - my home town team. Very glad for him.
BTW, what happened to Marchulenis ? It is difficult to keep touch with europian affairs here, in Texas.
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Author	Topic: It's official: No more Saratov :-)
dushan	posted 11-16-98 04:39 PM ET Damn, so they did rename him. How annoying. I thought Saratov is pretty acceptable Russian name :-) Anyone else is disappointed?
NotLikeTea	posted 11-16-98 04:59 PM ET I don't really mind... If SMAC is as customizable as CivII was, i'll just change his name back to Sartov when i but the game.. just like I'll switch Yang's names around, for the chinese "family name - given name" order I like. This is why these games are cool.
outlyr242 the rebirth	posted 11-16-98 05:24 PM ET Good point, I forgot that arrangement of names. We should start a reform movement. Although, It is a UN mission so maybe Yang had to be westernized just to get on board.
SnowFire	posted 11-16-98 05:50 PM ET Who says its official? I like Saratov better, and with any luck it will stay that way. P.S. Let's not forget that even Saratov didn't use to be Saratov, he used to be Sorov.
DHE_X2	posted 11-16-98 05:56 PM ET all in favor of renaming him Michail Gorbachov, say AY!
Saint Randerolf	posted 11-16-98 07:11 PM ET I like Saratov better ,but no one cares. Anyone in favor of changing Yang to Mr. Fung? just kidding.... God bless Sister Miriam and paladins willing to fight.
dushan	posted 11-16-98 07:51 PM ET Firaxis say it's official :-( Read the new eisode!
SnowFire	posted 11-16-98 09:28 PM ET I read it. Who says they can't change it again?
Arnelos	posted 11-16-98 11:32 PM ET It's a U.N. mission, remember? These people didn't have to get their names screwed up by the immigration officers at Ellis Island in the 1920s like alot of other imigrants to the United States. These people aren't even immigrating to the U.S., they're leaving the planet entirely on a U.N. supported and funded mission. The U.N. doesn't anglicize (many citizens of non former British colonies in the developing world would say "corrupt") the names of Russians, Chinese, and Indians for the mission. So Zakharov is just fine. Saratov was an anglicized interpretation of a "Russian-sounding" name. Zakharov is more Russian. If anything, it removes Zakharov from the sterio-typical Russian to being a "real" Russian. I support it.
MikeH II	posted 11-17-98 07:08 AM ET They did it because of comments made by the Russian posters on this forum. I think it's great.
dushan	posted 11-17-98 07:20 AM ET I guess so. I was just getting used to Saratov, Zakjarov sounded rather alien in the last episode. But don't worry, I'll get over it. I'm also glad that Firaxis react our feedback, I just didn't want to complain about the delay of the demo, so I picked on this
dushan	posted 11-17-98 07:21 AM ET Oops, I meant Zakharov!
DHE_X2	posted 11-19-98 11:27 PM ET I applaud firaxis for their thouroughness, and I hope they keep it up. As many have said, this is a more accurate name.
Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey	posted 11-17-98 08:00 PM ET Damn, this name is too hard for me to pronounce, now. Oh well, I'll get used to it, I always do. I'm glad FIRAXIS cares about accuracy. If anyone pays attention to the profiles, they changed Saratovs(Ill say that for now) & Lals. Someone complained that Lal had been to WEST Germany, in 2006. There is no West Germany anymore, so FIRAXIS changed it to Germany, without mentioning it. Then in Saratovs profile, it said he was educated at the University of Leningrad, there is no more Leningrad, & I just noticed they changed it back to St. Petersburg. Thanks for noticing it FIRAXIS. Your faithful & hell-bent NIMadier general, YYYH
John	posted 11-20-98 04:49 AM ET Zakharov sounds good to me.
Kurn	posted 11-17-98 08:07 PM ET I think that they should keep Zhakarov for the same reasons you guys do. If I know that Saratov is not a probable name, then why would I change it back to Saratov in the game?
Andrew Kasantsev	posted 11-17-98 08:17 PM ET And I'm glad most of all, because it was ME, who say, that it is almost IMPOSSIBLE to russian have a name, which equal to some city name (Saratov - it is city in Russian Europe). I am very glad, that Firaxis have reading this forum and even use some ideas. Zakharov is a good, standard russian surname. And if it hard for you to pronounce it, think about Khrustchev, or Scheglovich - and we have some letters which can NOT be simulated by english letters in any combination...
0leg	posted 11-17-98 08:47 PM ET I concur, Saratov as a name sounds plain silly. It is a city, damn it ! While Zakharov is perfectly all right.
JB	posted 11-18-98 03:47 AM ET I support the name change as well. In English terms, I guess it would sound silly to have a character named "Chicago" Is that what it sounded like? Anyway, I liked Saratov, so I'll probably just change it back later when I get it
DCA	posted 11-18-98 03:54 AM ET I don't see how this could even possibly be an issue. So, they changed the name from Saratov (which is bad Russian) to Zakharov (which is good Russian). Fine. Why should this disappoint anyone? DCA, Money can't buy happiness, but poverty can't buy ANYTHING.
Saras	posted 11-18-98 04:46 AM ET Saratov is the hometown of the my most hated basketball team, Avtodor. Zalgiris is going to kick the asses of these money-laundering wussies on thursday in Kaunas. ZALGIRIS FOR EUROCHAMPS!!!
0leg	posted 11-18-98 04:43 PM ET I heard that Sabonis will play for Lithuania during NBA lockout. If he could also play for Zhalgiris...
tOFfGI	posted 11-18-98 05:12 PM ET Zakharov? Zakharov? ZAKHAROV? ZAKHA-rov? Zakha-ROV? Zakha-Bleeding-rov? What kind of stupid name is that? How do you pronounce "kh" anyway? I vote for Saratov.
Grosshaus	posted 11-18-98 05:27 PM ET Those Russian alphabeths keep confusing me. Not that I would understand any of them, but the way they are traslated. For instance Boris Yeltsin is Boris Jeltsin in Finland due to different pronounciacion. And Yeltsin is just an easy name. How would a Russian write it, with a J or a Y?
CClark	posted 11-18-98 05:46 PM ET For some reason, I'm reminded of a quote from Romeo and Juliet. I think you know which one I mean...
Andrew Kasantsev	posted 11-18-98 07:56 PM ET Simply try to understand - we have alphabet that differ from english VERY much. It is almost impossible to translate adequate our names in english. Take Yeltsin for example. The first vowel is a 'ringing e', where e is like in s'e'tting, but more harsh and short. How you'll simulate it? And 'ts' - is attempt to simulate our consonant which remind 'c' in 'c'incinatty. 'Kh' in Zakharov is almost equal to 'h' in 'h'abit, (and, btw, both 'a' - is like 'u' in c'u'p ). And last 'v' is very hard - I don't know english words, which ends with it analog. Btw, Zakhar - is some kin to your Zacharia...
AUH20	posted 11-18-98 08:06 PM ET I support the new name. Would we want Pravin Calcutta, Diedre Glasgow, Morgan Cairo, Miriam Los Angeles or Corazon Havana-although Santiago IS a city.
DJ RRebel	posted 11-19-98 02:54 AM ET They should have just changed it to Zahratov .. this is wierd !!!
Lee Johnson	posted 11-19-98 09:52 AM ET tOFfGI writes: "Zakharov? Zakharov? ZAKHAROV? ZAKHA-rov? Zakha-ROV? Zakha-Bleeding-rov? What kind of stupid name is that? How do you pronounce "kh" anyway? I vote for Saratov." This from the guy who complained that Morgan was a prejudicial stereotype. So much for racial sensitivity...
DJ RRebel	posted 11-19-98 09:55 AM ET I'm guessing that future names on Earth will become less and less ethnicly based !!! Just my opinion !!!
Imran Siddiqui	posted 11-19-98 04:23 PM ET But DJ, last names will always be ethnically based, since they have been throughout time. Imran Siddiqui Patriot
Saras	posted 11-20-98 04:38 AM ET Oleg, SABONIS WILL PLAY FOR ZALGIRIS!! Although the contract is discussions now, he is willing to COME HOME!!! Thanks, NBA. MASSACRE OF AVTODOR yesterday Yeah!!
0leg	posted 11-20-98 05:03 PM ET Great ! I always been a big Sabonis fan. Even when Zhalgiris played against Stroitel Kuybyshev - my home town team. Very glad for him. BTW, what happened to Marchulenis ? It is difficult to keep touch with europian affairs here, in Texas.