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Topic: Stand and be counted( a religous question
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Steel_Dragon |
posted 11-15-98 01:44 AM ET
Rules: 1 Post atheist or theist and maybe which relegion(if you want)2 nothing else!
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Steel_Dragon
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posted 11-15-98 01:45 AM ET
Leaning towards atheist |
Saint Randerolf
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posted 11-15-98 01:47 AM ET
Side:Theist Religion: Baptist |
DHE_X2
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posted 11-15-98 01:47 AM ET
Theist, Christian, leaning towards methodist. |
Octopus
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posted 11-15-98 02:19 AM ET
Atheist, although not very strongly.
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Jack_Schitt
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posted 11-15-98 02:40 AM ET
you only left two choices, neither of which fits me. An atheist (in websters) "persons no inclined toward religious belief or a particular religious faith" A theist (in websters (from theism)) "belief in the existence of a god or gods" I am a Buddhist. Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo (over 2 lines, I know *sigh* sorry) |
DHE_X2
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posted 11-15-98 02:44 AM ET
Sorry Steel, but I have to say this. An atheist is anyone who does not believe in the existence of God, in any form. You would be classified as an atheist, with buddhist spiritual beliefs. |
dushan
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posted 11-15-98 02:52 AM ET
I used to call myself an atheist, but people don't seem to even agree on the definition of atheism.I'm not sure that god doesn't exist. I just find it quite unlikely. I'm pretty sure that christianity is all wrong as it is now, but it is just my current opinion. I can be persuaded. By that definition of atheism, I don't feel I'm an atheist. And I'm sure as hell not a theist. So I'm sorry for breaking all your rules, but: agnostic |
DJ RRebel
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posted 11-15-98 03:36 AM ET
Athiest (I would think I made myself clear enough for me not have had to say though !!! )YYes .. you are right, I think Agnostic is the 3rd "in-between" unsure option !!! |
Imran Siddiqui
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posted 11-15-98 03:47 AM ET
Definetly Muslim. However, I mend Science with Islam. |
talon54
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posted 11-15-98 06:51 AM ET
a theist combining all forms of religious beliefs, with a strong belief in reincarnation and karma. |
Arnelos
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posted 11-15-98 06:53 AM ET
yeah, what happened to agnostic?I would just have people post whatever. "Side" Nihilistic Atheism Other Atheistic belief systems (existentialism, etc.) Agnosticism Spiritualists (non-deity) Deist Theists Other (mixes, etc.) The "side" should come first, then the particular denomination, etc. |
Arnelos
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posted 11-15-98 06:59 AM ET
Clarifications for those who do not understand terms:Deist: Belief in a single divine "entity" or deity which began the process of the universe and perhaps life but has no other contribution to the universe. (Aristotle's "Un-moved mover". This concept was believe by many during the enlightenment, notably Voltaire) Nihilistic Atheist: A belief in a complete lack of deities, spirituality, anything supernatural, or any source of "meaning" to the universe. Existentialistic and other atheist belief systems: Athestic (or not believing in a supernatural "god", a divine entity, or even perhaps spirituality), but believing that some meaning is provided to the universe by some other means (by humans in the case of humanistic existentialism) Spiritualists (non-deity): Believing in concepts of spiritualism, but not in any particular deity |
Arnelos
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posted 11-15-98 07:02 AM ET
For me: Side: Deist and Humanist Existentialist Specifics: Deist, but no meaning provided by Deity that is conceivable to humanity, thus Humanist Existentialism prevails for the recognition and creation of meaning for humanity.SHORT ANSWER: Deistic Humanist Existentialism (a big one to swallow, I understand) |
tOFfGI
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posted 11-15-98 10:08 AM ET
Atheist (Militant) � la Marxism. |
dushan
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posted 11-15-98 10:58 AM ET
Hmm, DJ RRebel, I'm not unsure, I just try to be objective. You can not be sure about practically anything - even your senses might be lying to you. The point is to weigh the credibility of all the evidence and form a dynamic opinion. I guess I have faith in reason and I consider faith in anything else as flawed.I don't believe in god and I find the chance of him existing negligible. I'm sure that I've evaluated all the evidence to the best of my abilities. With that in mind, I'm an atheist. However the chance is still there, and no matter how unlikely, some god(s) may exist. Some laws of physics we haven't observed yet may exist. Our personality could be also stored in a back-up medium in the realm of physics we haven't observed yet (ie we might have a soul). All this I can imagine to be possible. I think this makes me agnostic. But as I've said earlier, as till now I've seen NO credible evidence to support any of the theist claims. Which probably makes me: 'agnostic atheist' :-) Dushan
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SnowFire
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posted 11-15-98 11:09 AM ET
1) Theist, perhaps leaning a bit toward deist2)Prysbeterian, the liberal branch (not evangelical, which is what a lot of those Southern fundementalist televangelist types are) Like Imran I support science. |
Roland
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posted 11-15-98 01:46 PM ET
I used to thing Theist = Deist, just whether it derives from Theos or Deus ?Me: agnostic. Regardless of "nothing else" - I AM something else! |
Aga1
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posted 11-15-98 02:04 PM ET
Side:Theist Religion:Roman Catholic |
Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey
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posted 11-15-98 02:21 PM ET
Theist, Roman Catholic.I do trust science more than religion though, when science can prove god doesn't exist, I'll probably stop believing. Your faithful & hell-bent NIMadier general, YYYH |
BKK the Mentat
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posted 11-15-98 02:48 PM ET
Thiest:leaning on the Baptists (I do suupport science and belive that science is just an attempt to understand the work of God.) |
Firehawk
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posted 11-15-98 03:55 PM ET
Humanist Atheist. Religion is a crutch, a collection of myths to make people feel better. (Although I wonder how it all began�Big Bang sure, but how did the material for it come into existence, why are the laws of nature what they are�this does not, however, argue for Deism because one could also say how did the Deity come into existence, and why?) Some would call me nihilistic, but I am looking for meaning, and...I say even if there is no "greater meaning to life", that doesn't mean give up. |
DeStrider2
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posted 11-15-98 11:11 PM ET
Roman CatholicMost religions are good. Catholics, Christians, Muslims, Jews - we all worship the same God. Science is God's tool to keep the universe in order. God Bless |
DHE_X2
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posted 11-15-98 11:19 PM ET
talon54, if im correct, the term is eclectic theist |
Andrew Kasantsev
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posted 11-16-98 12:42 AM ET
Dragon. Your option is very lacking. Look at me: I find nagualism is the best fitting for me. For those who don't read (or could not understand - or could not stand) Kastaneda I try to define the main conception of that system. 1. The all world around us is a great fiction, it is only our 'habit to see' illusion, implanted in us during chilhood. 2. It is possible to learn to see 'under' matter/world cover and use it's energetic side. 3. World is divided on three section - first - all we know second - all we can find third - all we can never comprehend. 4. There IS some being(?), which we can call God (but better not to), but it is ABSOLUTELY indifferent to our needs. It is no use to worship it, it is no use to beg it. But yet it give to us some chance to prolongate our existence. 5. And all that left is only hard practice and strange methods which you can use in your normal and abnormal life. They totally checkable. There is no need to 'believe' in them. Sometime you need group to move faster. Sometime you can go alone. You choose.And how do you call this system? Theistic - but there are NO god! Atheistic - but there is belief in some spiritual and unmaterial! Agnostic - you can check and proof any part of it. So you better fix you option.
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JB
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posted 11-16-98 01:09 AM ET
Ok, follow the rules!Atheist. |
Dcreeper
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posted 11-16-98 02:23 AM ET
atheist
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Brother Greg
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posted 11-16-98 02:31 AM ET
Athiest Dyslexic.I sold my soul to Santa.  Brother Greg. |
DCA
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posted 11-16-98 09:52 PM ET
Theist, Cult of Eris, Discordian Society. |
Gord McLeod
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posted 11-16-98 10:04 PM ET
Agnostic, strong atheist leanings.
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talon54
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posted 11-16-98 10:30 PM ET
Thanx Dhe, its getting too complicated for me to keep track of. Didnt know what I was.Ummm, what are you if you believe your soul goes to a garage in Buffalo? (domestius structuralist)?(spiritus domestius extensionist.}(spiritus dementious)(inus bigus troublus),(upus creekus without a paddalus)? |
Spoe
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posted 11-16-98 10:51 PM ET
I don't know, talon, but you would have to believe in Hell, then, since that's where you think you're going. :P |
AUH20
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posted 11-16-98 10:58 PM ET
Theist, very orthodox/stringent Roman Catholic, but strong belief in science, evolution.(The Pope's latest ecclasitial on faith being dependent on reason.) If Catholism were disproved, I guess I'd convert to Orthodox Judaism. Interesting question-what religion would you be if your current religion were disproved.
What really bugs me are fundamentalist Christians/evangicals. Mother Teresa was 1000 more times effective in spreading the word of Christ and following His teachings than Robert Schuller or Pat Robertson. |
AUH20
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posted 11-16-98 11:00 PM ET
Of course, when I say ultra-Orthodox, I don't mean one of those who thinks Vatican II should never have happened, having been born after Vatican II. But I think it created unforseen negative affects in the Church(i.e. Religion Lite, Mr. Roger's School of Religous Education, Mass as entertainment, and liturgical dance. |
SnowFire
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posted 11-16-98 11:02 PM ET
Check out this site for an interesting take on the issues... Alas run by atheists but take out the propaganda and they make some good points. It could pretty well be used as a Deist site as well since it's about the non-interference of God.http://www3.islandnet.com/~luree/contest.html |
Q Cubed
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posted 11-16-98 11:32 PM ET
I am liberal Roman Catholic, and quite faithful. However, i mix in traditional Korean beliefs, a bit of Presbyterianism (it's not that different. i don't believe in Presbyterian communion stuff though). i also differ from the Catholic mainstream in that i barely support abortion, and don't support the massive rallies.I also support science, since i think God gave us these senses to experiment and discover the world He created. |
Gord McLeod
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posted 11-17-98 12:18 AM ET
My take on things as the aforementioned agnostic w/ strong athiest leanings is that God is not necessary for the universe to exist, things could work out perfectly well without some higher being. But, not being necessary doesn't preclude existance, so it's possible that *a* god or gods may exist. I have no idea what he/she/it/they may be like, and doubt I'll ever know until after my death, if there is indeed anything to know at that point at all. (Speaking of after death, I tend to lean towards the belief that death is simply The End.)
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BoomBoom
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posted 11-17-98 08:23 AM ET
Atheist, no surprise there for people who've read Religion III thread  |
MikeH II
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posted 11-17-98 08:31 AM ET
Agnostic but if I HAD to choose, athiest. |
Larry Boy
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posted 11-17-98 02:34 PM ET
Theist: Christian: Evangelical Covenant denomination. Love 'ya! -Oops. (-8 |
Tapiolan poika
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posted 12-18-98 06:00 AM ET
Agnostic with remnants of catholic upbringing. Actually, If forced to choose (by whom?), I'd probably define myself as an agnostic with leanings matching Arnelos' description of himself. Petter: 'nihil' is Russian. (Surprise, surprise!?!?)
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CClark
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posted 11-17-98 03:19 PM ET
Usually I say agnostic. But I guess I'd be more accurately described as a spiritual aetheist keeping his options open.Don't believe in a single supreme entity but I like to entertain the thought that there is something along the lines of the three fates (Clotho, Lachesis, ?? oops, forgot the third) who guide us. Of course, I also like to believe that there is REAL magic, not just slight of hand tricks.  |
jdwells
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posted 12-19-98 03:48 PM ET
Deist: Christian > Southern BaptistYou might be surprised at the amount of "free" thought that goes on in a "fundamentalist" denomination. IMHO, God doesn't want drones, else why give us the choice to serve Him or not and brains to consider the decision? |
DCA
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posted 12-20-98 01:29 AM ET
Tap,'Petter', huh? Shall I be allowed to keep no mask?  It makes sense that nihil is Russian, though. Shoulda thought of that...! DCA, Humanity's first sin was faith; the first virtue was doubt. |
DHE_X2
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posted 11-17-98 06:21 PM ET
answer to AUH20, Islamic. If God himself were ever disproved, which, of course, is impossible, nihilistic atheism. |
DHE_X2
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posted 11-17-98 06:27 PM ET
capitalize the "H" in Himself. sorry, I have this thing with grammer. |
Rathenn
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posted 12-20-98 02:22 AM ET
Nihilistic atheist |
NightShade
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posted 12-20-98 05:41 PM ET
Theist: Born again Christian, Mennonite heritage. |
Q Cubed
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posted 11-18-98 01:09 AM ET
grammar. and spelling. ;-) to the agnostics and atheists: how'd ya'll turn that way? just asking. :-) |
Gojackal
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posted 12-20-98 08:29 PM ET
Some things are there whether you believe in them or not! |
Gord McLeod
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posted 11-18-98 06:20 AM ET
I didn't actually 'turn' that way... I was simply never turned any other way. My parents decided that my brother and I should be free to choose our own spiritual path rather than having one foisted upon us when we were born. In addition, nobody in my immediate or even most of my extended family is particularly religious... some do have religions of one sort or another, but none really practise. As a result, I was never exposed to religion as a child, except in 2nd-hand ways. I developed an early dislike for Christianity out of a sense of irritation at the constant implicit assumption that because I have a Scottish last name, I'm by definition Christian. There were a number of other contributing factors, but that was all it took when I was younger. Eventually I started getting curious and doing research, but was continually turned off by the hippocracy (it's late, I can't spell, not sure if I spelled that one right or not) that I found in the history of Christianity. I looked into a number of other religions as well, but I was already quite comfortable with the scientific view of the world so I never found anything that sparked a sudden change in belief. My views of christianity have mellowed a great deal of late - I still dislike the hippocracy of its past, but I do recognize that it really doesn't reflect upon the vast majority of its adherants today, and even at the time(s), it was not a flaw that affected every Christian citizen. But as was the case with every other religion I learned about, I found nothing in Christianity that caused a sudden shift of belief away from athiesm/agnosticism.So I developed ultimately (so far at least) into someone with a live-and-let-live attitude toward belief. I'm quite happy to debate religious views in as friendly a fashion as its possible to do so, or in explaining my views to the curious, but I'm not interested in converting others nor in being converted. Will I ever change and become a born-again Christian? (well, no... I was never a born Christian to start with... so will I ever become a born Christian?) I don't know. It *could* happen - I call myself agnostic specifically because I believe quite firmly that I don't know everything and thus who knows what I might learn next? But I have serious trouble imagining a change that extreme happening at this point. I'm quite happy with my views and have no problem with science's lack of answers, nor with the necessity for science to revise theories previously accepted as truth. Truth be told, you could say I take a certain measure of comfort in the ambiguity of any final answers to be found in the scientific view - it appeals to my agnostic self, and when all is said and done, I've always preferred philosophy to the hard sciences.
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Gojackal
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posted 12-20-98 08:32 PM ET
I'm an atheist simply becase a)no bible was written by a God, and b)no God has ever appeared to me I do not, however, put the existence of God out of the question |
OmniDude
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posted 11-18-98 09:05 AM ET
Gord, nice elaboration. I share your non-aggressive approach to the faith of others. To me, faith or lack of faith in religion poses no problems in itself (as a personal matter). Problems arise only when you make faith (or lack of faith) a collective issue and start to dictate certain practices and/or forbid others.As a consequence of the above (and solemn belief that conciousness and other emergent attributes of matter and energy can never be 100% accounted for by (hard) science), I'm a theist/deist/agnostic with a lutheran slant |
CClark
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posted 11-18-98 11:47 AM ET
I guess there were a couple things that got me into the agnostic/aetheist category.First, as a small child I was dragged to church and sunday school by my mother. For whatever reason, I HATED it. Had absolutely no use for it and once I was old enough to realize that throwing a tantrum would get me out of going, I stopped getting dragged there. Later, when I discovered books and started reading up on history and mythology I started forming an opinion that went like this: Every great civilization seems to have a religion. The purpose of most of these religions seems to be explaining things that the science at the time cannot explain. For example, volcanic eruptions were unexplainable scientifically, so a lot of cultures invented gods (e.g. Vulcan) to explain these occurances. (In Egyptian mythology, there isn't a volcano god that I know of, but there also aren't any volcanoes in Eqypt that I know of...) To make a long story short, I decided that the Christian god is basically used nowadays to explain only two things: where "we" (as a lifeform) come from/what our purpose is and were we (as individuals) go when we die. Coincidentally, these are about the only things that science can't explain, or doesn't explain in a nice, comforting fashion. (Most people have a problem accepting that they just turn into dirt when they die and are forgotten completely within a couple generations.) The other role that religions still play is in telling people what is moral and what is immoral. I guess that I like to think I'm intelligent enough to figure that out for myself and so I don't particularly like some figure in a far off country telling me what is right and what is wrong. Like Gord, I also try to maintain a "don't preach to me and I won't preach to you" attitude. I guess one of the things that I dislike about organized religion is the "we're right, you're wrong" attitude they all seem to have. From my point of view, more harm has come from religion than good. (Just look at the wars and strife in the middle east, the Irish "problems" or historically at things like the Spanish Inquisition or the Salem witchhunts.) |
Gredd
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posted 12-22-98 03:34 AM ET
Theist evangelical (and please don't confuse me for those off the wall screaming preachers you see on TV. We all aren't that way)For those who are undecided but open minded about whether God exists or not, you should read a book called "Suprised by Faith" by Dr. Don Bierle. It's very interesting. It could help you in your decision. The least you'll pick up is how archeologist do parts of there jobs (which is suprisingly interesting). Those who refuse to believe in God, don't waste your time (unless you dig archeologly, pun intended ). |
Synthetic
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posted 11-18-98 02:33 PM ET
Yeah, but wouldn't it be a surprise if we were able to tunnel down to the center of the earth and found Vulcan reclining in a fiery ottoman?Sure, not bloody likely, but it can't be disproved until we can observe it directly. |
DCA
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posted 11-19-98 05:42 PM ET
I just have to comment on Arnelos' use of 'nihilistic' as in nihilistic atheism: though this is probably linguistically correct (nihil means 'nothing' in Greek, Latin or whatever (methinks)), the common use of nihilistic today refers to a specific (a)political grouping dating back to some 19th century Russians that liked to throw bombs at people.A useful definition of nihilism might be: "A doctrine or belief that conditions in the social organization are so bad as to make destruction desirable for its own sake independent of any constructive program or possibility." It's somewhere near anarchism, but without most anarchists' belief in mankind's inherent goodness - anarchists usually point out that they are NOT to be seen as nihilists. So, the bottom line is, if you define yourself as a nihilistic atheist, people might easily misunderstand... |
Grosshaus
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posted 11-19-98 05:48 PM ET
My parents never made me go to church or anything. Then in comprehensive school I saw the terrors of fundamentalism. I wasn't religios before, but now I can't even think of believing in anything "out there". Also I'm too into science that I must find proof about everything. |
DHE_X2
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posted 11-19-98 06:24 PM ET
my parents never made me go to church, they never go themselves. Almost none of my friends are deeply spiritual, though all are kinda in the Christmas/Easter Christian category. My decission to become religous, go to church (on occasion, I'm not a regular), and to study theology in general resulted from a personal need. I get my knowledge from science, and my wisdom, and my humanity from Christianity. To all those thrown off by hypocrisy, remember that no one is perfect, and to try to be is an effort in futility. Also, my views on conversion are that one should try to lead by actions, not words, so preaching alone will not help convert an individual, and that one should try to convert only those who have an open mind toward religion (nihilistic atheists obviously do NOT have an open mind to the metaphysical, or they'd be agnostic), and are willing to hear what you have to say. I do not support stuffing religion down anybody's throat. |
DHE_X2
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posted 11-19-98 06:26 PM ET
Steel_Dragon is probably pissed that we broke his rules, heh heh  |
Steel_Dragon
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posted 11-19-98 06:32 PM ET
only a little.I realize I ask a very narrow question, that left some people out. But I was trying to get a count not read post. |
Tapiolan poika
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posted 12-18-98 06:01 AM ET
Agnostic with remnants of catholic upbringing. Actually, If forced to choose (by whom?), I'd probably define myself as an agnostic with leanings matching Arnelos' description of himself. Petter: 'nihil' is Russian. (Surprise, surprise!?!?) >>Sorry. Repost. One of those days.<<
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Calculus
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posted 12-19-98 08:16 PM ET
I'm Jewish. I try to mix science with my religion, which really isn't very hard in my case. |
DCA
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posted 12-20-98 01:30 AM ET
Tap,'Petter', huh? Shall I be allowed to keep no mask?  It makes sense that nihil is Russian, though. Shoulda thought of that...! DCA, Humanity's first sin was faith; the first virtue was doubt. [It has to go to the end of the thread eventually...?] |
Hothram Upravda
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posted 12-20-98 03:03 PM ET
Agnosticwith a little science and Polish Catholisem thrown in. Hothram Upravda TB
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ThomasE
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posted 12-20-98 07:51 PM ET
What exactly is the difference between a Nihilistic atheist and an atheist?I believe (ups, wrong word) that there are no god/gods or any other form of a divine entity |
Gojackal
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posted 12-20-98 08:30 PM ET
Some things are there whether you believe in them or not! |
Gojackal
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posted 12-20-98 08:34 PM ET
I'm an atheist simply because a)no bible was written by a God, and b)no God has ever appeared to me I do not, however, put the existence of God out of the question |