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RyanR posted 11-03-98 02:08 AM ET
Peacekeepers unite!
"The most disadvantageous peace is better than the most just war." - Desiderius Erasmus
Am I the only one who thinks the new diplomatic functions will be the coolest part of the game?
This will be our little United Nations Headquarters thread.
NO SPARTANS ALLOWED!
RyanR
Roland posted 11-03-98 08:00 AM ET
No, you're not alone.
I kept the peace and the... peace won!
DJ RRebel posted 11-03-98 08:55 AM ET
I'm still in a 3 way tie between University, Peace Keepers and the Canadian 8th Faction.
Anyone have a 3 sided coin ???
Roland posted 11-03-98 09:05 AM ET
Hmmm... I'd have:
Peacekeepers
Morgan
UoP
Canadians
Euroland
Bavarians
Anyone got a dice ?
DJ RRebel posted 11-03-98 09:22 AM ET
Hey ... good list .. but when did the Bavarians come into the picture ??? lol
Roland posted 11-03-98 09:25 AM ET
IIRC it was in the science and technology part, thread "beer of the future" - which one else ?
Tolls posted 11-03-98 09:47 AM ET
Ah...Bavarians, the Beer faction...power through intoxication...
MikeH II posted 11-03-98 09:49 AM ET
I'm a Spartan, we want peace too! We just want peace when we have conquered everyone else.
Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey posted 11-03-98 10:50 AM ET
The only way to fully achieve piece os through war.
Up with Spartans!!! Down with Santiago though!! She got caught by Lady Diedre for crying out loud!!!!
FREEDOM, LIBERTY & SMAC!!!
Your faithful & hell-bent NIMadier general,
YYYH
Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey posted 11-03-98 10:50 AM ET
Lay off the typos, Im tired today!
Roland posted 11-03-98 10:55 AM ET
But there is some truth in your typos: by war you will achieve pieces.. of people, buildings, etc...
Mike, be honest: most of all you want beer , right ? So join the bavarians... maybe they are a subfaction of EuRoland ? ;-)
Brother Greg posted 11-04-98 07:20 PM ET
Nay indeed brothers, ye are not alone in the fight for freedom! NIM itself is on your side, as am I. =)
Brother Greg Woodstock,
Peacekeeper,
Defender of the Sacred NIM,
Chevalier of the order of Azugal,
Hammer of the Spartans.
fred posted 11-04-98 07:50 PM ET
hey canadians are peacekeepers! DJ canadians are sienctist too. so that 3 sided coin has only 1 side now.
Kurn posted 11-04-98 08:15 PM ET
CANADIAN FACTION ROCKS!
jsorense posted 11-04-98 08:21 PM ET
Welcome, Brother Greg.
Now that Brother Greg has posted, I consider this forum the official refuge for all SMACA sufferers.
Kurn posted 11-04-98 08:38 PM ET
How do we know its really THE greg woodstock?
AUH20 posted 11-04-98 10:00 PM ET
Well, I'm pissed at Morgan for killing all those people, so I guess I'm a Peacekeeper now. Or UoP. I dunno. Peacekeeper! Now I'm a member.
DHE_X2 posted 11-04-98 10:05 PM ET
PKs kick. Morgans kick, from what I know. Peace my brother, make love not war, arms are for hugging( whoaa, starting to sound like a Gaian... eaaagh!)
~DHE_X2 (you know the rest...)
Brother Greg posted 11-04-98 10:08 PM ET
Kurn: Check the Email address - it's me. =)
It was a real bummer - just as I descended from transcendence, the Forums broke. Wonder if they couldn't handle my presence anymore?
Oh well, this one seems to be working allright.
Brother Greg Woodstock,
Peacekeeper,
Defender of the Sacred NIM,
Chevalier of the order of Azugal,
Hammer of the Spartans.
Arnelos posted 11-05-98 03:05 AM ET
Hey! Brother Greg!
I believe we should have some of us peacekeepers in the story (since I believe that all the people in the story so far have NOT been PKs :-( ).
Personally, you are the PK whose been consistently been posting and supporting the PK cause the longest (remember your "Keepers of Wisdom" post?). I think (perhaps incorrectly) that I was the second loyal PKer to start posting regularly on this site. Most of the people in the "factions" discussion (where I spent the majority of my posting time) were UofP or Spartan, with smattering of the hive and morganites.
If I recall correctly, you were the only other person declaring themselves a PK for about 2 months or so before the number of people on this forum exploded in September.
Yes, let all Peacekeepers unite RyanR. I have my little UN flag next to my desk right now (really, I really DO have a UN flag next to my computer on my desk).
May there be loyal peacekeepers doing great deeds in the story sometime soon!
Kurn posted 11-05-98 03:40 AM ET
PEACEKEEPERS ROCK!
WHY?
CAUSE THEY DO!
Tigen posted 11-05-98 07:03 AM ET
I used to be a Peacekeeper. But then I thought, well, I don't really want to go around peacemaking and playing Mr. Goody-goody. I'm not these other factions' mother. I just want to sit there in my home and be normal. No religious fanaticism, no capitalistic frenzy, no militaristic fanfare, no pure science, just normalcy, damnit. It may sound boring, but I'm not a fanatic about anything, so why do I have to play a fanatic faction? My faction will be called the Faction That Looks at the Other Bickering Weirdo Factions and Shakes its Collective Head Sadly, Then Ignores Them. Or perhaps, the "Multi-Dimensional People Faction."
Arnelos posted 11-05-98 08:05 AM ET
How about "The Faction of Apathy"
or. . .
"The Faction of the societal norms of Where I grew up, which may be different for everyone"
or. . .
"The Faction of Normality" (misnomer)
"The Faction of the Reform Party"
(laughed at by all other factions for the naive belief that they can have government without politics)
Old_Guy posted 11-05-98 01:31 PM ET
I may not be a fan of the PeaceKeepers, but I may start a new faction called the ZooKeepers. Our goal will be to round up mind worms, other native life forms, and other faction members and put them all in one big zoo for our amusement.
Lady Deidre will of course be in my personal petting zoo.
Roland posted 11-05-98 01:41 PM ET
Zooooo station...
Ha, you won't get us, the Keepers of BAF (Bavarian-Austrian-Friendship). If you try to catch us, we will say "BAF"! We are the knights who say "BAF" (or "icky icky icky patang", if MikeH (II) joins in).
Maya posted 11-05-98 01:52 PM ET
Hello!
I'm with you RyanR!
Arnelos, you're not alone, I have a UN flag on my wall too.
Now if we could just mix the PK, UoP and Gaians, that would be perfect...
-Maya
"If war is the failure of diplomacy, then [...] diplomacy, both bilateral and multilateral, is our first line of defence. The world today spends billions preparing for war; shouldn�t we spend a billion or two preparing for peace?"
--KOFI ANNAN
Roland posted 11-05-98 02:12 PM ET
"Now if we could just mix the PK, UoP and Gaians, that would be perfect..."
See why I want costumizing so much ? Sigh...
"Fantasy, abandoned by reason, produces impossible monsters; united with it, she is
the mother of the arts and the origin of marvels."
(Goya)
Borodino posted 11-05-98 04:26 PM ET
Yet another [long-time] PK reemerges onto the new [but not yet improved] SMAC BB.
Arnelos posted 11-05-98 07:28 PM ET
"See why I want costumizing so much ? Sigh..."
-Roland
For a moment there, I seriously considered whether you wanted to dress up as wierd looking things on halloween a whole lot. . .
Perhaps you mean cUstOmizing, not cOstUmizing.
A bit picky, but I found it entertaining.
RyanR posted 11-05-98 09:16 PM ET
Lal is too weak of a character so far in the story. I hope he does something appropriate soon.
Maya: That's a good quote. I like it better than the one I had.
"If war is the failure of diplomacy, then [...] diplomacy, both bilateral and multilateral, is our first line of defence. The world today spends billions preparing for war; shouldn�t we spend a billion or two preparing for peace?"
--KOFI ANNAN
This is why the Peacekeepers are so cool!
Brother Greg posted 11-06-98 12:53 AM ET
I like that quote too. Really makes you think, doesn't it?
I think NIM must have inspired Brother Kofi. =)
Yes Arnelos, I do remember the "Keepers of Wisdom" post, and all the quotes I posted on it. Was rather lonely there for a while. I also remember when they first renamed the "Keepers of Wisdom" to the PEacekeepers". Still think KOW is a cooler name. =(
Brother Greg Woodstock,
Peacekeeper,
Defender of the Sacred NIM,
Chevalier of the order of Azugal,
Hammer of the Spartans.
Dcreeper posted 11-06-98 01:22 AM ET
Peace has its merits, but when peace fails a general is needed to lead the people to victory, I stand at your side RyanR.
Roland posted 11-06-98 06:19 AM ET
Ehm.. costume...custom... customizing...
Yes, I was talking about halloween...ehm.. ok, I really should type slower and read before posting....
"If war breaks out, does that mean peace was a prison ?"
(unknown, at least to me)
Maya posted 11-06-98 02:40 PM ET
"'Now if we could just mix the PK, UoP and Gaians, that would be perfect...' [Me]
See why I want costumizing so much ? Sigh..." [Roland]
Point taken! =)
-Maya
Commandment number one of any civilized society is this: let people be different.
-- William Douglas
Tigen posted 11-06-98 05:55 PM ET
>>>How about "The Faction of Apathy"
or. . .
"The Faction of the societal norms of Where I grew up, which may be different for everyone"
Well, as far as that goes, I don't think the current factions correspond to "societal norms" of anyone on this forum, so that's not an issue. And does it have to be apathy if you're not a fanatic? Isn't there some sort of more reasonable middle ground?
Arnelos posted 11-06-98 08:02 PM ET
Tigen, even "centrists" and "moderates" have an ideology. Ideology is just the political term for your perspective, or worldview. or "Weltanshauung". The way you look at the world forms your Weltanshauung or worldview. The fact that you may see it differently from everyone else is the basis for ideological differences.
So it is very hard to establish a "normal" ideology, since everyone seems to have different views of the world arround them and how the world works. This view is HEAVILY influenced by the environment where you grew up, thus my comment that any claim to "normalicy" is actually a clinging to "the cultural and ideological norms from where I was born, which may be different for everyone."
In short, 'normal' is not a particular perspective or ideology at all, it is the perspective that YOU have (and believe is normal, which others may find strange or unusual). To bring Einstein into it, all reference points and perspectives are equally valid for the point concerned. So no one has any more claim to "normalcy" than anyone else.
Brother Greg posted 11-11-98 01:49 AM ET
So, a quick rolecall (in no particular order, other than me first )...
Me
RyanR
Roland
AUH20
DHE_X2
Arnelos
Kurn
Maya
Borodino
Dcreeper
There may be a couple of others, but it is hard to tell from the posts. Fred, maybe? 10 members so far. Woops, forgot Maya thinks smilies are evil. =)
Brother Greg Woodstock,
Peacekeeper,
Defender of the Sacred NIM,
Chevalier of the order of Azugal,
Hammer of the Spartans.
RyanR posted 11-11-98 02:20 PM ET
You can check my site about the peacekeepers out here:
http://home.pon.net/res/pks
NOTE: The message board doesn't work yet!
-RyanR
Maya posted 11-11-98 07:51 PM ET
Nice website RyanR.
You really liked that quote didn't you? =)
And watch out for thoses smiley.. when you least expect it they'll turn against you! =)
-Maya
"Do you want me to say something famous and you will write my name under it?"
-- Etienne Danvoye
Roland posted 11-12-98 05:30 AM ET
Oh mighty are the peacekeepers.
"Edel sei der Mensch, hilfreich and gut."
("Man shall be noble, willing to help and good"-Goethe).
And "good" doesn't refer to cannibalism...

Roland posted 11-12-98 11:21 AM ET
Some PK quotes to direct at the other factions:
Hive:
"Man is condemned to be free; because once thrown into the world, he is responsible for everything he does.
(Jean-Paul Sartre)
"When I despair...I remember that all through history, the way of truth and love has always won. There have been murderers and tyrants, and for a time they can seem invincible. But in the end they always fall. Think of it ... always."
(Mahatma Gandhi)
Gaians:
Ehm..nothing really fitting.
Spartans:
"He alone is great and happy who requires neither to command nor to obey in order to secure his being of some importance in the world."
(Johann Wolfgang von Goethe)
Morgan:
"The Morganite is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."
(John Kenneth Galbraith, slightly modified)
Believers (now there would be a lot):
"The conventional view serves to protect us from the painful job of thinking."
(John Kenneth Galbraith)
"Believe those who are seeking the truth; doubt those who find it."
(Andre Gide)
"Heresy is another word for freedom of thought.
(Graham Greene)
""Faith" means not wanting to know what is true."
(Nietzsche)
"This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religions in it."
(John Adams)
UoP:
"Science is a wonderful thing if one does not have to earn one's living at it."
(Albert Einstein)
"A science is any discipline in which the fool of this generation can go beyond the point reached by the genius of the last generation."
(Max Gluckman)
__________________
And: "By using many quotes, you are showing your knowledge and hiding your originality" (unknown, to me).
Ok, I'll reduce the quoting thing...
DJ RRebel posted 11-12-98 11:29 AM ET
BG ??? What am I ??? Chopped liver ???
I intend to play 1/3 of my games as PK ...
I'm sure you won't be playing 100% of your games as PK either !!!
Anyways, I count myself a PK ... seeing as how what faction you choose really is an extension of your mind and thoughts, I find it imposible for people to have one faction decribe them 100% !!!
I'm PK-UoP-Canadian !!!
I still pay my monthly dues to the PK society though !!!
Roland posted 11-12-98 11:51 AM ET
Yes, we may want to try all the factions, and customizing (spelling ? sweat...), but what are you in the depth of your heart ? A canadian member of the peacekeepers, right ?
Brother Greg posted 11-12-98 06:57 PM ET
DJR, I was thinking sheeps intestines actually. lol...
Still, you said you were undecided, in a three way tie, so that doesn't really count. If you dropped UoP, and just had Canadian and PKs, that'd be cool, cos that'd just be a customized faction.
So, until you decide one way or the other, you can't really be a (full) member.
And frankly, I think the PKs come very close to describing me 100%. I'll play some of the others for fun, and something different, but at heart the PKs stand for what I believe in. Peace obviously, and the sharing of knowledge (and thereby helping others).
IMHO, The believers are too sanctimonious, the Spartans too selfish, as are the Morganites, the UoP are too focused on science to the exclusion of all else, the hive is too oppressive, and the Gaians too "holier-than-thou".
I'm sure it won't be that cut and dried in the game, but until then, it's a little harmless fun.
Brother Greg Woodstock,
Peacekeeper,
Defender of the Sacred NIM,
Chevalier of the order of Azugal,
Hammer of the Spartans.
RyanR posted 11-13-98 01:22 AM ET
Thanks everyone! I added Roland's host of new quotes. (:
Hopefully I'll get that message board up soon!
RyanR
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Author	Topic: I'm I the only Peacekeeper?
RyanR	posted 11-03-98 02:08 AM ET Peacekeepers unite! "The most disadvantageous peace is better than the most just war." - Desiderius Erasmus Am I the only one who thinks the new diplomatic functions will be the coolest part of the game? This will be our little United Nations Headquarters thread. NO SPARTANS ALLOWED! RyanR
Roland	posted 11-03-98 08:00 AM ET No, you're not alone. I kept the peace and the... peace won!
DJ RRebel	posted 11-03-98 08:55 AM ET I'm still in a 3 way tie between University, Peace Keepers and the Canadian 8th Faction. Anyone have a 3 sided coin ???
Roland	posted 11-03-98 09:05 AM ET Hmmm... I'd have: Peacekeepers Morgan UoP Canadians Euroland Bavarians Anyone got a dice ?
DJ RRebel	posted 11-03-98 09:22 AM ET Hey ... good list .. but when did the Bavarians come into the picture ??? lol
Roland	posted 11-03-98 09:25 AM ET IIRC it was in the science and technology part, thread "beer of the future" - which one else ?
Tolls	posted 11-03-98 09:47 AM ET Ah...Bavarians, the Beer faction...power through intoxication...
MikeH II	posted 11-03-98 09:49 AM ET I'm a Spartan, we want peace too! We just want peace when we have conquered everyone else.
Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey	posted 11-03-98 10:50 AM ET The only way to fully achieve piece os through war. Up with Spartans!!! Down with Santiago though!! She got caught by Lady Diedre for crying out loud!!!! FREEDOM, LIBERTY & SMAC!!! Your faithful & hell-bent NIMadier general, YYYH
Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey	posted 11-03-98 10:50 AM ET Lay off the typos, Im tired today!
Roland	posted 11-03-98 10:55 AM ET But there is some truth in your typos: by war you will achieve pieces.. of people, buildings, etc... Mike, be honest: most of all you want beer , right ? So join the bavarians... maybe they are a subfaction of EuRoland ? ;-)
Brother Greg	posted 11-04-98 07:20 PM ET Nay indeed brothers, ye are not alone in the fight for freedom! NIM itself is on your side, as am I. =) Brother Greg Woodstock, Peacekeeper, Defender of the Sacred NIM, Chevalier of the order of Azugal, Hammer of the Spartans.
fred	posted 11-04-98 07:50 PM ET hey canadians are peacekeepers! DJ canadians are sienctist too. so that 3 sided coin has only 1 side now.
Kurn	posted 11-04-98 08:15 PM ET CANADIAN FACTION ROCKS!
jsorense	posted 11-04-98 08:21 PM ET Welcome, Brother Greg. Now that Brother Greg has posted, I consider this forum the official refuge for all SMACA sufferers.
Kurn	posted 11-04-98 08:38 PM ET How do we know its really THE greg woodstock?
AUH20	posted 11-04-98 10:00 PM ET Well, I'm pissed at Morgan for killing all those people, so I guess I'm a Peacekeeper now. Or UoP. I dunno. Peacekeeper! Now I'm a member.
DHE_X2	posted 11-04-98 10:05 PM ET PKs kick. Morgans kick, from what I know. Peace my brother, make love not war, arms are for hugging( whoaa, starting to sound like a Gaian... eaaagh!) ~DHE_X2 (you know the rest...)
Brother Greg	posted 11-04-98 10:08 PM ET Kurn: Check the Email address - it's me. =) It was a real bummer - just as I descended from transcendence, the Forums broke. Wonder if they couldn't handle my presence anymore? Oh well, this one seems to be working allright. Brother Greg Woodstock, Peacekeeper, Defender of the Sacred NIM, Chevalier of the order of Azugal, Hammer of the Spartans.
Arnelos	posted 11-05-98 03:05 AM ET Hey! Brother Greg! I believe we should have some of us peacekeepers in the story (since I believe that all the people in the story so far have NOT been PKs :-( ). Personally, you are the PK whose been consistently been posting and supporting the PK cause the longest (remember your "Keepers of Wisdom" post?). I think (perhaps incorrectly) that I was the second loyal PKer to start posting regularly on this site. Most of the people in the "factions" discussion (where I spent the majority of my posting time) were UofP or Spartan, with smattering of the hive and morganites. If I recall correctly, you were the only other person declaring themselves a PK for about 2 months or so before the number of people on this forum exploded in September. Yes, let all Peacekeepers unite RyanR. I have my little UN flag next to my desk right now (really, I really DO have a UN flag next to my computer on my desk). May there be loyal peacekeepers doing great deeds in the story sometime soon!
Kurn	posted 11-05-98 03:40 AM ET PEACEKEEPERS ROCK! WHY? CAUSE THEY DO!
Tigen	posted 11-05-98 07:03 AM ET I used to be a Peacekeeper. But then I thought, well, I don't really want to go around peacemaking and playing Mr. Goody-goody. I'm not these other factions' mother. I just want to sit there in my home and be normal. No religious fanaticism, no capitalistic frenzy, no militaristic fanfare, no pure science, just normalcy, damnit. It may sound boring, but I'm not a fanatic about anything, so why do I have to play a fanatic faction? My faction will be called the Faction That Looks at the Other Bickering Weirdo Factions and Shakes its Collective Head Sadly, Then Ignores Them. Or perhaps, the "Multi-Dimensional People Faction."
Arnelos	posted 11-05-98 08:05 AM ET How about "The Faction of Apathy" or. . . "The Faction of the societal norms of Where I grew up, which may be different for everyone" or. . . "The Faction of Normality" (misnomer) "The Faction of the Reform Party" (laughed at by all other factions for the naive belief that they can have government without politics)
Old_Guy	posted 11-05-98 01:31 PM ET I may not be a fan of the PeaceKeepers, but I may start a new faction called the ZooKeepers. Our goal will be to round up mind worms, other native life forms, and other faction members and put them all in one big zoo for our amusement. Lady Deidre will of course be in my personal petting zoo.
Roland	posted 11-05-98 01:41 PM ET Zooooo station... Ha, you won't get us, the Keepers of BAF (Bavarian-Austrian-Friendship). If you try to catch us, we will say "BAF"! We are the knights who say "BAF" (or "icky icky icky patang", if MikeH (II) joins in).
Maya	posted 11-05-98 01:52 PM ET Hello! I'm with you RyanR! Arnelos, you're not alone, I have a UN flag on my wall too. Now if we could just mix the PK, UoP and Gaians, that would be perfect... -Maya "If war is the failure of diplomacy, then [...] diplomacy, both bilateral and multilateral, is our first line of defence. The world today spends billions preparing for war; shouldn�t we spend a billion or two preparing for peace?" --KOFI ANNAN
Roland	posted 11-05-98 02:12 PM ET "Now if we could just mix the PK, UoP and Gaians, that would be perfect..." See why I want costumizing so much ? Sigh... "Fantasy, abandoned by reason, produces impossible monsters; united with it, she is the mother of the arts and the origin of marvels." (Goya)
Borodino	posted 11-05-98 04:26 PM ET Yet another [long-time] PK reemerges onto the new [but not yet improved] SMAC BB.
Arnelos	posted 11-05-98 07:28 PM ET "See why I want costumizing so much ? Sigh..." -Roland For a moment there, I seriously considered whether you wanted to dress up as wierd looking things on halloween a whole lot. . . Perhaps you mean cUstOmizing, not cOstUmizing. A bit picky, but I found it entertaining.
RyanR	posted 11-05-98 09:16 PM ET Lal is too weak of a character so far in the story. I hope he does something appropriate soon. Maya: That's a good quote. I like it better than the one I had. "If war is the failure of diplomacy, then [...] diplomacy, both bilateral and multilateral, is our first line of defence. The world today spends billions preparing for war; shouldn�t we spend a billion or two preparing for peace?" --KOFI ANNAN This is why the Peacekeepers are so cool!
Brother Greg	posted 11-06-98 12:53 AM ET I like that quote too. Really makes you think, doesn't it? I think NIM must have inspired Brother Kofi. =) Yes Arnelos, I do remember the "Keepers of Wisdom" post, and all the quotes I posted on it. Was rather lonely there for a while. I also remember when they first renamed the "Keepers of Wisdom" to the PEacekeepers". Still think KOW is a cooler name. =( Brother Greg Woodstock, Peacekeeper, Defender of the Sacred NIM, Chevalier of the order of Azugal, Hammer of the Spartans.
Dcreeper	posted 11-06-98 01:22 AM ET Peace has its merits, but when peace fails a general is needed to lead the people to victory, I stand at your side RyanR.
Roland	posted 11-06-98 06:19 AM ET Ehm.. costume...custom... customizing... Yes, I was talking about halloween...ehm.. ok, I really should type slower and read before posting.... "If war breaks out, does that mean peace was a prison ?" (unknown, at least to me)
Maya	posted 11-06-98 02:40 PM ET "'Now if we could just mix the PK, UoP and Gaians, that would be perfect...' [Me] See why I want costumizing so much ? Sigh..." [Roland] Point taken! =) -Maya Commandment number one of any civilized society is this: let people be different. -- William Douglas
Tigen	posted 11-06-98 05:55 PM ET >>>How about "The Faction of Apathy" or. . . "The Faction of the societal norms of Where I grew up, which may be different for everyone" Well, as far as that goes, I don't think the current factions correspond to "societal norms" of anyone on this forum, so that's not an issue. And does it have to be apathy if you're not a fanatic? Isn't there some sort of more reasonable middle ground?
Arnelos	posted 11-06-98 08:02 PM ET Tigen, even "centrists" and "moderates" have an ideology. Ideology is just the political term for your perspective, or worldview. or "Weltanshauung". The way you look at the world forms your Weltanshauung or worldview. The fact that you may see it differently from everyone else is the basis for ideological differences. So it is very hard to establish a "normal" ideology, since everyone seems to have different views of the world arround them and how the world works. This view is HEAVILY influenced by the environment where you grew up, thus my comment that any claim to "normalicy" is actually a clinging to "the cultural and ideological norms from where I was born, which may be different for everyone." In short, 'normal' is not a particular perspective or ideology at all, it is the perspective that YOU have (and believe is normal, which others may find strange or unusual). To bring Einstein into it, all reference points and perspectives are equally valid for the point concerned. So no one has any more claim to "normalcy" than anyone else.
Brother Greg	posted 11-11-98 01:49 AM ET So, a quick rolecall (in no particular order, other than me first )... Me RyanR Roland AUH20 DHE_X2 Arnelos Kurn Maya Borodino Dcreeper There may be a couple of others, but it is hard to tell from the posts. Fred, maybe? 10 members so far. Woops, forgot Maya thinks smilies are evil. =) Brother Greg Woodstock, Peacekeeper, Defender of the Sacred NIM, Chevalier of the order of Azugal, Hammer of the Spartans.
RyanR	posted 11-11-98 02:20 PM ET You can check my site about the peacekeepers out here: http://home.pon.net/res/pks NOTE: The message board doesn't work yet! -RyanR
Maya	posted 11-11-98 07:51 PM ET Nice website RyanR. You really liked that quote didn't you? =) And watch out for thoses smiley.. when you least expect it they'll turn against you! =) -Maya "Do you want me to say something famous and you will write my name under it?" -- Etienne Danvoye
Roland	posted 11-12-98 05:30 AM ET Oh mighty are the peacekeepers. "Edel sei der Mensch, hilfreich and gut." ("Man shall be noble, willing to help and good"-Goethe). And "good" doesn't refer to cannibalism...
Roland	posted 11-12-98 11:21 AM ET Some PK quotes to direct at the other factions: Hive: "Man is condemned to be free; because once thrown into the world, he is responsible for everything he does. (Jean-Paul Sartre) "When I despair...I remember that all through history, the way of truth and love has always won. There have been murderers and tyrants, and for a time they can seem invincible. But in the end they always fall. Think of it ... always." (Mahatma Gandhi) Gaians: Ehm..nothing really fitting. Spartans: "He alone is great and happy who requires neither to command nor to obey in order to secure his being of some importance in the world." (Johann Wolfgang von Goethe) Morgan: "The Morganite is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." (John Kenneth Galbraith, slightly modified) Believers (now there would be a lot): "The conventional view serves to protect us from the painful job of thinking." (John Kenneth Galbraith) "Believe those who are seeking the truth; doubt those who find it." (Andre Gide) "Heresy is another word for freedom of thought. (Graham Greene) ""Faith" means not wanting to know what is true." (Nietzsche) "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religions in it." (John Adams) UoP: "Science is a wonderful thing if one does not have to earn one's living at it." (Albert Einstein) "A science is any discipline in which the fool of this generation can go beyond the point reached by the genius of the last generation." (Max Gluckman) __________________ And: "By using many quotes, you are showing your knowledge and hiding your originality" (unknown, to me). Ok, I'll reduce the quoting thing...
DJ RRebel	posted 11-12-98 11:29 AM ET BG ??? What am I ??? Chopped liver ??? I intend to play 1/3 of my games as PK ... I'm sure you won't be playing 100% of your games as PK either !!! Anyways, I count myself a PK ... seeing as how what faction you choose really is an extension of your mind and thoughts, I find it imposible for people to have one faction decribe them 100% !!! I'm PK-UoP-Canadian !!! I still pay my monthly dues to the PK society though !!!
Roland	posted 11-12-98 11:51 AM ET Yes, we may want to try all the factions, and customizing (spelling ? sweat...), but what are you in the depth of your heart ? A canadian member of the peacekeepers, right ?
Brother Greg	posted 11-12-98 06:57 PM ET DJR, I was thinking sheeps intestines actually. lol... Still, you said you were undecided, in a three way tie, so that doesn't really count. If you dropped UoP, and just had Canadian and PKs, that'd be cool, cos that'd just be a customized faction. So, until you decide one way or the other, you can't really be a (full) member. And frankly, I think the PKs come very close to describing me 100%. I'll play some of the others for fun, and something different, but at heart the PKs stand for what I believe in. Peace obviously, and the sharing of knowledge (and thereby helping others). IMHO, The believers are too sanctimonious, the Spartans too selfish, as are the Morganites, the UoP are too focused on science to the exclusion of all else, the hive is too oppressive, and the Gaians too "holier-than-thou". I'm sure it won't be that cut and dried in the game, but until then, it's a little harmless fun. Brother Greg Woodstock, Peacekeeper, Defender of the Sacred NIM, Chevalier of the order of Azugal, Hammer of the Spartans.
RyanR	posted 11-13-98 01:22 AM ET Thanks everyone! I added Roland's host of new quotes. (: Hopefully I'll get that message board up soon! RyanR