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BKK the Mentat posted 11-02-98 08:24 PM ET
Go for the gold.
AUH20 posted 11-02-98 08:36 PM ET
I canna take much more of this, captain!
Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey posted 11-02-98 08:57 PM ET
Vote John Rowlnad in the Connecticut governor election!!!
FREEDOM, LIBERTY, & SMAC!!!
Your faithful & hell-bent NIMadier general, rebel leader,
YYYH
Mortis2 posted 11-02-98 09:24 PM ET
Oh, it was horrible, horrible!
All the posting gone, the place where I spent the last 6 months gone, all gone! And I even lost my original username, I may never see Mortis again.
Mortis2 posted 11-02-98 09:27 PM ET
BTW, BKK you are doing a bang up job restoring the forums, getting the people to talk again.
Mortis(2),
Prince of Darkness & co-proprioter of Hell (temporarily retired)
Head of the anti-capitalism movement
Chairman and CEO of Mortis Coprps.
Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey posted 11-02-98 09:30 PM ET
Why are you against capitalism again?? Was it because Bill Gates ordered the assasination of your wife?? Was it because toe-to-toe nuclear combat with the Ruskies sounds like fun?? Heh, wouldnt that be ironic, capitalist Russia(well trying atleast) versus communist America.
"Everything for the greater good of me!!"
-Bill Gates
FREEDOM, LIBERTY & SMAC!!!!
Your faithful & hell-bent NIMadier general, rebel leader,
YYYH
BKK the Mentat posted 11-02-98 09:36 PM ET
Looking the horrible reality of the situation in the eye,Russia cannot survive as a torn capitalist state with half the population prefering the old comunist system.
Long live the capitalist fighters!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tapiolan poika posted 11-03-98 08:36 AM ET
Hi, USians, about your election coming up:
How many of you are voting for New Party members?
Is the party known by the public?
If not, check out http://www.newparty.org/
I think they seem like nice guys, but I'm interested in knowing how visible they are.
Roland posted 11-03-98 08:46 AM ET
Close to invisible, I'd guess...
Tapiolan poika posted 11-03-98 08:57 AM ET
Hi Roland,
Have you heard of them?
I found out about them in an article in Utne Reader (a great magazine, gives you a non-standard, serious take on USA, by collecting interesting (originally, interesting according to Carl Utne) material from various small magazines without a large circulation, which are given a new chance by being published in bimonthly thematic collections - recommended! (check out www.utne.com))
Of course, sometimes they focus on new age-stuff, or the like, but I've read issues with focus on what happened to the hippie generation (I found that _very_ interesting), and there was one issue which dealt with the US's third party throughout history - _fascinating_ reading!
Roland posted 11-03-98 08:59 AM ET
I've been following the CNN and CNBC coverage quite closely, but never heard of that party. Also, Perot's reform party seems to be land under. The hype is about rep vs dem... and Clinton's daughter getting into a dispute with Starr's daughter at school...
Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey posted 11-03-98 10:37 AM ET
I didnt think evil could hve daughters? So how was Chelsea born?? Does Kenn Starr's daughter like Starbucks as much as her father?? Did Chelsea & Kenn Starr's daughter get into a 'cat fight'??
FREEDOM, LIBERTY & SMAC!!!
Your faithful & hell-bent NIMadier general,
YYYH
CEO Landon posted 11-03-98 04:33 PM ET
There are several 'third' political parties in the US, but Republican/Democrat covers the great majority. In fact on my ballot today, the only other party represented was Libertarian. The Reform Party (Ross Perot) had some influence in the past two elections, but there is not a significant third influence in this general election.
If anyone is interested in alternative political parties in the US, here are a couple links:
http://mars.acnet.wnec.edu/~dwilliam/elect96.htm
http://www.polisci.com/party.htm
Venom posted 11-03-98 04:38 PM ET
Hey I know the guy running for Senate in North Carolina, he's 6 points ahead in the polls too.
Viva Venom. He, who will soon have influence over the government.
Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey posted 11-03-98 04:53 PM ET
Just in the south though. Remember, your tribe gets everything south of the Mason-Dixon line, & my tribe gets everything above it.
I still have to wait one year to vote
I can still be cheerful though! Rowland for governor of Connecticut!!
FREEDOM, LIBERTY & SMAC!!!
Your faithful & hell-bent NIMadier general,
YYYH
AUH20 posted 11-03-98 07:50 PM ET
Is that Bob Inglis, Venom? Or John Edwards. Damn, I could never keep the Carolinas apart. I like Inglis, but not Edwards. Ellen Sauersby for governor, Maryland!!
AUH20 posted 11-03-98 07:52 PM ET
I'm familiar with the New Party, being the political junkie I am, and IMHO, they're nuts. Hell, all the third parties are nuts but the Libertarian party.
Tom posted 11-03-98 08:02 PM ET
Back to Russia.
You can't say that modern Russia is a horribly-chaotic-almost-anarchistic-half-capitalist-half-communist-nuclear-disaster-to-happen,
because there is one central power in Russia whom Boris&Duma always have to ask for permission before doing anything more important than going to the Bathroom.
That's the MAFIA.
That don't mean that the Russians are very happy with their government, it just means that Russia has a government, that happens to control ca. 20k nuclear warheads.
More than enough to nuke Quebec, WOHOO!!
Tapiolan poika posted 11-04-98 08:31 AM ET
Well, AUH20 (I notice you didn't fix the 0-O problem ), if they're nuts, at least there's some substance inside the shell. In that context, I'd say the right-wing parts of your major parties might be considered kin to nut_shells_.
Hey, you left yourself wide open there. No harm intended. !)
Tapiolan poika posted 11-04-98 08:32 AM ET
Ah hah. The program didn't get that smiley. Shame.
Tapiolan poika posted 11-04-98 08:43 AM ET
In a more serious vein, Goldwater, I think the NP sound like nice guys (I mean, I have to go on what I've read about them, and that seems OK.)
They seem _very_ democratic, and mostly like a grassroots movement - that's nice. They seem to want to work locally. Also, in places where they don't have enough support to win elections, and there's a republican/democrat who seems to approximately want the same things, they put their voting block to work for him/her, which would mean a person who'd like to vote for the NP, but wouldn't, since the vote would normally be futile, can do so anyhow, and feel it has some impact (Let's say a republican wins a school board election because the NP bloc decided to throw in with her. This person would be mindful of the wishes of this voting bloc, don't you think?). A result of this is the possibility of other parties than the two monsters to emerge, increasing democracy in US society... Not a bad thing, IMHO.
Roland posted 11-04-98 08:49 AM ET
Hi, Tap!
I'd just doubt whether this ins't a translation of european style party affiliation to the US. With dems and reos being more platforms than parties in the european sense, this might not work. Is that New Party organised more efficiently ?
Tapiolan poika posted 11-05-98 11:20 AM ET
Roland: No, it's not, or at least I've never heard of this variety...
It works like this: Let's say we have three parties in an election. Basically, it's been _two_ parties for ever, and you're the third runner trying to break in. You don't mind a long term effort. OK?
Knowing you won't get a simple majority of the votes (you're too new, people think you're nice, but since you won't win, they won't waste their vote on you, etc.), you check out the other candidates, and, Hey!, one of them's pretty human (although you don't agree with everything on the platform).
What do you do? I'll tell you: In USA you can (Again! For a while, it was illegal!) publish your platform, and then say "All votes on me will be used to further the cause of mr. Longears/Longnose here, since I won't win the election myself. (Naturally, after discussing the matter with aforementioned animalistic politician (fascinating thing - I'll come back to it!).)
The good thing here is that a lesser evil is voted into office (no splitting of the votes, here), the elected official is aware of the fact that a substantial part of his/her votes come from this third party (which should influence some decisions...), and the voters see they can vote for small parties, and have it count. This last thing means the small parties get a chance to grow!
The European party affiliation (as it works in Sweden) is not as nice. As a voter, you don't know which parties are going to cooperate beforehand, and it tends to weaken the governments/governing bodies, since you don't get just _one_ ruling party, responsible for the whole mandate period. It's possible for the smaller parties to withdraw their support...
Hmm... Of course, in USA, the winning party has to be honourable enough, not to just ignore where the votes came from... But if an elected official behaves nastily, you don't reelect him/her? Or do you?
Roland posted 11-05-98 11:56 AM ET
Seems I misunderstood you, but I still don't get it.
"In USA you can (Again! For a while, it was illegal!) publish your platform, and then say "All votes on me will be used to further the cause of mr. Longears/Longnose here, since I won't win the election myself."
I thought you were talking about a mere recommendation, which would work better with european style party affiliation. Do you mean you can shuffle "your" votes to a certain candidate AFTER the ballot ?
Tapiolan poika posted 11-06-98 09:34 AM ET
Roland: Yup! Well, I think you have to say you're going to in advance. See the beauty of the idea?
Roland posted 11-06-98 09:51 AM ET
Hmmm... I prefer the european coalition-preferences announced by parties before elections... pretty much the same, but influence on the bigger party guaranteed...
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BKK the Mentat	posted 11-02-98 08:24 PM ET Go for the gold.
AUH20	posted 11-02-98 08:36 PM ET I canna take much more of this, captain!
Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey	posted 11-02-98 08:57 PM ET Vote John Rowlnad in the Connecticut governor election!!! FREEDOM, LIBERTY, & SMAC!!! Your faithful & hell-bent NIMadier general, rebel leader, YYYH
Mortis2	posted 11-02-98 09:24 PM ET Oh, it was horrible, horrible! All the posting gone, the place where I spent the last 6 months gone, all gone! And I even lost my original username, I may never see Mortis again.
Mortis2	posted 11-02-98 09:27 PM ET BTW, BKK you are doing a bang up job restoring the forums, getting the people to talk again. Mortis(2), Prince of Darkness & co-proprioter of Hell (temporarily retired) Head of the anti-capitalism movement Chairman and CEO of Mortis Coprps.
Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey	posted 11-02-98 09:30 PM ET Why are you against capitalism again?? Was it because Bill Gates ordered the assasination of your wife?? Was it because toe-to-toe nuclear combat with the Ruskies sounds like fun?? Heh, wouldnt that be ironic, capitalist Russia(well trying atleast) versus communist America. "Everything for the greater good of me!!" -Bill Gates FREEDOM, LIBERTY & SMAC!!!! Your faithful & hell-bent NIMadier general, rebel leader, YYYH
BKK the Mentat	posted 11-02-98 09:36 PM ET Looking the horrible reality of the situation in the eye,Russia cannot survive as a torn capitalist state with half the population prefering the old comunist system. Long live the capitalist fighters!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tapiolan poika	posted 11-03-98 08:36 AM ET Hi, USians, about your election coming up: How many of you are voting for New Party members? Is the party known by the public? If not, check out http://www.newparty.org/ I think they seem like nice guys, but I'm interested in knowing how visible they are.
Roland	posted 11-03-98 08:46 AM ET Close to invisible, I'd guess...
Tapiolan poika	posted 11-03-98 08:57 AM ET Hi Roland, Have you heard of them? I found out about them in an article in Utne Reader (a great magazine, gives you a non-standard, serious take on USA, by collecting interesting (originally, interesting according to Carl Utne) material from various small magazines without a large circulation, which are given a new chance by being published in bimonthly thematic collections - recommended! (check out www.utne.com)) Of course, sometimes they focus on new age-stuff, or the like, but I've read issues with focus on what happened to the hippie generation (I found that _very_ interesting), and there was one issue which dealt with the US's third party throughout history - _fascinating_ reading!
Roland	posted 11-03-98 08:59 AM ET I've been following the CNN and CNBC coverage quite closely, but never heard of that party. Also, Perot's reform party seems to be land under. The hype is about rep vs dem... and Clinton's daughter getting into a dispute with Starr's daughter at school...
Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey	posted 11-03-98 10:37 AM ET I didnt think evil could hve daughters? So how was Chelsea born?? Does Kenn Starr's daughter like Starbucks as much as her father?? Did Chelsea & Kenn Starr's daughter get into a 'cat fight'?? FREEDOM, LIBERTY & SMAC!!! Your faithful & hell-bent NIMadier general, YYYH
CEO Landon	posted 11-03-98 04:33 PM ET There are several 'third' political parties in the US, but Republican/Democrat covers the great majority. In fact on my ballot today, the only other party represented was Libertarian. The Reform Party (Ross Perot) had some influence in the past two elections, but there is not a significant third influence in this general election. If anyone is interested in alternative political parties in the US, here are a couple links: http://mars.acnet.wnec.edu/~dwilliam/elect96.htm http://www.polisci.com/party.htm
Venom	posted 11-03-98 04:38 PM ET Hey I know the guy running for Senate in North Carolina, he's 6 points ahead in the polls too. Viva Venom. He, who will soon have influence over the government.
Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey	posted 11-03-98 04:53 PM ET Just in the south though. Remember, your tribe gets everything south of the Mason-Dixon line, & my tribe gets everything above it. I still have to wait one year to vote I can still be cheerful though! Rowland for governor of Connecticut!! FREEDOM, LIBERTY & SMAC!!! Your faithful & hell-bent NIMadier general, YYYH
AUH20	posted 11-03-98 07:50 PM ET Is that Bob Inglis, Venom? Or John Edwards. Damn, I could never keep the Carolinas apart. I like Inglis, but not Edwards. Ellen Sauersby for governor, Maryland!!
AUH20	posted 11-03-98 07:52 PM ET I'm familiar with the New Party, being the political junkie I am, and IMHO, they're nuts. Hell, all the third parties are nuts but the Libertarian party.
Tom	posted 11-03-98 08:02 PM ET Back to Russia. You can't say that modern Russia is a horribly-chaotic-almost-anarchistic-half-capitalist-half-communist-nuclear-disaster-to-happen, because there is one central power in Russia whom Boris&Duma always have to ask for permission before doing anything more important than going to the Bathroom. That's the MAFIA. That don't mean that the Russians are very happy with their government, it just means that Russia has a government, that happens to control ca. 20k nuclear warheads. More than enough to nuke Quebec, WOHOO!!
Tapiolan poika	posted 11-04-98 08:31 AM ET Well, AUH20 (I notice you didn't fix the 0-O problem ), if they're nuts, at least there's some substance inside the shell. In that context, I'd say the right-wing parts of your major parties might be considered kin to nut_shells_. Hey, you left yourself wide open there. No harm intended. !)
Tapiolan poika	posted 11-04-98 08:32 AM ET Ah hah. The program didn't get that smiley. Shame.
Tapiolan poika	posted 11-04-98 08:43 AM ET In a more serious vein, Goldwater, I think the NP sound like nice guys (I mean, I have to go on what I've read about them, and that seems OK.) They seem _very_ democratic, and mostly like a grassroots movement - that's nice. They seem to want to work locally. Also, in places where they don't have enough support to win elections, and there's a republican/democrat who seems to approximately want the same things, they put their voting block to work for him/her, which would mean a person who'd like to vote for the NP, but wouldn't, since the vote would normally be futile, can do so anyhow, and feel it has some impact (Let's say a republican wins a school board election because the NP bloc decided to throw in with her. This person would be mindful of the wishes of this voting bloc, don't you think?). A result of this is the possibility of other parties than the two monsters to emerge, increasing democracy in US society... Not a bad thing, IMHO.
Roland	posted 11-04-98 08:49 AM ET Hi, Tap! I'd just doubt whether this ins't a translation of european style party affiliation to the US. With dems and reos being more platforms than parties in the european sense, this might not work. Is that New Party organised more efficiently ?
Tapiolan poika	posted 11-05-98 11:20 AM ET Roland: No, it's not, or at least I've never heard of this variety... It works like this: Let's say we have three parties in an election. Basically, it's been _two_ parties for ever, and you're the third runner trying to break in. You don't mind a long term effort. OK? Knowing you won't get a simple majority of the votes (you're too new, people think you're nice, but since you won't win, they won't waste their vote on you, etc.), you check out the other candidates, and, Hey!, one of them's pretty human (although you don't agree with everything on the platform). What do you do? I'll tell you: In USA you can (Again! For a while, it was illegal!) publish your platform, and then say "All votes on me will be used to further the cause of mr. Longears/Longnose here, since I won't win the election myself. (Naturally, after discussing the matter with aforementioned animalistic politician (fascinating thing - I'll come back to it!).) The good thing here is that a lesser evil is voted into office (no splitting of the votes, here), the elected official is aware of the fact that a substantial part of his/her votes come from this third party (which should influence some decisions...), and the voters see they can vote for small parties, and have it count. This last thing means the small parties get a chance to grow! The European party affiliation (as it works in Sweden) is not as nice. As a voter, you don't know which parties are going to cooperate beforehand, and it tends to weaken the governments/governing bodies, since you don't get just _one_ ruling party, responsible for the whole mandate period. It's possible for the smaller parties to withdraw their support... Hmm... Of course, in USA, the winning party has to be honourable enough, not to just ignore where the votes came from... But if an elected official behaves nastily, you don't reelect him/her? Or do you?
Roland	posted 11-05-98 11:56 AM ET Seems I misunderstood you, but I still don't get it. "In USA you can (Again! For a while, it was illegal!) publish your platform, and then say "All votes on me will be used to further the cause of mr. Longears/Longnose here, since I won't win the election myself." I thought you were talking about a mere recommendation, which would work better with european style party affiliation. Do you mean you can shuffle "your" votes to a certain candidate AFTER the ballot ?
Tapiolan poika	posted 11-06-98 09:34 AM ET Roland: Yup! Well, I think you have to say you're going to in advance. See the beauty of the idea?
Roland	posted 11-06-98 09:51 AM ET Hmmm... I prefer the european coalition-preferences announced by parties before elections... pretty much the same, but influence on the bigger party guaranteed...